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Old 04-13-2018, 11:08 PM
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IDK, I guess "the rules" are ever changing, with a great deal of discretion on the TSA's part??? My 85 y/o (at the time) Mom in a NON tactical wheelchair had her tiny antique sewing scissors & nail clippers confiscated. I TOLD HER not to bring ANYTHING metal or sharp. She did not RESPECT MY AUTHORITY.
I remember a published story several years ago about a charter flight bringing soldiers back from the "sandbox" (combat zone). Each soldier was carrying his/her personal weapons (pistols, rifles, carbines, squad automatic weapons, etc), all unloaded of course. While passing through a stateside airport (transfer, refueling, whatever) the troops had to go through TSA screening, and the intrepid security officers proceeded to confiscate pocket knives, multi-tools, and nail clippers before allowing the armed soldiers to board the aircraft.

Common sense is not an epidemic in North America. Not even very common.
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I remember when that story surfaced. While not totally and completely disproven, that event most likely did not occur. Your telling is also far away from the original story, in which one set of nail clippers was allegedly confiscated . . .

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True story, no BS.

My father in law flew first class shortly after 9/11. TSA confiscated his nail clipper but served him a knife with his meal.
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Old 04-15-2018, 10:21 AM
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My father in law flew first class shortly after 9/11. TSA confiscated his nail clipper but served him a knife with his meal.
I got a plastic knife from American Airlines at the end of September, 2001 . . .
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My wife flies twice a year from a airport in a military town. We have never seen a soldier even in uniform flying armed on a commercial flight.

It is common for the military to charter commercial airlines to transport soldiers as a group from the air base, in our case Pope AFB. They are fully armed, but do not go through airport security. During the time after 9-11 the news often had video reporting of soldiers departing from Pope AFB armed on either military transports, or chartered flights.

When soldiers take RR on commercial airlines I believe their weapon stays with the unit.

ETA when my stepson flew out of Pope there was equipment inspections for every flight for the unit as a whole. I don't remember him mentioning confiscation of any nail clippers.

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Old 04-15-2018, 01:24 PM
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IF you want to carry a tactical pen, fine. I have no problems with them. Carrying them onto an airplane, into a prison/courthouse or other restricted place, YOU may end up being the one with the problem, is all I am saying. Double edged belt buckle knives have been "discovered" too. Want to go all double naught spy? Sharpen an edge on your credit card, get a rolex with a garot, a kevlar trenchcoat, and a steel lined derby hat.
You may be missing the point that a tactical pen isn't much or any more effective than a well made steel or aluminum "regular" pen for stabbing someone in the neck, or stab them in the hand or under the arm to get them to drop a weapon. The non writing point on a tactical pen is going to be more effective as breaking safety glass.

In the big picture it makes little sense to ban specific items that are not intended to be weapons when you can make much more effective weapons out of items that are already allowed.

For example put these items in your carry on:

1) Normal butane cigarette lighter
2) Disposable razor
3) tooth brush.
4) a foot or so of duct tape.

Once on board, go to the lavatory, tape over the smoke/heat sensor (the only federal offense involved so far), break apart your disposable razor and use the lighter to heat up the handle end of your tooth brush to melt it enough to seat the razor blades in the handle.

Once it cools, you've not got a weapon that is capable of making impressive, but shallow, wounds on passengers and crew alike.

How about a rat tail comb and a common hand held pencil sharpener? 30 seconds without even leaving your seat and you'll have a weapon that is far more effective at stabbing in soft tissue than a tactical pen.

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In the end, TSA's banned items make just as much sense as banning AR-15s or guns in general. Any ban designed to prevent violence will at best only change the weapon that is used.
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The tactical pen is a multi-tool that you can use as a striking or stabbing weapon for self-defense. With the right preparation and mindset, it can be an effective deterrent against an attacker, even if you don’t have any martial arts or self-defense training. You can use tactical pen follow some steps here: step 0: avoid the situation, step 1: assess the situation, step 2: know your target, step 3: strike, step 4: get help. Hope these steps can help you use tactical pen effectively.
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They have never questioned my two freshly-sharpened pencils...
“He once killed three men in a bar with a pencil.
With a (expletive deleted) pencil.
Who does that?”



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Good metal mechanical pencils have a finer point than a pen. That and a Sudoku puzzle book and your ready to fly.
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look at what works at the airport i am not flying
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Glad this thread got revived so I could have a laugh at the tactical pen thing.
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I always have a large padlock in my carry-on. YMMV.
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I always take a couple of regular pens which will work just as well if used properly. I also take a compact hard cover book which can be used as a blunt force weapon. I also always sit next to the isle.
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HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! A resurrected thread and it was mine as OP! Hilarious.

