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Old 03-11-2018, 09:37 AM
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No concealed carry in my jurisdiction so this is only hypothetical

However, if you were charged with, or took it upon yourself, to carry for the protection of your place of worship, would it be responsible to carry your favorite revolver, or would it be better to carry a comparable size autoloader with a spare magazine.

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Since shooting incidents usually seem to involve a single perpetrator, rather than a pack of them, I think I'd be okay with a revolver. Even a 5-shot one.
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You carry whatever you can shoot accurately. Stopping the threat is the goal.
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No concealed carry in my jurisdiction so this is only hypothetical

However, if you were charged with, or took it upon yourself, to carry for the protection of your place of worship, would it be responsible to carry your favorite revolver, or would it be better to carry a comparable size autoloader with a spare magazine.

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Not entirely related, but...

Some 10 years ago, in a day I was training, I walked from the 25/50 meters range to the half a mile distant IPSC practicing range. Since there were reports of feral pack dog attacks in the area, I took with me my .44 40 gunbelt and SAA. When I arrived there, there 2 folks with Glocks shooting at metal plates(4 inch) at about 15 yards, with them was the Commando lieutenant(at the time, I think he is a Major now) I was looking for. I saw them(in disbelief) empty 18 round mags to hit 6 plates. After they were done I asked if I could have a go at it. With some smugg faces they said it was OK and went to set the plates for me.

I loaded the 6th chamber (empty at the time) and holsterd, asked them for the beep, and after that draw(one handed) and shot all the six plates down (with some authority I might add) after that kicked the empties out reloaded another 5 and reholstered. The LT almost choked laughing.

So I guess a revolver is fine.

Edit. After that I did the same thing with one of their Glocks, only put six rounds on the magazine.

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Old 03-11-2018, 10:30 AM
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You carry whatever you can shoot accurately. Stopping the threat is the goal.
Bingo! That is the correct answer.
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Not sure if you are asking a what gun is best question, or a legal/moral one. I find your choice of the words, "took it upon yourself" & "to protect others" interesting. NOT JUDGING, but taking it upon yourself, in an area that does not allow CC, sounds risky if not illegal, & protecting others would be the job of LEOS. SELF defense is just that. If you want to be part of a church security detail, I'd recommend getting a permit, or some type of permission. For the gun, for your defense, whatever you are better with. For protecting the flock against a mass shooting, a higher capacity weapon.
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No concealed carry in my jurisdiction so this is only hypothetical

However, if you were charged with, or took it upon yourself, to carry for the protection of your place of worship, would it be responsible to carry your favorite revolver, or would it be better to carry a comparable size autoloader with a spare magazine.

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I would strongly advise you to first become very intimately familiar with your state/local firearm laws. A responsible law abiding gun owner should already know the answer to this question.
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No concealed carry in my jurisdiction so this is only hypothetical

However, if you were charged with, or took it upon yourself, to carry for the protection of your place of worship, would it be responsible to carry your favorite revolver, or would it be better to carry a comparable size autoloader with a spare magazine.
This is nothing but the same old question as to which is better, a revolver or semi-auto.

And the question will never be answered to everyone's satisfaction.
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Old 03-11-2018, 04:17 PM
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It's irresponsible to carry a gun you aren't completely confident with...we can "what-if" all day long and still not get the right answer.
Revolvers have been used "responsibly in the defense of others" for a rather long time!
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Read Kurusu's post (#4). Is it irresponsible to carry a Glock to protect others?
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Old 03-11-2018, 07:14 PM
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If I had a serious security job (even as a member of a congregation) I would get the best thing for picking out a target across a crowded room. I think a red dot sight or maybe a laser would be essential unless you are Dick Deadeye, unless there is something more capable that I don't know about.

I could hide all kinds of things under my choir robe, and I had a good vantage point, too.

Actually something in disguised scabbard would be best for me, not something I'd carry on my person. I saw a 9mm carbine I can't remember the name of right now, but it would work handily.

PS I looked it up and it is Steyr AUG. Something even smaller that I could use well would be my Kel Tec 9 or similar. It's not a 'real' SD quality gun, but with a red dot it would be fast, steady and straight.
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I was a working cop for 30 years and survived three deadly force confrontations w/my issued .38 revolver so I know they will do the job. I’m still more comfortable w/that platform so my answer to your Q is what weapon system do you handle & shoot the best? If you chose an auto loader b/c it holds more rounds but you’re not comfortable w/it you might hurt yourself or an innocent bystander. Real life deadly confrontations seldom play out like they do on TV or in the movies.
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I still carry a 4 inch S&W Model 10 and have no problem with it. I've carried lots of autos in my days but I know the Model 10 will hit whatever I aim at and will not jam at an inopportune time. I also keep two speed loaders with me just in case.
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I carry a snub revolver more than anything else and believe it to be adequate and a great personal defense weapon, but my primary goal is avoidance and disengagement.

