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Old 04-06-2018, 03:09 PM
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A private property owner can do ANYTHING legal to secure his property...
That's a pretty ridiculous statement. Of course anyone can do anything legal. You might as well say, "As long as it's legal, it's legal." The question is, is it legal to do what they did.

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But you do not have a right to object to it.
Yes, I have the right to object. I might not have the right to go against their wishes, but I can object and no one can stop me.
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Of course I had a handgun with me so I was not sure what to do; the car wasn't that far away if I had to leave and toss the gun into the trunk. But this just seems different so I approached a police officer and explained my dilemma.

"Are you law enforcement?"

"No - CHL".

Permits issued outside of NYC are not valid in NYC unless a special license is issued granting validity. ...

How did you pull this off ?????????????
If you take the time to look you will see that he is in Dallas, Texas.

Personally I don't have a dog in this fight, I stopped going to movies when popcorn hit 5 dollars a bucket. However it would be a cold day in you know where before I would put my name on some record that could be read by any high schooler working in a theater. For the same reason I wont give my full social security to some doctor or hospital. Information like this has value to criminals and too many people working low paying jobs don't have any qualms about selling information that I feel is confidential.
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there is NO way i would subject myself to a wanna be information seeker asking me for personal data.......if thats their policy...I'M OTTA THERE!!!

i dont need what ever they are selling.....and would NEVER look back......this nonsense is getting way out of line.....

if you wanna stop the violence....ELIMINATE THE CRAZIES.......

BRING BACK RESPECT AND DISCIPLINE AND HOME AND FAMILY VALUES.....
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That's a pretty ridiculous statement. Of course anyone can do anything legal. You might as well say, "As long as it's legal, it's legal." The question is, is it legal to do what they did.

Yes, I have the right to object. I might not have the right to go against their wishes, but I can object and no one can stop me.
Rastoff, you took that further than the "every building" item!

Yes, it is legal for them to do what they did. I was answering a question; if the answer came out odd it was unintentional. I was merely pointing out the fact that the property owner can, indeed, wand invitees, even without notice.

As for objecting, of course you can object. But you can't get into the door because you objected - you know that. I object to 55 mph speed limits on super highways but that and a couple of dollars will get me coffee.

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You all understand, I hope, that I wrote this not to create a controversy but to point out an unusual procedure I encountered in a theater. It did not bother me. If it would bother you I understand. But it is a personal reaction, and a personal decision if you decide to leave, but not something to get vituperative about. It's the 21st century. America is on edge in many ways and checking for weapons is ever so typical in so many places in major cities, even here in Dallas, Texas.

I cannot expect everyone to be as cavalier about what I encountered as I was but it is not a violation of anything in the legal sense so it is just personal to each of us. Jus' sayin'.... let's not get totally wrapped around the axle on this.
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If you had actual Police Officers rather than security, I believe they may be acting on info that they have received.
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:59 PM
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Rastoff, you took that further than the "every building" item!

Yes, it is legal for them to do what they did. I was answering a question; if the answer came out odd it was unintentional. I was merely pointing out the fact that the property owner can, indeed, wand invitees, even without notice.
Yes, I know, but you're a lawyer. You should know that the "Devil's in the details" as it were.

I also know what your intent was here. However, especially here, you should expect some excitement over what happened. Most of us are not the type who would submit to this.

You said that you were bringing an abnormal situation to our notice, but earlier you said that this type of thing was really the norm in modern society. What we want is for this truly abnormal behavior to NOT become the norm.
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I only go to civilized theaters, where I can reserve my seats from home, sit in a recliner, and have a nice overpriced glass of wine.

My preferred venue is in Aurora, CO, a locale not unfamiliar with theater shoot ‘em ups.

No signs, no wands. If they did, no problem. It is their house, not mine. I would either not carry, not go, or sign their log. They already know all about me from when I paid for my reserved seats.
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WANDED IN TEXAS, & making ridiculous speculative assumptions and insulting remarks about ALL > MOST > MANY >THE BLDG'S I WAS ACTUALLY IN that had metal detectors and what NYers believe? NO NOT TROLL LIKE AT ALL. What was the connection with NY anyway? Were you teased for wearing your chaps on the subway again?
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Old 04-07-2018, 10:14 AM
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I can't understand why you say that this was a good thing happening.
In my mind, it was far from a good thing. It was that first step down that very slippery slope.
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Dick's/Field & Stream does the same thing around here. Our fine state was supposed to build a NICS-like system for ammo purchases, which they never did. So D/F&S took it upon themselves to log, for some ungodly reason, pistol permit numbers with handgun ammo sales.

They don't log anything for long-gun ammo sales, even when it's a pistol-caliber cartridge, because the clerks are poorly-trained and, I think, more interested in not creating problems for themselves than obeying their corporate masters.
We have a Dicks about 60 miles away we went to a few times in the past, it appears we have made our last visit there!