Kuboton. Kubotan. Who cares? It's not English from the get go!!!

I carry an aluminum pen with me when I fly. Rotring 600. It's discontinued but another company now makes the same pen for 25 bucks. Folks were paying ten times that for genuine Rotring 600s until recently. Heck, maybe they still are. But the copies are just 25 or 30 bucks. If you look it up you can see how remarkably well shaped for self defense it truly is. They handle great as pens, too!




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I have tactical pens and pens with hidden knife blades in them. I stopped carrying those onto planes after my 2018 incident noted above. I do take them with me when I travel but in checked luggage.
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Originally, right after 9/11, they were NOT allowed. I think that they were afraid some little old lady would knit an Afghan.
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TSA wanted to allow small knives, but the aircrew unions pitched a real fit.
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I take it none of y'all have tried sharpening the edge of a credit card. Done carefully you can shave with it and it's hard to notice unless looking.
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An ordinary BIC ball-point would make a good stabbing weapon.
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Although the Zebra F701 is externally all metal, it isn't internally all metal. The tip screws into a plastic liner which is a weak point. I always had issues with pens breaking while carrying in my back pocket. Thought the Zebra was the fix until it broke also. That is when I switched to the S&W pen which had a bad habit of poking holes in my pants pocket, but it was the only metal pen I ever had that never broke. I now carry a Fisher "space" pen which is short and smooth but all metal in my front pocket.

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I like those Fisher pens, but I've recently switched to Rite in the Rain All Weather pocket pens, which are cheaper and lighter (plastic case instead of metal) and can be had in blaze orange, which helps me keep track of them. They're disposable, and about $13 for a pack of two. I've yet to run one out of ink. Every Fisher pen I have has been washed, more than once (but they do still keep writing) . . .
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I find this all funny when at 6'4" and 300# I can get on an airplane with a rather large hardwood stick.
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I find this all funny when at 6'4" and 300# I can get on an airplane with a rather large hardwood stick.
Rules are rules, logic doesn't apply. The stick doesn't look menacing.
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For years tactical pens were not on the list. Now they are.

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Note however that there is no definition of what is a tactical pen. That leaves it all up to the discretion of the $15 to $17 per hour, high school educated TSA screener who may well have taken the job so he or she could have power over others.

Below are a few of the heavy duty pens I own.

The top one is made by Benchmade and it is my favorite pen. It’s short, tough as nails, writes nice, the pocket clip is strong and works very well in both shirt or jeans pockets. The carbide tip can be used as a scribe or to break an auto glass window if you need to get out in an emergency. It’ll do the same with aircraft plexiglass. It it will almost certainly be considered to be a “tactical pen” given the sharp point and blood grooves.

The next one down is a S&W heavy duty pen. The point is soft aluminum and significantly blunter than the Benchmade’s carbide tip. But the blood grooves will probably land it firmly in the “tactical pen” category.

Next up is another S&W heavy duty pen. The point is again aluminum and not al that sharp, and it’s gold colored. It’s a little less likely to be considered a “tactical pen”, but will probably end up being considered as such, especially with the knurled grip and the presence of a point, even a dull one.

Then there is my alternate favorite heavy duty pen. It’s much more elegant and pen like in appearance and it is much more likely to get a pass as a regular pen.

Last we have a Cross pen that will continue to be a pen, unless you get a TSA screener who want to be a jerk and claim any sharp pointed metal pen is “tactical”.




In all of the above cases, the odds of getting it through a TSA screen are better if the pens are both in a bag, and configured like this as pens:



The black pen second from the bottom is quite likely to breeze through a TSA checkpoint when it’s assembled this way and is in a bag.
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I take it none of y'all have tried sharpening the edge of a credit card. Done carefully you can shave with it and it's hard to notice unless looking.
Along the same lines, you can still carry duct tape, a disposable razor, a toothbrush and a Bic lighter in your carry on bag or pocket.

A terrorist could easily take all of the above in a small shaving bag to the restroom on the plane, tape over the smoke detector, snap the blades out of the disposable razor, heat the handle on the tooth brush with the lighter and insert the blades in the softened handle. Said terrorist now has a very effective slashing weapon.

In essence all the TSA regulations do is ensure that all the honest law abiding people on the plane are disarmed and far less able to resist terrorists attempting to take over a plane.