If I was responsible for protecting others, I would definitely opt for a high capacity autoloader.

It is with good reason that law enforcement switched to high capacity semi-automatics. In the context of an attack on a church, I would have the mentality that I would likely have to be ready to defend against a homicidal/suicidal individual likely armed with an assault rifle or at least a high capacity handgun and possibly wearing body armor. I just can't see wanting a revolver in that scenario. That's just my perspective, YMMV.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:33 PM
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I carry a revolver (or two) everyday for work. My colleagues have no objections to my revolvers because they know that I am very, very good with a revolver. They carry pistols, and I'm good with that for the same reason, I know they shoot them well. The type of gun is much less important than your skill with the gun you choose.
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"and possibly wearing body armor. I just can't see wanting a revolver in that scenario."

Maybe a revolver would be best; a S&W 500 MGN. If it won't penetrate, it likely will spoil their aim!

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In any armed confrontation the only shot that truly counts is the last one fired, which ends the fight. I would rather do that with a good revolver than miss 18 or 20 times with the most modern "plastic fantastic" pistol made.

Spent two tours in Vietnam, most of the time carrying a US M1911A-1 pistol with 3 seven-round magazines. Spent most of my 24 years as a cop carrying a 6-shot revolver with another 12 rounds on my belt. Somehow I am still here, but a couple of other guys aren't anymore.

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Personally, I think it would be better to carry an semi-automatic with more capacity. The M&P Shield will carry 8-9 rounds and the M&P 2.0 Compact will carry 16 rounds. And then I'd get good and comfortable with it, learning to shoot it as accurately as I can. I don't know of any reason it couldn't be as accurate as a revolver. If you're set in your ways, stick with the revolver--it'll do fine.
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Personally, I think it would be better to carry an semi-automatic with more capacity. The M&P Shield will carry 8-9 rounds and the M&P 2.0 Compact will carry 16 rounds. And then I'd get good and comfortable with it, learning to shoot it as accurately as I can. I don't know of any reason it couldn't be as accurate as a revolver. If you're set in your ways, stick with the revolver--it'll do fine.

If you need that many rounds you should have a radio so you can call for backup. Make your shots count instead of counting your shots.
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I carry a snub revolver more than anything else and believe it to be adequate and a great personal defense weapon, but my primary goal is avoidance and disengagement.

If I was responsible for protecting others, I would definitely opt for a high capacity autoloader.

It is with good reason that law enforcement switched to high capacity semi-automatics. In the context of an attack on a church, I would have the mentality that I would likely have to be ready to defend against a homicidal/suicidal individual likely armed with an assault rifle or at least a high capacity handgun and possibly wearing body armor. I just can't see wanting a revolver in that scenario. That's just my perspective, YMMV.
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A .38 in hand is better than the Glock or other large auto left at home. Statistically speaking, 5-6 are plenty for defensive encounters. Revolvers work for many members here. They are proficient and accurate with them, THAT is what will end the fight quickly, not the bucket of bullets under you latest plastic fantastic wonder pistol.
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Modern auto loaders make sense for law enforcement and they get the requisite training to handle those weapons efficiently and safely. Anyone else who has the responsibility for protecting large groups of innocents should also consider this platform, but not w/o good training & practice. Whatever weapons system you pick, handling the gun should become second nature so you are safe not only in the holster but deployed in an attack.
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If the discussion boils down to ammo capacity differences between a revolver and a pistol, the discussion is misleading.

The appropriate focus is on what gun you can shoot well at longer distances than are commonly associated with typical sd applications.

In this light, tiny 380ís and j frames are disqualified for the vast majority of shooters. They simply canít reliably hit at 25 yards with such weapons.

This leaves full sized pistols such as 1911ís and K frame revolvers as the guns of choice.

The issue isnít how many shots you can get off before reloading but rather what you can hit with.

Iím always amused by those who must be planning to miss a lot, so they think they need a large capacity gun, offering themselves up as protectors.
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First of all, it is a good idea to keep in mind that there are an estimated 400,000 churches in the US, and that the average number of church shootings annually in the past 10 years has been just under 15. That means that in the average year, the every-Sunday churchgoer has about a .0000375% chance of encountering an in-church shooter. That's about 1 chance in 27,000 of any church suffering an armed attack in a year, compared to an individual's 1-in-6,225 chance of dying in a car crash in my state of SC in the same year.

