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Old 02-28-2018, 11:48 PM
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I travel out of state to visit relatives, and hope that reciprocity from their home states regarding the permits I have will protect me. When Ohio finally decided to honor Pa. Licenses to Carry Firearms, I wanted to find out how my License would be recognized.

I was at a gun show in Ohio and there was a booth for an Ohio firearms association. I asked them how a PA License to Carry would be treated. The people there really didn't know and suggested talking with the State Trooper who was there. So I asked him what would happen if I was pulled over in Ohio and found to be carrying a concealed firearm while holding a license from another state. He said that the license would be checked to see if it was issued by a reciprocating state. So then I asked, "Is that a 5 minute or a 5 hour process?" He then proceeded to give me a boatload of attitude that I shouldn't carry a loaded gun in a vehicle and should carry the gun and ammunition separate. I thought I asked a legitimate question to see if I got stopped in Ohio whether I would soon be on my way or spending a night in jail.

So my question to all is have you ever been pulled over while carrying concealed using a permit issued by a state different from the one you were pulled over in? How were you treated? What was the end result from the stop? Thank you for your time.

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No but as a PA resident I thought our carry permits were recognized in Ohio during our visit. When I recently renewed my permit I was given a paper showing all the current reciprocity agreements. I can scan it and email it to you if you'd like
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It should be treated the same as an Ohio permit. The LEO answered your question.
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I know most states recognize each other’s carry permits but you have to read that states laws to be sure of them. I know in certain states you don’t need a permit to open carry but you need one to conceal. Every state is different
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I am a North Carolina resident with NC CCW permit. I have been pulled over in West Virginia, Virginia, and Pennsylvania and many times in North Carolina and never, not once, been given a hard time by any law enforcement agency.

One funny story...We travel from NC to southwestern PA several times a year to visit family. They live way out in the country and we occasionally pack up a few extra guns for target practice outside. I live in suburban Charlotte, so we welcome the opportunity to shoot outside on a nice day. Well, an Oak Hill, WV (famous speed trap)police officer pulled us over in northbound 19 and I told him that we (my wife too) have CCW permits and I'm carry, she's carrying, and we have another one under this seat, and there's another one over there, and in the trunk we have a Colt AR-15, and a a bunch of other assorted handguns, and....on and on and on. He stopped me and said, "Well, it sounds like you've got things covered." May have been the only time an Oak Hill officer let somebody go without one of those sketchy city tickets.

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I am a North Carolina resident with NC CCW permit. I have been pulled over in West Virginia, Virginia, and Pennsylvania and many times in North Carolina and never, not once, been given a hard time by any law enforcement agency.

One funny story...We travel from NC to southwestern PA several times a year to visit family. They live way out in the country and we occasionally pack up a few extra guns for target practice outside. I live in suburban Charlotte, so we welcome the opportunity to shoot outside on a nice day. Well, an Oak Hill, WV (famous speed trap)police officer pulled us over in northbound 19 and I told him that we (my wife too) have CCW permits and I'm carry, she's carrying, and we have another one under this seat, and there's another one over there, and in the trunk we have a Colt AR-15, and a a bunch of other assorted handguns, and....on and on and on. He stopped me and said, "Well, it sounds like you've got things covered." May have been the only time an Oak Hill officer let somebody go without one of those sketchy city tickets.
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I believe your state agency that issues your permit will have a chart with reciprocating states. Check that on-line. Reciprocal agreements are actually documented and recorded, I believe.

To get the best answer, check the website of the issuing agency in the state to which you are traveling.

