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Old 04-13-2018, 11:08 PM
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Duly noted. Over/under: Mother's Day. I'm taking the under . . .
What odds will you give me for the day, AND TIME? How much longer til Mothers day?
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IDK, I guess "the rules" are ever changing, with a great deal of discretion on the TSA's part??? My 85 y/o (at the time) Mom in a NON tactical wheelchair had her tiny antique sewing scissors & nail clippers confiscated. I TOLD HER not to bring ANYTHING metal or sharp. She did not RESPECT MY AUTHORITY.
I remember a published story several years ago about a charter flight bringing soldiers back from the "sandbox" (combat zone). Each soldier was carrying his/her personal weapons (pistols, rifles, carbines, squad automatic weapons, etc), all unloaded of course. While passing through a stateside airport (transfer, refueling, whatever) the troops had to go through TSA screening, and the intrepid security officers proceeded to confiscate pocket knives, multi-tools, and nail clippers before allowing the armed soldiers to board the aircraft.

Common sense is not an epidemic in North America. Not even very common.
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I remember when that story surfaced. While not totally and completely disproven, that event most likely did not occur. Your telling is also far away from the original story, in which one set of nail clippers was allegedly confiscated . . .

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I remember a published story several years ago about a charter flight bringing soldiers back from the "sandbox" (combat zone). Each soldier was carrying his/her personal weapons (pistols, rifles, carbines, squad automatic weapons, etc), all unloaded of course. While passing through a stateside airport (transfer, refueling, whatever) the troops had to go through TSA screening, and the intrepid security officers proceeded to confiscate pocket knives, multi-tools, and nail clippers before allowing the armed soldiers to board the aircraft.

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True story, no BS.

My father in law flew first class shortly after 9/11. TSA confiscated his nail clipper but served him a knife with his meal.
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Old 04-15-2018, 10:21 AM
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True story, no BS.

My father in law flew first class shortly after 9/11. TSA confiscated his nail clipper but served him a knife with his meal.
I got a plastic knife from American Airlines at the end of September, 2001 . . .
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My wife flies twice a year from a airport in a military town. We have never seen a soldier even in uniform flying armed on a commercial flight.

It is common for the military to charter commercial airlines to transport soldiers as a group from the air base, in our case Pope AFB. They are fully armed, but do not go through airport security. During the time after 9-11 the news often had video reporting of soldiers departing from Pope AFB armed on either military transports, or chartered flights.

When soldiers take RR on commercial airlines I believe their weapon stays with the unit.

ETA when my stepson flew out of Pope there was equipment inspections for every flight for the unit as a whole. I don't remember him mentioning confiscation of any nail clippers.

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Old 04-15-2018, 12:17 PM
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Chuck Norris can.(sarcasm)

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IF you want to carry a tactical pen, fine. I have no problems with them. Carrying them onto an airplane, into a prison/courthouse or other restricted place, YOU may end up being the one with the problem, is all I am saying. Double edged belt buckle knives have been "discovered" too. Want to go all double naught spy? Sharpen an edge on your credit card, get a rolex with a garot, a kevlar trenchcoat, and a steel lined derby hat.
You may be missing the point that a tactical pen isn't much or any more effective than a well made steel or aluminum "regular" pen for stabbing someone in the neck, or stab them in the hand or under the arm to get them to drop a weapon. The non writing point on a tactical pen is going to be more effective as breaking safety glass.

In the big picture it makes little sense to ban specific items that are not intended to be weapons when you can make much more effective weapons out of items that are already allowed.

For example put these items in your carry on:

1) Normal butane cigarette lighter
2) Disposable razor
3) tooth brush.
4) a foot or so of duct tape.

Once on board, go to the lavatory, tape over the smoke/heat sensor (the only federal offense involved so far), break apart your disposable razor and use the lighter to heat up the handle end of your tooth brush to melt it enough to seat the razor blades in the handle.

Once it cools, you've not got a weapon that is capable of making impressive, but shallow, wounds on passengers and crew alike.

How about a rat tail comb and a common hand held pencil sharpener? 30 seconds without even leaving your seat and you'll have a weapon that is far more effective at stabbing in soft tissue than a tactical pen.

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In the end, TSA's banned items make just as much sense as banning AR-15s or guns in general. Any ban designed to prevent violence will at best only change the weapon that is used.
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Four weeks from today . . .
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