Now, that's not 0%, so there is some justification for concern, in spite of the fact that it is a very, very small one. But it does show that there are probably more important things to think about in church than carrying a gun.

That said, I live in a state where concealed carry in church is legal with the approval of the individual church's ruling body, and my church's ruling body has no objection to it -- although they do not actively encourage it. Since I carry everywhere that concealed carry is not legally prohibited, I carry in church.

Frankly, as in most self-defense situations, my belief is that the fact of having a gun far outweighs exactly the type of gun I am carrying. Mindset -- awareness of your surroundings and having an idea of tactics that might be required in a given situation -- is a far more important factor. I have seen a 90-pound unarmed girl completely destroy a 220-pound male assailant via the means of one swift, well-timed-and-placed kick to the crotch. The well-executed surprise kick served her as well as, if not better than, a gun would have.

My mindset is such that if all I have is my .380 Beretta Pico my odds against an AR-wielding bad guy can be better than even, especially in a situation where he is likely unaware that any armed opposition is present. And since I am not going to don body armor and sling my AR to go to church, that's enough to make me comfortable, albeit alert.
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One would assume you'd want to carry what YOU are best suited to use, not what I am best suited for.

I've shot for 47 years with the majority of that in one form of competition or other, and I use 1911's as my Primary carry and competition and I am quite proficient with the 1911 platform, but I am not ashamed to say I've had my pants beat off me from guys using revolvers, and this includes speed loads. Anyone ever see Jerry Miculek compete with a revolver????

The most important thing in a lethal confrontation is to stay calm, find COVER, and SHOT PLACEMENT. Not do as the Russians plan on doing when they take out an american CVN. Launch 1000 missiles and know that at least 5 will hit.

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First rule of a gunfight: have a gun.

A .38 in hand is better than the Glock or other large auto left at home. Statistically speaking, 5-6 are plenty for defensive encounters. Revolvers work for many members here. They are proficient and accurate with them, THAT is what will end the fight quickly, not the bucket of bullets under you latest plastic fantastic wonder pistol.

I carry an airweight snub revolver most of the time and feel it's probably adequate(plus it offers certain ECQ advantages) for the vast majority of defense scenarios I'm most likely to encounter, but that's not really what is being discussed here.

Intentionally engaging an active-shooter at distance is very different than your typical civilian self-defense encounter. The shooter will most likely be armed with at least a high capacity pistol if not an assault-rifle. He very well could be wearing body armor and he will likely be suicidal, so he will not be easily deterred and will be hard to stop. The odds of such an event are so astronomically rare to be all that concerned with, but that's the topic at hand nonetheless.

"It's the Indian, not the Arrow"....

To use martial arts as an analogy- some will claim it's the fighter not the style that matters and there is obviously a great deal of truth to that, but the style also matters a great deal and those with actual experience know it. I have come across numerous traditional martial art instructors over the years who are very critical of things like mixed martial arts, force on force training and even freestyle sparring. They make bold claims about what they could or would do, but have never once proved it nor pressure-tested anything they promote. It's the same thing with shooters and gun choice and anonymous posters on Internet gun forums.

If you can shoot a double-action revolver well, I don't know why you would have problems with a striker-fired auto. I have spent a lot more time practicing with my snub revolver compared with my Glock 26, but I still shoot the Glock better and the Glock 19/17 better still.

And how do revolvers work for many members here? Demonstrating proficiency shooting static targets from a static stance at the range isn't the same as performing effectively in an actual gunfight with an active-shooter. I would expect most people's hit ratio to not be all that stellar if engaging a homicidal/suicudal AR/AK wielding assailant at longer ranges.

It's very easy to claim that you're capable of making precise shots during the chaos of a gunfight, but saying and doing are two different things. And even if you are able to put rounds into the assailant, it may take multiple hits to actually stop them if we are dealing with a determined attacker and in the case of a church shooting, I think we likely would be.

Most civilian defense scenarios are resolved by simply presenting the weapon or as soon as shots are fired. Disengagement is the goal and the bad guys usually immediately flee since there generally is nothing at stake worth shooting it out. Determined attackers are much more commonly encountered by law enforcement since there is much more at stake. If tasked with defending the church against a suicidal active-shooter, then I think you are much more likely to potentially see a dynamic similar to what's seen in police conflicts play out rather than typical civilian self-defense if an attack occurs and you should plan accordingly considering what it can take to stop a determined attacker.
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The most important thing is carrying a reliable gun that you are competent with. Well, second most important thing. The most important thing is to be aware and observant and try to prevent an incident if possible.