This is rather critical legal advice specific to each state. Trying to get answers about others’ experiences and opinions about carrying elsewhere may be interesting, but it is legally useless.
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I was at a state police barracks in California one time. No problem as I was waiting for my wife to finish up some legal video work. A guy came in from Arizona and asked what the requirements were to bring his firearms from Arizona to California as he was relocating there. The troopers were clueless and I had to explain the regulations to him!
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To be fair, asking him if it's a five minute or five hour process has a sort've snarky ring to it.
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I've lived in Ohio for all 62 years of my life. The 5 minute vs 5 hour Question is a legitimate question. If pulled over by the OHP, or any of the large city PD's, the whole CCW thing, if otherwise legal, is a non-issue! But there are a few Small town/speed traps, that will hold you long enough for you tags to expire or until they get you to get mad. Entertainment is hard to come by in the sticks!

Columbus writes almost $1.5 million in tickets and court fines a day, they don't have time to waste making stuff up! In the 70's we had a 5 day stretch of Blue Flu, and almost no tickets were written during a contract dispute (safety was never compromised), the lack of income almost bankrupted the city!

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I travel out of state to visit relatives, and hope that reciprocity from their home states regarding the permits I have will protect me. When Ohio finally decided to honor Pa. Licenses to Carry Firearms, I wanted to find out how my License would be recognized.

I was at a gun show in Ohio and there was a booth for an Ohio firearms association. I asked them how a PA License to Carry would be treated. The people there really didn't know and suggested talking with the State Trooper who was there. So I asked him what would happen if I was pulled over in Ohio and found to be carrying a concealed firearm while holding a license from another state. He said that the license would be checked to see if it was issued by a reciprocating state.

So then I asked, "Is that a 5 minute or a 5 hour process?"

He then proceeded to give me a boatload of attitude that I shouldn't carry a loaded gun in a vehicle and should carry the gun and ammunition separate. I thought I asked a legitimate question to see if I got stopped in Ohio whether I would soon be on my way or spending a night in jail.

So my question to all is have you ever been pulled over while carrying concealed using a permit issued by a state different from the one you were pulled over in? How were you treated? What was the end result from the stop? Thank you for your time.

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You could have asked the question a different way. “Thanks, troooer. How long would it take for the check to be conducted”. Would have been better.

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We were stopped while carrying at a police roadblock checkpoint on the NC Cherokee reservation. They showed no interest that hubby was carrying, just that he was sober with a drivers license. Took less than a minute.
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I’m sorry that trooper gave you attitude when you asked a follow up Q. Even if you sounded snarky he should not have done that.
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Another thing you might want to find out before you travel though different states is if you have an obligation to disclose you are armed. Here in NC you must disclose to the officer upon contact that you are armed. Some states I understand you have no duty to disclose.

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The latest law in Ohio says we accept all other States CCW Permits. When I renewed my Ohio Permit in mid January I switched from the previous County. The Sheriff said my old Permit/License would be pulled from the system during the proses since I switched Counties. I told her I also have a Florida License. She said that was good to carry on until I got my Ohio License back.
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I am a North Carolina resident with NC CCW permit. I have been pulled over in West Virginia, Virginia, and Pennsylvania and many times in North Carolina and never, not once, been given a hard time by any law enforcement agency.

One funny story...We travel from NC to southwestern PA several times a year to visit family. They live way out in the country and we occasionally pack up a few extra guns for target practice outside. I live in suburban Charlotte, so we welcome the opportunity to shoot outside on a nice day. Well, an Oak Hill, WV (famous speed trap)police officer pulled us over in northbound 19 and I told him that we (my wife too) have CCW permits and I'm carry, she's carrying, and we have another one under this seat, and there's another one over there, and in the trunk we have a Colt AR-15, and a a bunch of other assorted handguns, and....on and on and on. He stopped me and said, "Well, it sounds like you've got things covered." May have been the only time an Oak Hill officer let somebody go without one of those sketchy city tickets.
You sure get pulled over a lot... and I was in Oak Hill yesterday and came through unscathed. Generally, if you do nothing to call attention to yourself, you don’t have to justify anything.
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Last year I made three round-trips from my home in SC to Maine to work on my brother-in-law's vacation home, a total of 6600 road miles in 10 states. Some of those states have reciprocal agreements with SC; in those states, I familiarized my self with what their laws say about encounters with police while armed, just in case. In the states where my license was no good, the gun was put in a small locked case and stowed in luggage in the trunk of my car.