Some of the clerks in the rather decent/large gun department were good, many hardly knew the difference between a rifle and shot gun. They had a seriously good selection of ammo available and a coupon system that gave some very good values.

Before Christmas (thanksgiving night after 9PM) my wife and I did some shopping for presents for our boys and a couple other family members and ourselves. Wife bought ammo for 6 different handgun calibers along other items and each time the rather friendly clerk said. Oh this is pistol ammo and my wife would say no its for a carbine. One time we varied it with no its for a rifle just for the heck of it.

Our pistol permits never left our pockets and we walked out with plenty of assorted ammo, I also bought some rifle ammo for my .25-06 as it was very decently priced and my wife had a coupon for it that made it cheaper!.
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Old 04-07-2018, 11:57 AM
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Odd situation. I agree with a previous post, there must have been some credible threat noted for local LEO's to go through all that.
Why the list?
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Old 04-07-2018, 11:35 PM
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I find it pathetic that the people of this country are willing to do this kind of stupid stuff all in the name of feel good security. I call it feel good security because it does almost nothing to make them more secure. Several of the founding fathers echoed Franklin's idea that, those who willingly surrender the rights and freedoms in search of security deserve and receive neither. I agree. I am not going tto pay any of my money for the "privilege" of such foolishness. Another reason not to go to Dallas.

So what probably happens is crazy shooter walks in sees his plan going south so instead shoots security guards (whose attention is on those they are checking) and a bunch of the sheep milling around waiting to get their "security" Hey a mass of people is a mass of people. Pre or post "security" check.

It sound like a good plan, but once again it isn't really.

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No signs posted , and yet they are "wanding and asking to go stand in a separate line if you are carrying" ???

LOL....
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I call it feel good security because it does almost nothing to make them more secure.

So what probably happens is crazy shooter walks in sees his plan going south so instead shoots security guards (whose attention is on those they are checking) and a bunch of the sheep milling around waiting to get their "security" Hey a mass of people is a mass of people. Pre or post "security" check.

It sound like a good plan, but once again it isn't really.
LOL. Going to few sports events over the past several years here in "The Burgh"...I drive my wife nuts; cus every time I comment about what a nice unprotected target the owners/police security have created with the backup of fans at the gates.........as College kids and others walk by 20 ft way on the street/sidewalk/public right of way with backpacks!

Went to the first Pitt/Penn State game in 15 years in 2016(?)...... in the tail-gate lot;next to the stadium an unattended white van was parked parallel to the security line snaking back and forth to the gate......I'd estimate 800-1000 folks packed togethere. The only thing between the line and the van was 3 ft of air and a chain link fence .


After the game I ask a friend who was tailgating in that same lot ,if he had any security issues when he pulled in the same lot..... answer was a strange look and a "NO,why?"

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The Annual NRA convention is in Dallas in early May.
I will be attending it.
I will also carry my concealed weapon. I have a Texas CHL.
Wonder if they will "wand" the patrons?
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Last Saturday I was invited to see Lewis Black-I like him-at the Paramount Theater in Denver. I checked the website prior and saw that weapons of any kind are prohibited. I parked in a secured garage nearby and locked my pistol in the in-car lock box (secured to vehicle by a cable).

When we got there they had 5 lines to go through and be wanded. My date’s purse was opened for them to look in but at no time did the personnel put their hands in her bag. They also missed her pepper spray lol.

One of my baseball buddies is a retired cop. At Coors Field he identifies himself to the officers at whatever gate we go in, they take down his seat info and have him bypass the metal detector.
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The Annual NRA convention is in Dallas in early May.
I will be attending it.
I will also carry my concealed weapon. I have a Texas CHL.
Wonder if they will "wand" the patrons?
NRA convention will definitely not be a "soft target."
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Last night I went to a show at a venue that I will not name that has no signs about guns and has never evidenced any concern about concealed firearms.

...he has a kind of a notebook open and he asks me to put my license number in column 1, my name in column 2, where I will be sitting, etc., and that was that.
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I know you said that you will not name them, but I do have to ask, what was this movie theater? I ask as a DFW resident (fee free to PM me if you don't want to out them on the forum). I have no intention of contacting them about the policy or making a big deal out it, I simply want to know what movie theater to avoid. Their property, so they can do what they want, but I generally buy movie tickets ahead of getting to the theater and I'd rather not have to dispute the charges when I won't give them my license number or name. Plenty of other movie theaters in Dallas that don't "need" to know my private information in order to enjoy a show. I won't even give out my phone number at checkout counters, I'm definitely not giving a movie theater personal information.