Personally, in the situation you describe where I'd be responsible for protecting others, I would lean towards a compact semi-auto, like a Glock 19, for the reasons mentioned by Rpg and Mister X, IF I could shoot it well and I could effectively conceal it.

However, I would NOT go so far as to say it's irresponsible to carry a revolver for such duty. There are lots of variables to consider, and each person's situation is going to be different, slightly or significantly.

I would add that if I were in a such a position, I would make sure I had a trauma kit on me and know how to use it. If an active shooter incident were to happen, it's possible, or even likely, that people may get hurt before I, or anyone else, could intervene. Being able to triage and stop bleeding could prove to be just as important in terms of saving lives as having the means to stop an attacker(s).

In other words, it depends.

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I've spoken to law enforcement professionals, who say that perhaps 20-25% of all rounds expended in gunfights hit the target. That's pretty awful, when qualified, trained people are involved.

The civilian concealed carrier hopefully may be able to better than figure, but the environment in a house of worship or public gathering could be much different. "Target fixation" may be present, and panicked people will be running here and there, and unobserved, may obscure the target just as a round is fired.

It takes a pretty cool head to observe, assess and act, especially when adrenaline is running full tilt, without endangering those that a person is trying to protect.
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I can tell you there was a time I did medical standbys for the Catholic Archdiocies of Detroit at the church that was the home to the Archbishop. I worked pretty close with the security team there. It was a pretty eclectic mix of retired and active cops and a few ex-military. Most of the young guys and a few of the old carried semi autos. But there was 1 group of guys all retired mostly ex detectives that carried these beat up snubbies. They all did the rubber bands over these classic old school skinny grips. You know what I think I had more faith in that group of guys to make a great shot than all the rest.
All in all great group of guys. I'm not religious but still miss that detail.
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In other words, it depends.

Just my opinion.
Could not agree more.

Seriously: Rule one, bring a gun (you are proficient in the use of).
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I've never seen ya shoot..........

You'll just have to pick one or the other, and er mabee jest carry both.




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I wouldn't call it irresponsible to carry a revolver to defend yourself or others(if legal to do so). More responsible if you ask me. Carrying a firearm itself is a huge responsibility. You are carrying and chose to be prepared for sake of yourself and others.

I think it would be irresponsible to carry a weapon platform you have no training with.

Irresponsible could be your decision on how to access the fight at the moment, be it with a pistol or revolver depending on the situation.

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..... would it be responsible to carry your favorite revolver, or would it be better to carry a comparable size autoloader with a spare magazine.

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Do you plan on missing a lot?
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I kinda doubt anyone plans on doing it. It is a very real possibility however, and I can hardly imagine a place more likely for a miss or pass thru to hit a good guy. Taking out 1 of your fellow church members would be hard to live with. The very real possibility of multiple shooters and a prolonged fight??? Hone those skills before taking on such a daunting task, AND DON'T MISS.
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Police departments all over this nation would have been issued the Browning high power, or a Colt 1911 if it were deemed irresponsible decades ago.
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You'll just have to pick one or the other, and er mabee jest carry both.




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Police shooting studies show that even trained law enforcement miss on average 80% of the shots fired. Put another way, the “hit rate” was only 20%. Of course the distance mattered with closer higher and further away lower. But if I remember the studies (NYC & Detroit) even 10 feet or less they still missed 60% of the time.

My take away is that people less exlerienced and trained than law enforcement officers will likely have no better results and most likely far worse results. So you may as well count that you will miss at least half (50%) of the shots fired. All the more reason to make damn sure you have no other alternative at your disposal before drawing and firing your weapon.

Automatic Physiological things occur which no human has control over. Adrenaline will be released which causes shaky hands etc. which will negatively affect accuracy of shooting as well as dexterity to reload. training is huge and will help to minimize messing up. But as seen in the studies of police shootings. The human biological effects are real and significant and cannot be overlooked. Even the best most highly trained individual is NOT immune from these real physiological responses.

A person may be able to shoot a fly off a cows rear end at 25 yards at the range. But when the **** hits the fan, they will be damned lucky To hit a human at 10 feet with 50% of the shots fired in the real world.

All the more reason if possible to train when out of breath and/or under stress.

One saying to remember: “You will only fight like you train.”

Training matters! And I know many people who carry frequently but never shoot 200 rounds a year! I encourage them that they really need to either get more training, or stop carrying.

So to the OP post. The most important thing is to know BOTH your own AND your guns limitations. If you choose to carry a 5 or 6 shot revolver, know that you must be close to your target As you may only hit the bad guy with 2 shots. And with shaky hands and a speed loader may be very difficult to accomplish. A magazine fed weapon hopefully decreases your need to have to do a reload. But smaller pocket pistols may only have 6 or 7 shots.

