Transporting across California, Oregon & Illinois

[pwberndt]

Hi All,

In a couple of weeks, I'll be making a trip that will take me across the above states that do not recognize my Ohio CCL. I've read what I can find on their websites and plan on putting the vendor supplied lock on my 642 inside a locking box tethered under the back seat of my truck. The ammunition will be stored separately.

I'll be driving the entire length of California and just enter Oregon. Not sure about Illinois, depends on how we return to Ohio. Am I missing anything and do you have any additional recommendations? I don't want any problems while on vacation.

[bigggbbruce]

Sounds like the way to store them. But.. I am not a law enforcement official from these states.

The actual laws can be viewed online with some research.

[torizus]

In Illinois, the law is :
There is another separate law for Non-Residents
A non-resident may transport a loaded concealed handgun in a vehicle if they have a valid CCW permit in their home state. They cannot under any circumstances remove the firearm from the vehicle. If they need to exit the vehicle they must lock it or place the firearm in a locked container.

The Law
430 ILCS 66/40

[Marshal tom]

Yes, you are clearly missing the right and ability to defend yourself.Other than that I think you have it covered!

[The_Truth]

These laws are such a joke. Do you think your average violent criminal is going online to check and see the proper way to transport a firearm?

Or do you think the state wishes to consider those who do not abide by these laws "violent criminals?"

[Roller Delayed]

Originally Posted by The_Truth

These laws are such a joke. Do you think your average violent criminal is going online to check and see the proper way to transport a firearm?

Or do you think the state wishes to consider those who do not abide by these laws "violent criminals?"

If the laws governing what someone without a CCL needs to do are a joke, then CCLs are a joke.

Laws generally only prevent illegal behavior by offering a penalty if you are caught - which works pretty well for people that aren't willing to go to prison in the first place.


Laws do not prevent suicidal people (for instance) from doing anything as they have nothing to lose.

[ISCS Yoda]

EEK! I feel your pain!

One word of caution - in the event that you are stopped by a police officer do not volunteer the existence of the secured weapon. If asked do not lie. If you are not asked do not bring it up.

[serger]

Check put the Firearm Owners Protection Act FOPA
" Safe Passage" provision.

[Mcfoto]

In Oregon, the above precautions you propose work. Unfortunately, we do not recognize any other states CCL while 11 other states recognize ours (but none that border us).

[Rastoff]

Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda

One word of caution - in the event that you are stopped by a police officer do not volunteer the existence of the secured weapon. If asked do not lie. If you are not asked do not bring it up.

This is good advice, unless that particular state has a mandatory declaration requirement; CA does not.

In CA the gun must be unloaded and locked in a container that completely encloses the gun and is locked with a key or combination lock. The ammo does NOT need to be separate from the gun, but for the gun to be unloaded, there must be no round in the chamber and no ammo in the magazine. You can have a loaded magazine in the same box, it just can't be inserted into the gun.

What the OP described is overkill for CA, but will be a legal form of transport.

I should also note that it is legal to have your gun in any temporary dwelling. This includes hotels, motels, tents, friend's house, etc.

[Borderboss]

Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda

EEK! I feel your pain!

One word of caution - in the event that you are stopped by a police officer do not volunteer the existence of the secured weapon. If asked do not lie. If you are not asked do not bring it up.

This is good advice for Illinois. Illinois law does not require the CCL holder reveal to the LEO that they're carrying a gun or even that there's a gun in the vehicle.

[bigggbbruce]

Originally Posted by The_Truth

These laws are such a joke. Do you think your average violent criminal is going online to check and see the proper way to transport a firearm?

Or do you think the state wishes to consider those who do not abide by these laws "violent criminals?"

Drop into the District of Columbia, leave a single spent 22 case in the vehicle and see what happens if they find it.

[murphydog]

Have a look at handgunlaw.us, they have current information and one of the principals is on the Forum regularly with updates. Safe travels and watch out for L.A. rush hour, now expanded to 24 daily .

[bigggbbruce]

Originally Posted by murphydog

Safe travels and watch out for L.A. rush hour, now expanded to 24 daily .

30 years ago as a truck driver I'd head over the Grapevine and drop onto the 405 at 2am.. looked like 4:30pm rush hour then..

[ispcapt]

Originally Posted by Borderboss

This is good advice for Illinois. Illinois law does not require the CCL holder reveal to the LEO that they're carrying a gun or even that there's a gun in the vehicle.

