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Old 04-06-2018, 03:09 PM
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A private property owner can do ANYTHING legal to secure his property...
That's a pretty ridiculous statement. Of course anyone can do anything legal. You might as well say, "As long as it's legal, it's legal." The question is, is it legal to do what they did.

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But you do not have a right to object to it.
Yes, I have the right to object. I might not have the right to go against their wishes, but I can object and no one can stop me.
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Old 04-06-2018, 03:42 PM
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Of course I had a handgun with me so I was not sure what to do; the car wasn't that far away if I had to leave and toss the gun into the trunk. But this just seems different so I approached a police officer and explained my dilemma.

"Are you law enforcement?"

"No - CHL".

Permits issued outside of NYC are not valid in NYC unless a special license is issued granting validity. ...

How did you pull this off ?????????????
If you take the time to look you will see that he is in Dallas, Texas.

Personally I don't have a dog in this fight, I stopped going to movies when popcorn hit 5 dollars a bucket. However it would be a cold day in you know where before I would put my name on some record that could be read by any high schooler working in a theater. For the same reason I wont give my full social security to some doctor or hospital. Information like this has value to criminals and too many people working low paying jobs don't have any qualms about selling information that I feel is confidential.
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Old 04-06-2018, 04:15 PM
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there is NO way i would subject myself to a wanna be information seeker asking me for personal data.......if thats their policy...I'M OTTA THERE!!!

i dont need what ever they are selling.....and would NEVER look back......this nonsense is getting way out of line.....

if you wanna stop the violence....ELIMINATE THE CRAZIES.......

BRING BACK RESPECT AND DISCIPLINE AND HOME AND FAMILY VALUES.....
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Old 04-06-2018, 06:32 PM
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That's a pretty ridiculous statement. Of course anyone can do anything legal. You might as well say, "As long as it's legal, it's legal." The question is, is it legal to do what they did.

Yes, I have the right to object. I might not have the right to go against their wishes, but I can object and no one can stop me.
Rastoff, you took that further than the "every building" item!

Yes, it is legal for them to do what they did. I was answering a question; if the answer came out odd it was unintentional. I was merely pointing out the fact that the property owner can, indeed, wand invitees, even without notice.

As for objecting, of course you can object. But you can't get into the door because you objected - you know that. I object to 55 mph speed limits on super highways but that and a couple of dollars will get me coffee.

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You all understand, I hope, that I wrote this not to create a controversy but to point out an unusual procedure I encountered in a theater. It did not bother me. If it would bother you I understand. But it is a personal reaction, and a personal decision if you decide to leave, but not something to get vituperative about. It's the 21st century. America is on edge in many ways and checking for weapons is ever so typical in so many places in major cities, even here in Dallas, Texas.

I cannot expect everyone to be as cavalier about what I encountered as I was but it is not a violation of anything in the legal sense so it is just personal to each of us. Jus' sayin'.... let's not get totally wrapped around the axle on this.
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:48 PM
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If you had actual Police Officers rather than security, I believe they may be acting on info that they have received.
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:59 PM
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Rastoff, you took that further than the "every building" item!

Yes, it is legal for them to do what they did. I was answering a question; if the answer came out odd it was unintentional. I was merely pointing out the fact that the property owner can, indeed, wand invitees, even without notice.
Yes, I know, but you're a lawyer. You should know that the "Devil's in the details" as it were.

I also know what your intent was here. However, especially here, you should expect some excitement over what happened. Most of us are not the type who would submit to this.

You said that you were bringing an abnormal situation to our notice, but earlier you said that this type of thing was really the norm in modern society. What we want is for this truly abnormal behavior to NOT become the norm.
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Old 04-06-2018, 08:04 PM
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I only go to civilized theaters, where I can reserve my seats from home, sit in a recliner, and have a nice overpriced glass of wine.

My preferred venue is in Aurora, CO, a locale not unfamiliar with theater shoot ‘em ups.

No signs, no wands. If they did, no problem. It is their house, not mine. I would either not carry, not go, or sign their log. They already know all about me from when I paid for my reserved seats.
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Old 04-06-2018, 08:13 PM
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You all understand, I hope, that I wrote this not to create a controversy
WANDED IN TEXAS, & making ridiculous speculative assumptions and insulting remarks about ALL > MOST > MANY >THE BLDG'S I WAS ACTUALLY IN that had metal detectors and what NYers believe? NO NOT TROLL LIKE AT ALL. What was the connection with NY anyway? Were you teased for wearing your chaps on the subway again?
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Old 04-07-2018, 10:14 AM
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I can't understand why you say that this was a good thing happening.
In my mind, it was far from a good thing. It was that first step down that very slippery slope.
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Dick's/Field & Stream does the same thing around here. Our fine state was supposed to build a NICS-like system for ammo purchases, which they never did. So D/F&S took it upon themselves to log, for some ungodly reason, pistol permit numbers with handgun ammo sales.

They don't log anything for long-gun ammo sales, even when it's a pistol-caliber cartridge, because the clerks are poorly-trained and, I think, more interested in not creating problems for themselves than obeying their corporate masters.
We have a Dicks about 60 miles away we went to a few times in the past, it appears we have made our last visit there!

Some of the clerks in the rather decent/large gun department were good, many hardly knew the difference between a rifle and shot gun. They had a seriously good selection of ammo available and a coupon system that gave some very good values.

Before Christmas (thanksgiving night after 9PM) my wife and I did some shopping for presents for our boys and a couple other family members and ourselves. Wife bought ammo for 6 different handgun calibers along other items and each time the rather friendly clerk said. Oh this is pistol ammo and my wife would say no its for a carbine. One time we varied it with no its for a rifle just for the heck of it.

Our pistol permits never left our pockets and we walked out with plenty of assorted ammo, I also bought some rifle ammo for my .25-06 as it was very decently priced and my wife had a coupon for it that made it cheaper!.
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Old 04-07-2018, 11:57 AM
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Odd situation. I agree with a previous post, there must have been some credible threat noted for local LEO's to go through all that.
Why the list?
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I find it pathetic that the people of this country are willing to do this kind of stupid stuff all in the name of feel good security. I call it feel good security because it does almost nothing to make them more secure. Several of the founding fathers echoed Franklin's idea that, those who willingly surrender the rights and freedoms in search of security deserve and receive neither. I agree. I am not going tto pay any of my money for the "privilege" of such foolishness. Another reason not to go to Dallas.

So what probably happens is crazy shooter walks in sees his plan going south so instead shoots security guards (whose attention is on those they are checking) and a bunch of the sheep milling around waiting to get their "security" Hey a mass of people is a mass of people. Pre or post "security" check.

It sound like a good plan, but once again it isn't really.

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