And even though you are in church, it is not a good idea to use the spray and pray method simply because you have 16 rounds in the gun or on your person.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

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As above........ carry whatever you are most familiar and proficient with.
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Lots of good opinions, and maybe a couple not so good. As for me in
circumstances such as mentioned, I would (and do) carry one of the
two that I shoot the best. That happens to be the 1911 Colt's Gold Cup
on the left, or the S&W Model 19 on the right.
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"A person may be able to shoot a fly off a cows rear end at 25 yards at the range. But when the **** hits the fan, they will be damned lucky To hit a human at 10 feet with 50% of the shots fired in the real world.

All the more reason if possible to train when out of breath and/or under stress." By Flyingfool

One reason my Gunny in the Corps, had us shoot the USMC qual course in the morning, followed by a very energetic excercise perioed followed by shooting the qual course again. He was NOT happy until your scores were close enough to touch. He said this way was more real world under fire, your adrenaline was pumping, breathing hard, sweating and tired aproximated combat, and many here can attest to that.
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To the best of my knowledge, the following men carry a high-capacity autoloader more than they do anything else if not exclusively. If you were to take one of their classes, would any of you ask them if "they plan on missing a lot" and question their shooting proficiency for opting to carry a semi-auto with a couple of reloads over a wheelgun?

Massad Ayoob, Tom Givens, Chuck Taylor, Kelly McCann(Jim Grover), Craig Douglas, Dr.Gary Roberts(DocGKR), Gabe Suarez, Karl Rehn, Clint Smith, Travis Haley, Dave Spaulding, Andy Stanford, Larry Vickers, Chris Costa just to name a few.
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I'd feel safe attending any church service if Jerry Miculek was a member of the congregation and in attendance. Rumor has it that he is pretty good and plenty quick with a wheel gun.
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Here are my thoughts. I love revolvers. They are reliable, they are well-crafted pieces of historical machinery. However, I would not carry one if my duty was to protect myself and *others*.

When the wheel gun ruled the day, the bad guys that we would face also had wheel guns, or an 8 shot 45 at most. The 6 shooter was comparable to what you'd go up against. Also, the types of threats we would face would typically run away at the first hint of armed resistance.

*TODAY*: We face different types of threats. Many mass public shooters and terrorists expect to die at the scene, so they will stick around and shoot back. Also, they are typically armed with long guns with lots and lots of ammo.

When that evil nutcase shot up that school in Parkland, we know that there were deputies on scene who didn't go inside to confront the shooter. Imagine you are the only one on scene, and you know inside the building is a shooter with a rifle, and you are about to go inside with whatever gun you have on you now. What kind of pistol would you choose now? I honestly accept that I would not want a 6 shooter.

As much as I like my wheelguns, I would not choose one knowing the types of threats that we could face. I'd want at least a 1911 with a spare magazine, and ideally a 12-20 round 9mm pistol with a spare magazine.

This is the reality for me, and I accept it.

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Carry something. But how do you argue against the fact that almost every LE/Military Organization in the world carries semiautomatics?

I believe even Dirty Harry would now carry a Glock 20.
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Most people do when someone is actually shooting back. Only in Hollywood do people stand like the Redcoats and fire oblivious to incoming rounds. And I am not Bruce Willis. I anticipate a lot of fear.
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"I believe even Dirty Harry would now carry a Glock 20"

“I know what you're thinking. Did he fire sixteen shots or only fifteen? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself.

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I'll continue to carry what I want, usually a revolver. If that's not enough for "others", they are welcome to carry their own piece with as much ammo on board as they wish.
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This deceased horse must be just about beaten to gritty mush by now.

As noted above, it's just the old, old, old which-is-better-revolver-or-automatic argument.

Carry what you trust and can hit with, and don't count on changing the mind of someone who picks the other category. You won't.

I'm a revolver guy in my old age, and unlikely to budge; so I won't try to shift you if you like to carry a .50AE Desert Eagle IWB. Or whatever.
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well, here's a revolver that you won't feel under gunned carrying. Magnum Research in the 30-30 caliber.
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I shoot a revo almost as well as a pistol @ combat speed. I just cant reload it as fast, though speed loaders & moon clips help. SO yes I would carry a revo but really, in today's enviro, nuts with semiautos, why handicap yourslelf? I love my revolvers, especially snubs, but serious about my personal protection, it is a semiauto with spare mag. Irresponsible, no, but probably better choices.
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