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If I had already paid for the show then I would have gone ahead and submitted to their process. If I had not pre-paid for the ticket, I would have left immediately.

Usually I try to check new venues or restaurants before going to avoid ones with 30.06 notices.
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Nahhhh.....it's just theater security and, REMEMBER, it is private property and a private property owner can do whatever it wants to secure the property - anything legal is permitted.

And Hitler didn't take names and numbers. He ASSIGNED numbers and TOOK AWAY names. Big difference.

What Hitler really did was: He assigned numbers and took away REMAINS.
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That was interesting to hear. I haven't been to a movie theater in or around Houston in many years so I now wonder is this happening in or around Houston.
I don't know how I could tell the guy over there where I would be sitting till I was inside the theater though.
This is kind of an iffy situation in my opinion; on the one hand I don't necessarily WANT to be exposed and noted. Carrying concealed, my own opinion is to remain anonymous.

However, theaters are like any other mass spectator event- a whole bunch of people in a confined place, with little "cover" or easy exit layout, especially if there's a sudden mass panic.
I'm in south Louisiana, and I know ahead of time if I go to a sporting event (LSU for college, Saints or Pelicans for pros), you simply don't have the option to carry, period.

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I don't know how I could tell the guy over there where I would be sitting till I was inside the theater though.
The movie theater experience has changed drastically, started a couple years ago.

Houston? Go look up a movie and find a listing online at a local theater. You will find you can buy tickets online, in advance. If it's a hot new movie, good luck seeing it opening weekend, those seats have been available for weeks now.

But try to order (just don't complete the sale and enter the credit card info). You will be shown a seating map which will display available seats, handicap seating, and sold (unavailable) seats.
A quick count will show there's probably no more than 40 or 50 total seats in most theaters. This doesn't mean they shrunk the rooms, but instead every seat is a big, comfy fake leather recliner that would easily accomodate a 300 lb football player, with enough leg room that a 7 ft guy could stretch his legs out and not bother the people in front of him.
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NYC has buffoons for security. I was at the Empire state building with a day pack with the kids allergy drugs, epi pen etc and went through the metal detector. Pack went through the x ray machine much like at the airport and they confiscated my 6 inch AA mag lite but left the 4inch folder knife that was right next to it. I looked at them and said are we good? And they nodded for me to pass.
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I've found Texas3006.com pretty accurate for 30:06 and 30:07 listings.




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Usually I try to check new venues or restaurants before going to avoid ones with 30.06 notices.
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NRA convention will definitely not be a "soft target."
True, but the Convention Center routinely posts no gun signs, sometimes 30.06 and 30.07 and sometimes silly no gun signs with no legal value. Be aware of that, NRA or no NRA. It is owned by the City of Dallas and they make the rules.
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WANDED IN TEXAS, & making ridiculous speculative assumptions and insulting remarks about ALL > MOST > MANY >THE BLDG'S I WAS ACTUALLY IN that had metal detectors and what NYers believe? NO NOT TROLL LIKE AT ALL. What was the connection with NY anyway? Were you teased for wearing your chaps on the subway again?
I was merely reporting the situation as I saw it and how I felt about it.

As for NYC, I am there three or four times a year. I have gone through a host of metal detectors there so I know what I am talking about.

I have also gone there with a firearm routinely until a number of years ago (couple of decades, actually) when I almost got arrested but talked the guard out of it in a clever fashion I don't have the patience to explain but I will never carry a gun there again.

I never troll. I just tell what I see and leave it at that. I was not then nor am I now trying to create a controversy. Merely reporting is all.
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Yes, I know, but you're a lawyer. You should know that the "Devil's in the details" as it were.

I also know what your intent was here. However, especially here, you should expect some excitement over what happened. Most of us are not the type who would submit to this.

You said that you were bringing an abnormal situation to our notice, but earlier you said that this type of thing was really the norm in modern society. What we want is for this truly abnormal behavior to NOT become the norm.
I agree with Rastoff. I just am somewhat laid back about the issue but I agree with him.
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I don't mind walking through a metal detector since it's not invasive or intrusive. I would be compelled to tell the person at the gate that I do have a gun, and I would expect that to be all of it. If gun owners have to give information, then everybody should have to give information. Then I probably wouldn't go there.

I think that their actions are just to discourage people from bringing guns to their theater by upping the hassle factor and putting you on show. Bring your money, but not your guns.
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I don't mind walking through a metal detector it's not invasive or intrusive. I would be compelled to tell the person at the gate that I do have a gun, and I would expect that to be all of it. If gun owners have to give information, then everybody should have to give information. Then I probably wouldn't go there.

I think that their actions are just to discourage people from bringing guns to their theater by upping the hassle factor and putting you on show. Bring your money, but not your guns.

