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Old 04-05-2018, 06:49 PM
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The thing is, the Brits did not realize (till too late) that their own Government did not care about their well being. What the average American does not realize is that most of our government dose not care about it's citizens. Get out and vote every time folks!
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I guess the road isnít the only thing theyíre to the left onI'm glad I don' Live in England
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Reminds me of California, donít laugh , Iím stuck here and hope and pray I never have to defend myself from an armed assailant.
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For what its worth last year in San Francisco CA (not exactly a hot bed of gun owner rights) a convicted felon shot a person in the home the convicted felon was living and all charges (including being a felon in possession of a firearm. The DA said who dropped the charges said everybody has a right to defend themselves. I do think it this case there was political pressure to drop the charges because the convicted felon was a celebrity in some circles. Don't know anything about the laws regarding self defense in the UK but it sure sounds stupid.
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Old 04-09-2018, 11:47 AM
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Theyre to busy trying to keep up with other "progressive" liberal cities and getting slapped around hajis to use commin sense.
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Now they want your knives as well:

London Mayor Sadiq Khan enacts ‘knife control’ policies to crack down on stabbing epidemic | TheBlaze
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Old 04-10-2018, 03:46 AM
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And after WWII was over the British Gov't decided that these U.S. donated firearms which had been sent by the people of the United States of America to aid England in her darkest hour were crated up and dumped in the ocean never to be seen again. It is my hope that England never finds herself in that position again. This time the flood of arms, ammunition and other items sent like that in WWII may just a trickle. Frank
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There is a difference in the way a suspect for a crime is processed in the UK and the US (also Australia, Canada and New Zealand).

Where in most jurisdictions an arresting officer requires evidence of the commission of a crime before making an arrest and the suspect has to be arraigned in a court as soon as possible. in the UK the arrest is made after the arresting officer only “suspects” the offence has been committed. After the arrest enquiries continue to establish if there is sufficient evidence for a prosecution to proceed. While this investigation continued the suspect may be released on police bail to return to police custody at a future time stated on the bail bond, or to report to police to ensure they do not abscond.

Elsewhere bail is only granted by the court or by police pending the first court date.

The presumption of innocence still exists until convicted in a court

Incidentally, a few decades ago the UK changed their caution upon arrest. While the suspect still has the right to silence and to refrain from making any statement if they do not mention any legal defence at the time of arrest/questioning they may not necessarily rely on this defence in court.

“You do not have to say anything. But, it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.”

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We separated ourselves from the UK for a reason.

There are those today who very ostentatiously attack the First Amendment every bit as ardently as they attack the Second. And they point to Canada and the UK as their model.

NO, I REFUSE.
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Old 04-10-2018, 09:41 AM
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............. but sadly, we are headed towards anarchy.
We couldn't be so lucky. As we drift quickly away from our constitutional form of government, anarchy would be my second choice. It's a distant second; but, second. Unfortunately, we will get to socialism with totalitarian central control and never reach the much better anarchy.
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Well Now.........



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We separated ourselves from the UK for a reason...
The duly empowered government move to seize the citizenry's powder supply.

Just sayin'.
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Old 04-15-2018, 07:27 PM
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Well it has gotten worse. The homeowner has been released but is having to move for his own safety. People are creating a memorial to the burglar in front of the homeowners house. Flowers and teddy bears.
Flowers, tributes left for burglar stabbed to death by retiree protecting his home | Fox News
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Well it has gotten worse. The homeowner has been released but is having to move for his own safety. People are creating a memorial to the burglar in front of the homeowners house. Flowers and teddy bears.
Flowers, tributes left for burglar stabbed to death by retiree protecting his home | Fox News
Jeez! At least they're relatives of the scumbag and not just regular folks.
The neighbors are supportive of the pensioner and have been tearing down the "memorials" - which is as it should be. Somebody (the bobbies) OUGHT to be chasing the flower-bearers off. This is private property after all.

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Let's look at the problem, first, we will ban firearms! Strange enough that didn't work because people are still killing or trying to hurt others. Let's ban knives, that should put an end to the problem. Unfortunately, that won't solve the problem either. Until we look at the root of the problem and treat it like such we will always have this problem. It's not the instrument, it's the person! They are also going to implement stop & frisk, adding an additional 300 bobbies to the streets. This worked very well back in the day with the NYPD, but Mayor D(I love felons) put an end to that.
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Does the British citizen have a duty to report such an incident? He would been better off not reporting it at all and keeping his mouth closed.
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Until we look at the root of the problem and treat it like such we will always have this problem. It's not the instrument, it's the person!
You're right, but good luck getting any them to agree with you.