But my main defense against encountering any sort of problem with police was -- I avoided getting stopped. I learned long ago that it takes 18 hours to make the drive whether I keep to the speed limit or push it, so while I avoid delays wherever possible I basically strive to conduct myself as the safest, most low-profile driver on the road. So far, so good!
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You sure get pulled over a lot... and I was in Oak Hill yesterday and came through unscathed. Generally, if you do nothing to call attention to yourself, you don’t have to justify anything.


Well, I fail miserably in that department. I drive a lot for work and often in something like a Corvette with a "hello officer" license plate. So, there's that.

I used to get pulled a lot...so put that on there as a friendly greeting, an ice breaker.



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Another thing you might want to find out before you travel though different states is if you have an obligation to disclose you are armed. Here in NC you must disclose to the officer upon contact that you are armed. Some states I understand you have no duty to disclose.
Ohio requires disclosure immediately too. There is a video about what happened to a citizen in Canton, Ohio when he tried to inform the officer who stopped him but that's a story for another thread.
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I have a file folder with a printout of any state I might travel through. Handgunlaw.us does an excellent job of presenting each state. This folder stays in my car at all times.

After printing it out I highlight the differences each of those states has verses what Montana law is.

"Must inform" is highlighted so that I know for a fact what each state mandates. I also highlight each states reciprocity list of states honoring my Montana permit.
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Your states Attorney General website has a Reciprocity segment on the front page of their website. Very clear information but more importantly, it is authoritative so you can depend on it. Check the link above and then see Firearm Reciprocity Agreements.
Ohio is not a reciprocity state but it is listed as a state that recognizes Penn.
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The website is actually: handgunlaw.us. However Randy is correct about their excellent & up-to-date coverage of state handgun laws and reciprocity. Don't go on an out of state road trip with a handgun without checking here first. It is the top, best source for this info & it is done by a member of this forum.
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He gave you your answer. An officer is only allowed to detain you for a “reasonable” amount of time to conduct his investigation into the original offense and to check the status of your permit. If they lack a “reasonable suspicion” that crime is afoot and if the investigation can’t be done in a “reasonable” time, they have to cut you lose.
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I'm a resident of Colorado and due to the nature of my job, I travel often by car. I was pulled over by New Mexico State Trooper near Clayton (doing 80 in a 60 mph zone... was in the middle of nowhere).

Was interesting, as he approached my window, he was quite stern... bordering on unpleasant. I handed him my ID and CCW Permit and told him what I was handing him. After he looked at it, he all of a sudden was Officer Friendly. We shared a pleasant conversation about the economy, weather and such. He sent me on my way with a warning and encouragement to slow down.

I confess I was nervous initially.

I have noticed, that since my state legalized pot, I feel like I get a little more attention from out of state LE. Can't blame them for that.
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Well, I fail miserably in that department. I drive a lot for work and often in something like a Corvette with a "hello officer" license plate. So, there's that.

I used to get pulled a lot...so put that on there as a friendly greeting, an ice breaker.



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I was at a state police barracks in California one time. No problem as I was waiting for my wife to finish up some legal video work. A guy came in from Arizona and asked what the requirements were to bring his firearms from Arizona to California as he was relocating there. The troopers were clueless and I had to explain the regulations to him!
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That's because guns are illegal in the People's Rebublik of Kalifornia. Just look at their crime rate; it speaks volumes....

No but seriously re the first question; check whatever state you intend to travel too State Police, Highway Patrol, State Patrol website. Most states in the union have the aforementioned agencies handle the state CCW permits. Better safe than sorry.

AZ DPS/Highway Patrol has a page on their www that has a chart of which state's play nice, and which do not.

