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Old 10-06-2017, 11:54 PM
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Lets see, I have the IR spotlight, the Red Lazer to converge at 5 yards and a Green Lazer set at 15 yards. A seven LED lamp under the barrel and four decoy lamps on 15 to 20 foot arms. I have an IBM 7700.desktop computer configured as my fire control (it is attached to the furniture dolly though. IFF is controlled by a Bendix 1900 3 phase flat array active/passive radar system. It recieves input on wind speed, ambient temperature, relative humidity and barometric pressure at 1, 2 and 4 meters above ground level from a Kestrel 564 metereological telometer. In order to function correctly it hangs from three helium filled baloons. Radar frequency jammer, strobe light, chaff and bananna oil dispenser are attached to tbe fourteen accessory rails. An Avco 350 RF device and six 190 servos (one to rack the slide, two to change magazines, one to clear jams and two for automatic up-down /left right control input from the IBM complete the setup.
It is a $37,000, 1600 pound KelTek PF-9, but it is so automatic I dont have to be home for it to function.
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Old 10-08-2017, 02:31 PM
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Smith & Wesson thought enough of Laser Sights and weapon mounted lights so as to BUY CrimsonTrace and before that has S&W logo CrimsonTrace grips commissioned for sale.

Weapon Mounted lights and lasers are the future and if included in a structured and well thought out training regimen are superior to NOT having them.

I am willing to be the anti-gun crowd will try to ban them.

That is more than enough endorsement for me to say they have a place.

I only have one laser on a J-Frame but it makes the gun 5x more shootable unless you practice a lot which tends to hurt my hands.
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Smith & Wesson thought enough of Laser Sights and weapon mounted lights so as to BUY CrimsonTrace and before that has S&W logo CrimsonTrace grips commissioned for sale.
I don't think the fact that S&W bought Crimson Trace means anything other than they thought the investment would increase their profits/market share.
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Never had a laser and didn’t like weapon mounted light on a handgun. I prefer a flashlight in a hand. My duty gun has nothing on the rail and I keep 3 flashlights (one traffic stop light, a search light and back up Incase one gets dropped in a fight or chase)

At home we have lights on throughout the house that keep a red light throughout the house. Not a tactical thing. My wife likes Himalayan salt lamps. I don’t mind them cause I can wake up to take a leak and not have overbearing white light coming in. Also nice when I get off night shift I don’t have to turn on any lights. Easy to sleep with (not on in the bedroom) but the ambient lighting from them allows me to see in the bedroom well enough. I do keep an old Inova flashlight by the bedside with the two guns when I come home (duty and BUG go on nightstand)
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only time my laser is on one of my pistols is when I practice trigger control dry firing .. same with my flash light .. not attached ..

Why ..

You'll light yourself up as soon as you turn them on giving your position away to anyone in direct view of your person ..

if the light is attached you will point your pistol at everything you sweep the light at ..
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Some interesting points. I'm surprised by the too much light comments. Short of 1000s of lumens light is a good thing. Yes gunsmoke makes it foggy, yes light reflects, but who is getting into high round count indoor battles? Pat rogers said after testing and running night classes that there's almost no such thing as too much light.

As always one has to try it and train w it before you'll know. And it's easy to add options like light/laser/ red dot, but they all add some degree of complexity. Remember that time to action is inversely proportional to number of options in most cases. 'tis hard enough to stay proficient so I think hard about anything which will add complexity.

Personally I like a light, both wml and handheld, as they do totally different jobs in my mind. But if there's a bump in the night at my home I have no need of a handheld. Anything thing I need to look at can be seen in the light spill from a wml, then have the gun pointed at it as needed.

The only lasers that make any sense to me are the crimsontrace type that don't require seperate activation, for the typical civilian.

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Old 10-11-2017, 06:05 PM
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I have owned more handguns over the years that I can even remember and never had any device added to them, never had an occasion to need one either. Recently bought a 38 Bodyguard with a lazer, jury is still out on whether or not I will ever use it other than to use it at the range to get used to how it works. In a home invasion scenario in the middle of the night I really doubt I would have the time to initiate it.
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What is there to initiate? I just pick mine up and the laser is on by my grip. Nothing to think about, itís like a reflex. Lasers are an advantage in almost every scenario, and if you practice with them you will see their benefits.
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The Crimson Trace laser gives my .44 close range quick target acquisition and makes up for the loss of iron sights, lost when I installed the FastFire.

The red dot provided by the FastFire is for longer shots and works quite well as an aiming aid.

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The Bodyguard I just bought has the Insight laser, you have to use your left hand to manually push the button on the right side of the gun, it's not grip activated.
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My nightstand gun has a weapon light. The other two I use mainly for home defense have night sights, one a truglo pro and the other a big dot.

I've had some low light training and I find the night sights to be valuable. Weapon light comes in real handy if I am outside at night looking for 4 legged creatures unwelcome on my property.

A feral cat in particular did not like my weapon light nor the gun it was attached to one night a few months ago...

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What is there to initiate? I just pick mine up and the laser is on by my grip. Nothing to think about, itís like a reflex. Lasers are an advantage in almost every scenario, and if you practice with them you will see their benefits.
As you groggilly awake, try to focus and activate the grip lazer, Mr. Homeinvader is aiming at the source of that red light. If its foggy there is a nice line leading right back to you...
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As you groggilly awake, try to focus and activate the grip lazer, Mr. Homeinvader is aiming at the source of that red light. If its foggy there is a nice line leading right back to you...
Doesn't make much sense. The motion cameras around the perimeter of my yard will activate my alarm, and my dog will be out of bed before I am. There is no fog in my house, or outside for that matter, and my laser is green....
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I just recently started considering a WML, for my "nightstand" gun.

This thread has muddied the waters considerably for me. That said, it's been a great discussion.

My assessments of potential threats range from a toddler crawling through our dog door (most likely) to a full blown assault by determined home invaders ( least plausible).

We do have motion sensor lights, so I'm thinking I may not need a WML...
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