"They" attack guns/knives/objects for one reason, they have no voice.
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While the above situations are no doubtably true in many of our states, there are still (thank G_d) a few where the very first question asked in the investigation is "Did the sumbitch need killin'?"
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They are also going to implement stop & frisk, adding an additional 300 bobbies to the streets. This worked very well back in the day with the NYPD, but Mayor D(I love felons) put an end to that.
I'll tell you what would work better:
  1. internal passports
  2. tying one's place of residence to one's place of employment
  3. institutionalized torture
  4. preventive detention
  5. "corrective labor" camps
  6. death sentences handed down by three member "troikas"
It worked in the Soviet Union.

Of course it depends upon how you define "work".

The solution to being victimized by private sector criminals is not to institutionalize the victimization of non-criminals by the government.

The 4th and 5th Amendments are every bit as important as the 1st and 2nd.

That the UK would go down the crooked road of "stop and frisk", indicates just how intellectually and morally bankrupt their system has become.

Ban enough stuff and eventually EVERYBODY'S a "criminal".
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Does the British citizen have a duty to report such an incident? He would been better off not reporting it at all and keeping his mouth closed.
Robber prolly reported it. That way he gets his medical bills taken care of and gets paid for his "lost wages".
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While the above situations are no doubtably true in many of our states, there are still (thank G_d) a few where the very first question asked in the investigation is "Did the sumbitch need killin'?"
I believe that the first high profile (if not the first in general) self-defense shooting in Ohio after the passage of "shall issue" concealed carry legislation was a squalid little thug named Arthur Buford.

Little Artie and his pal decided that they were going to rob a guy at gunpoint on his own front lawn.

Artie got fatally ventilated for his trouble and his buddy broke several Olympic records running home to change his shorts.

Artie's mutant family and "posse" got on their high sway backed horse to pontificate about the "injustice" of an armed robber getting shot by the person he was robbing.

This freakshow was horrified when the community in general reacted with, "If you don't want to get shot, don't try to rob people."

There have been a number of similar self-defense shootings since then, and the reaction has overwhelmingly been the same... except of course from those committing or profiting from said crimes.

Nobody gets a letter from the "Armed Robbery Draft Board" announcing their conscription. That's a VOLUNTEER position. If you CHOOSE to commit violent crimes against innocent people (and only IMBECILES think that strongarm robbery is a "property crime"), then you CHOOSE to incur the risk of being beaten, stabbed, choked, shot, set on fire or whatever else the victim can bring to bear against you. Don't like that? Find something else to do.

And that's the general attitude here in Ohio.

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...Nobody gets a letter from the "Armed Robbery Draft Board" announcing their conscription. That's a VOLUNTEER position. If you CHOOSE to commit violent crimes against innocent people (and only IMBECILES think that strongarm robbery is a "property crime"), then you CHOOSE to incur the risk of being beaten, stabbed, choked, shot, set on fire or whatever else the victim can bring to bear against you. Don't like that? Find something else to do.

And that's the general attitude here in Ohio.
...and that should be the attitude everywhere - including dear old England.
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I believe that the first high profile (if not the first in general) self-defense shooting in Ohio after the passage of "shall issue" concealed carry legislation was a squalid little thug named Arthur Buford.

Little Artie and his pal decided that they were going to rob a guy at gunpoint on his own front lawn.

Artie got fatally ventilated for his trouble and his buddy broke several Olympic records running home to change his shorts.

Artie's mutant family and "posse" got on their high sway backed horse to pontificate about the "injustice" of an armed robber getting shot by the person he was robbing.

This freakshow was horrified when the community in general reacted with, "If you don't want to get shot, don't try to rob people."

There have been a number of similar self-defense shootings since then, and the reaction has overwhelmingly been the same... except of course from those committing or profiting from said crimes.

Nobody gets a letter from the "Armed Robbery Draft Board" announcing their conscription. That's a VOLUNTEER position. If you CHOOSE to commit violent crimes against innocent people (and only IMBECILES think that strongarm robbery is a "property crime"), then you CHOOSE to incur the risk of being beaten, stabbed, choked, shot, set on fire or whatever else the victim can bring to bear against you. Don't like that? Find something else to do.

And that's the general attitude here in Ohio.
According to local press, the man who legitimately ventilated little Artie had his home vandalized and had to abandon it and stay concealed himself, while Artie's friends placed a street shrine to honor him. Somehow, the world is the same all over...
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