Sorry the PSP Tpr. wasn't too pleasant. Here in AZ we have a whole different view of carrying by good guys/gals. Some copper's have a very clouded view of citizens carrying firearms, especially back east. NJ is probably the worst! They were trying to charge officers not from NJ with CCW violations AFTER the LEOSA act was made federal law! So yea, even the cops weren't safe in NJ. A lot of NY cops live in NJ....how's that supposed to work??
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About ten years ago I decided to qualify for LEOSA b/c we were going to NY City for our 40th anniversary. I’ve kept it up ever since and travel w/o too much concern, w/the exception of NJ. When I go there all my ammo gets switched to FMJ, but it makes me wonder why the elected leadership in NJ would want their citizens in more jeopardy from overpenetration from FMJ rounds. Ignorance abounds!
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I have a cousin that got pulled over for speeding in WA on the interstate. She is from OR and has a OR carry permit. She handed the city officer her OR license and carry permit. He asked if she was carrying and she said yes. He asked where it was, and as she said and pointed to the center console, he tried to take her out the window by her hair. It got ugly from there and she ended up face down on the side of the interstate with a knee in her back. They towed her car, kept her revolver, and let her spend a night in the jail before bailing out. Charged with carrying a concealed weapon. It cost her a bundle to bail herself and her car out, and made the trip home another 9 hours. At the time she was in her early 20's and of course strapped for cash, so her dad got involved. His lawyer took it on as a favor and got the charge dismissed and a written apology from the officer. The only problem was now her revolver was 9 hours away and they could not legally ship it to her. They ended up shipping it to her FFL and paying for the shipping and transfer fee and BG check.

I have my OR permit and travel WA frequently, so I stepped up and got my WA permit. Just the idea of a knee in my back was enough of a boost to get me to bend over a pay for their carry fee.

Wouldn't it be nice if once your prints were on record in one state, all the others could believe your home state.
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I have my OR permit and travel WA frequently, so I stepped up and got my WA permit. Just the idea of a knee in my back was enough of a boost to get me to bend over a pay for their carry fee.[/QUOTE]

Trying to avoid a situation like this is why I try to get carry permits for where I travel a lot rather than depend on trying to explain the concept of reciprocity by the side of the road at night.
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So my question to all is have you ever been pulled over while carrying concealed using a permit issued by a state different from the one you were pulled over in? How were you treated? What was the end result from the stop? Thank you for your time.
I live in Indiana with a License to Carry Handgun. I was in New Buffalo, Michigan out on the jetty and I saw someone in blue walking in my direction. Sure enough it was a city police officer. He seemed nice then abruptly asked me in I had an LTC. Part of my magazine holster must have been showing as it was quite windy. I showed him it and my Driver's License and he handed back and then left.
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Another thing you might want to find out before you travel though different states is if you have an obligation to disclose you are armed. Here in NC you must disclose to the officer upon contact that you are armed. Some states I understand you have no duty to disclose.
Even if you have no legal duty to disclose you are armed when stopped, ALWAYS, ALWAY, ALWAYS do so! If you don't, and the officer sees a firearm, lots of things happen very quickly, and none of them are good!

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I check the laws on "Duty to Inform" for states I'm traveling through. If there is none, I don't.

I don't see any advantage to making a traffic stop more complicated than it needs to be.

Ohio does, as does Texas. Other states don't.
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I am a North Carolina resident with NC CCW permit. I have been pulled over in West Virginia, Virginia, and Pennsylvania and many times in North Carolina and never, not once, been given a hard time by any law enforcement agency.
Careful if traveling to Virginia. Since 2016 they no longer hold reciprocity with permits from North Carolina. They dropped 25 states and ours was included.
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He gave you your answer. An officer is only allowed to detain you for a “reasonable” amount of time to conduct his investigation into the original offense and to check the status of your permit. If they lack a “reasonable suspicion” that crime is afoot and if the investigation can’t be done in a “reasonable” time, they have to cut you lose.
CH4 (or methane?), what is a typical reasonable time? I've often wondered how long they can detain someone...
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That's no longer correct. They now recognize ever other state's permits. The legislature passed a veto proof bill. That went into effect on 7/1/2016.