We have security theater, rather than actual security.

Actual security would require well trained TSA staff who both profile and observe passengers for any physical, emotional or psychological indicators that the individual or a group of individuals may be intending to take over or blow up a plane.

I’d feel a lot safer on a plane with a handful of terrorists if most of the other 100-200 passengers on board had tactical pens and pocket knives with 3” blades.
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We were taught in basic training (The late Ft Ord, 1964) to rip the enemy's arm off, and use it as a weapon. Fortunately, I never had a chance to test the idea.

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All the above and if I am wrong I dont believe the out of control TSA has ever nabbed anyone of significant threat. The ones I have encountered were, to put it mildly, idiots out of control. Just how much can one hide behind their watch?? JMHO
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The TSA needs to clarify the rules. A tactical pen is not a kubotan. Either ban it, or not.

As for the admonishments you advance, your only authority is the arbitrary and capricious judgment of the TSA agent. The OP did nothing wrong; your arguments are premised on non-existent authority.
Once you question a Bureaucrat the argument is no longer about whatever the rule is, it becomes about you questioning their AUTHORITY and that's an argument you'll never win.
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John Wick made it work....a pencil, he killed 3 guys, with a pencil!
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John Wick made it work....a pencil, he killed 3 guys, with a pencil!
"Who does that?"
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I was once stopped for physical inspection of my carry-on at a TSA Pre-check line.

They thought they detected a weapon with a blade tip. After rummaging through my belongings, the guy took out my gold fountain pen. He had no idea what a fountain pen was, but fortunately, the supervisor did.

There you go, use a fountain pen with very fine point but avoid 14K gold nibs (too thin and too soft to be "tactical").

Has anyone on this Forum admitted to being a "$15 to $17 per hour, high school educated TSA screener who may well have taken the job so he or she could have power over others?"

Very fitting description and I've encountered several over the years. I'd be surprised if there are no such members here.

Likewise with the "mall ninjas," I've never read about anyone here admitting to being one.
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Look what Israel has instead of the TSA. Cant post my version of what TSA means.
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Look what Israel has instead of the TSA. Cant post my version of what TSA means.
Americans wouldn't tolerate and can't afford Israeli-type airport security. Israel also has an advantage. It's a nation of about 7 million people with one international airport. The US has over 400 international airports . . .
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Per one Israeli security type I heard on a long forgotten talk show said that Americans look for guns, and Israelis look for terrorists.

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Americans wouldn't tolerate and can't afford Israeli-type airport security. Israel also has an advantage. It's a nation of about 7 million people with one international airport. The US has over 400 international airports . . .
We “blow” enough money on dumb stupid projects and programs to employ enough personnel to fill those positions. Problem is those in charge do not want such, they want the “ dictator” type situations, covid being a perfect example.
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Don't fly with your Ka-Bar Tactical Chopsticks either !!!
Yes Ka-Bar makes them ... sold as Tactical Chopsticks ... I got a four pack and you can, I guess in an altered reality , use them as a weapon ... leave at home . Heck I just wanted to eat with them .
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So, after reading all that, it’s a tsa/ people problem…not a pen / weapon issue.

I took a couple boxes of Gates 445 Supermag brass on my carry on about 6-7 years ago to my brother. Tsa woman went ballistic, got sat in the corner. Tsa manager comes over… ever loaded? Nope, brand new. Okay. Topic turned elsewhere as I had worked with him years earlier in a tool shop.
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I remember a published story several years ago about a charter flight bringing soldiers back from the "sandbox" (combat zone). Each soldier was carrying his/her personal weapons (pistols, rifles, carbines, squad automatic weapons, etc), all unloaded of course. While passing through a stateside airport (transfer, refueling, whatever) the troops had to go through TSA screening, and the intrepid security officers proceeded to confiscate pocket knives, multi-tools, and nail clippers before allowing the armed soldiers to board the aircraft.

Common sense is not an epidemic in North America. Not even very common.
My question is if they never left the secure area of the airport why would they be going through screening again?
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My question is if they never left the secure area of the airport why would they be going through screening again?
He’s probably talking about this long debunked urban legend:

Another TSA Outrage | Snopes.com
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For those of us who own tactical pens and carry them daily, it would be interesting to see how many times we’ve written with them and how many times we’ve used them to bash people. For me, it’s writing about 3,000 + times. Bashing, zero. Ink replacement, about 4. Bashing tip replacement, zero.
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