PS: How about just showing your carry permit?
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If you go to NYC you know that every building has a metal detector and every event has one, too. Their paranoia has no limits.
Seeing as NYC is one of, if not the top location(London, Paris,as well)in the world for terrorist activities I’d say that increased levels of security are justified.
Trying to thwart and being prepared for bombs, biological/chemical or other attacks at large gatherings is prudent, imo.
There was this event on 9/11/2001 which was preceded by another event on 02/26/1993. Maybe those, and other attempts to inflict mass casualties that were stopped, have something to do with it.

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The Annual NRA convention is in Dallas in early May.
I will be attending it.
I will also carry my concealed weapon. I have a Texas CHL.
Wonder if they will "wand" the patrons?
I am going as well and will be carrying. NRA website policy for the Convention and firearms are the same as the States.

Carry either open or concealed your choice.
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I posted in this thread earlier and simply said... no thanks. They have been after our guns for a long time and they are determined to accomplish their goal. Think about it... we fill out the forms to buy our guns...most don't think twice anymore... then background checks.... most don't think about it or even care any more...expanded background checks now ...and most say well if we must, but... then they added "certain citizens"...no fly list? mental patients....next you. Their long game is better than ours because we let them gain yardage virtually every time they try... they ask for the moon we cave and give up small increments. The old saying applies " boil a frog by slowly increasing the temp and it will not try to escape its own demise."

I say... no more... it stops now. They will not give up and neither shall I.

I took an oath to protect and defend The Constitution of The United States of America.... only God can absolve that oath. I will not voluntarily let them wand me, take my name, take my LTC number for any entertainment venue or any other reason.

I fear it will get much worse...for a long time, before it gets better. Our kids, grand kids... our country deserves more from us... our forefathers that gave their last measure expect and probably require more of us.. I, we, must defend our country from all enemies foreign or domestic.

I am not fomenting war.... but Berny Sanders drew a large voter block during the last cycle and now there are seven (7) proclaimed Socialist going to be running for political office across the country.......

My apologies... I have rambled for way too long.
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Why the reluctance to name the venue?
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It would ruin Walter Mitty's story....
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Does it really matter? It's the situation that's abhorrent. If I lived in the same city as the OP, I'd want to know. Since none here do, it's irrelevant.
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What happens to the list when they are done?

Giggle a bit when wanded, ask them to do it again -but slower and closer.
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I hope my local theatre doesn't start wanding, they might find my duty gun and badge. ; )
Growing number of places that don't mind denying cops from patronizing armed either.
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You are probably all too young to remember but there used to be a commercial on the TV for salsa that showed a bunch of Texans who if I remember correctly were disgusted to find the salsa they were eating was made in “NEW YORK CITY!!!”
Maybe I am confused but it seems the OP is saying that since this is the way they do in NYC, that it’s okay in Dallas.
I realize that a lot of people have moved to Texas from outside but it seems like things sure have changed.
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I fear... before long, Texas, will not be fit for us Texans anymore. If I remember right, 80,000 families move here from blue states every year.

Maybe Wyoming is in my future.
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I get what you are saying but isn’t it a shame that people have been so brain-washed by the paid minions of billionaire gun control advocates like Michael Bloomberg who have their own selfish agenda to take away the Arms from law abiding citizens all the while surrounded by a army of heavily armed bodyguards.
Everybody join the NRA. They’re the only thing we have working to preserve our constitutionally granted rights to bear arms.
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If they do find your gun at the metal detectors, all they can do is ask you to leave. If you dont you can be charged with trespassing.
I carry all the time. concealed is concealed. I dont advertise. and no private establishment is going to tell me "no guns.". If they do, I leave
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My wife and I go to a theater in Houston that just recently started security that wanded patrons and looking in bags.
I just happened to not be carrying the first night they did it.
Where before there was one or two police officers in the lobby there were now about eight plus security personnel. They have had signs up for a while.
My issue is, what time do they leave? Besides police directing traffic in the streets there is almost no security present in the crowds leaving.
So they think something will only happen before the event?
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I fear... before long, Texas, will not be fit for us Texans anymore. If I remember right, 80,000 families move here from blue states every year.

Maybe Wyoming is in my future.
Texas will be purple in two years, watch and see. Sad, but true. Californians in the zillions, never mind folks from NY and Illinois.

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I realize that a lot of people have moved to Texas from outside but it seems like things sure have changed
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That is not what I was saying. All I was saying is that this is becoming widespread and since so many of us fly a lot we are getting inured to it.

Plus I thought it was humorous that they literally KNEW some of us were carrying concealed and wanted to know where we sat - I admit that simply was non-offensive to me. Then, again, my house burned to the ground last week and here I am at a computer typing thoughts about security and guns and such. Basically, I am quite imperturbable in a great many ways and I don't get offended easily.

So maybe it's just me..........
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