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That's no longer correct. They now recognize ever other state's permits. The legislature passed a veto proof bill. That went into effect on 7/1/2016.
Thanks I did not know that. These laws keep changing all the time and I can hardly keep up.
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Actually it appears another cop didn't know the answer to a legitimate question.
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"Traveler's Guide to the Firearm Laws of the Fifty States".
By J. Scott Kappas. NRA store.
The phone app "CCW".
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You're welcome. You are right in that it's not easy. Fortunately, for the most part the laws are changing in the right direction.

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There are a couple apps for cell phones/Android that will assist in whether you need to "inform" of carrying and multi state recognition of permits.

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Even if you have no legal duty to disclose your are armed when stopped, ALWAYS, ALWAY, ALWAYS do so! If you don't, and the officer sees a firearm, lots of things happen very quickly, and none of them are good!
Obey the LAW.

If the LAW REQUIRES you to notify, do so.

If it does not, there's no reason to, apart from imminent exposure.

Ohio requires notification, IF AND ONLY IF one is ARMED. Needless to say, some cop push the envelope and demand notification when you are NOT armed.

EVERYBODY should obey the law.
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I like "Legal Heat" but am going to look at the one you posted about.

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You rock! That is absolutely the coolest personalized plate I have seen. Have ‘vanity’ plates on all my whips...including the motorcycle...but wish I was as creative as you.

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I used to get pulled a lot...so put that on there as a friendly greeting, an ice breaker.



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After I retire from the power plant I want to travel around and see how many carry permits I can get. This gives me a good excuse to hit the range and get some extra training.
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I was traveling from Oklahoma thru Texas on the way home to New Mexico. I had just crossed into Texas and was 3 MPH over the posted speed limit. A Texas DPS officer, turned out he was a Corporal FTO, stopped me. Before he even asked for my license etc. his first words were, "Sir do you have any weapons in the vehicle?" I answered "Yes officer I do." OK where are they? I have a locked and loaded 1911 on my right hip and multiple long guns and carbines in the back.
THAT got his attention! Oh BTW Officer I have about 2,000 rounds for each of those weapons! Not the brightest remark at the time. He never missed a beat, hand never went to his weapon he only asked "Why do you have all those guns and ammo."
Simple explanation officer I've just completed a week long tactical long range rifle/carbine class in Oklahoma. Of course the handgun is part of the class as well.
Now he asks for my licenses, registration and insurance - he got my NM carry permit at the same time!
Sir Texas has a no tolerance ordinance for speeding, slow down and have a good day! Thank You Officer be safe and WY6.
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Obey the LAW.

If the LAW REQUIRES you to notify, do so.

If it does not, there's no reason to, apart from imminent exposure.

Ohio requires notification, IF AND ONLY IF one is ARMED. Needless to say, some cop push the envelope and demand notification when you are NOT armed.

EVERYBODY should obey the law.
Put "Canton Ohio cop threatens" into Google and see how the cop verbally abuses and threatens the citizen who is attempting to give notice to the cop as required in Ohio. Use that as a guide to whether you want to give notice about carrying concealed when you are not required to or not being ordered out of your vehicle.
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Put "Canton Ohio cop threatens" into Google and see how the cop verbally abuses and threatens the citizen who is attempting to give notice to the cop as required in Ohio. Use that as a guide to whether you want to give notice about carrying concealed when you are not required to or not being ordered out of your vehicle.
Remember, I live in Ohio. I'm well aware of that despicable farce.

The victim in that case was threatened for TRYING to OBEY the law.

I obey the LAW, nothing more, nothing less.
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