Not completely accurate.
In IL one does not have to immediately declare they are armed but if asked they are required to notify if they are armed and where the firearm is located. During a traffic stop this applies not only to the driver but to all occupants of the vehicle. This applies whether asked by the police or by any emergency services personnel.
430 ILCS 66/10(h)
If an officer of a law enforcement agency initiates an investigative stop, including but not limited to a traffic stop, of a licensee or a non-resident carrying a concealed firearm under subsection (e) of Section 40 of this Act, upon the request of the officer the licensee or non-resident shall disclose to the officer that he or she is in possession of a concealed firearm under this Act, or present the license upon the request of the officer if he or she is a licensee or present upon the request of the officer evidence under paragraph (2) of subsection (e) of Section 40 of this Act that he or she is a non-resident qualified to carry under that subsection. The disclosure requirement under this subsection (h) is satisfied if the licensee presents his or her license to the officer or the non-resident presents to the officer evidence under paragraph (2) of subsection (e) of Section 40 of this Act that he or she is qualified to carry under that subsection. Upon the request of the officer, the licensee or non-resident shall also identify the location of the concealed firearm and permit the officer to safely secure the firearm for the duration of the investigative stop. During a traffic stop, any passenger within the vehicle who is a licensee or a non-resident carrying under subsection (e) of Section 40 of this Act must comply with the requirements of this subsection (h).

[EdinDenver]

I have a couple of rental properties in Evansville, Indiana - it's a 19 hour drive (or so) from Denver across I-70. Westbound, you can stop at a rest area and do what you need to do to be legal, then once you get out of Illinois, you can do the same. A couple of years ago, the Eastbound side rest area before entering Illinois was closed. Be aware of that possibility.

Being from Colorado, with Colorado plates, the police automatically assume that the driver is transporting pot. I know this, I know I'm going to get pulled over. It's cool - I don't smoke pot and I have no problem being transparent.

I was pulled over on the way home on I-70 not too far outside of Ferguson, MO for "following too close". I was in the fast lane, there was a Black Ford Bronco unmarked car in the median. Folks were hitting their brakes as they passed him - I took my foot off the pedal (I was in a F-350 Quad Cab). I had both dogs in the car - I shut the truck off, opened the back window, opened the front windows (it's a 4 door truck) to let the officer know I was friendly. I also have the habit of pulling the keys out of the ignition and putting them on the dash when I get pulled over. Dogs starting going nuts (I have a blue heeler that thinks the truck is his) - he lunged at the window in the back and actually popped the top part of it out of the track so I asked the officer if I could step out and he agreed. I took my keys, put them in my front pocket, and I met the officer at the back of the truck - he chewed me out for "following too close". He asked me for my license. I pulled out the license and my CCW handed them to him, and told him there were two loaded concealed weapons in the truck. He chewed me out again for "following too close". I had two job site boxes in the back of the truck (orange Ridgid boxes). He asked what I was doing. I explained I had two rental properties in Evansville and I had spent the week out there, I was on the way back. He chewed me out again for "following too close"...then he said "where were you hunting". I explained to him that I wasn't hunting, was in Evansville working on the rental houses and the orange job site boxes had my tools in them (which they did). He said "That's a lot of tools". I pulled my keys out of my pocket and offered them to him and said "you are more than welcome to take a look". Then he chewed me out for the window being out of track and "about to fall out". I walked to the other side of the truck to take a look, looked at the window, turned back toward the officer, and he and his partner had left.

Window was fine - rolled it down, it popped back into track, then rolled it back up.

Nothing like a good ole fashioned shakedown LOL.

[pwberndt]

Like the title says; Thank You to all that replied. I will be better prepared should I get stopped or otherwise have to respond during vacation. I'm very happy that most of the states I'll be going through honor my CCW.

I've looked at the different state laws & appreciate the additional links & information.

Ohio honors all state CCW's while several do not honor Ohio's. It is something that I don't understand, yet there are many illogical things that I don't understand and have to live with. I no longer go to or through some places, including Chicago, a city I love, because too many areas have become war zones.

[Borderboss]

Originally Posted by ispcapt

Not completely accurate.
In IL one does not have to immediately declare they are armed but if asked they are required to notify if they are armed and where the firearm is located.

That's true, but I never said it wasn't true. You do not need to volunteer that you're carrying. But if asked, of course you should answer truthfully. That's true for any question the LEO asks.

[murphydog]

"Ohio honors all state CCW's while several do not honor Ohio's. It is something that I don't understand, yet there are many illogical things that I don't understand and have to live with."

There was a recent thread here on state laws about magazine capacity and why the magic number for some was 10 when standard capacity for many popular models is 17. My comment was such laws are a good indication of where you might not want to live and the same answer applies here. Choose wisely.

[Rastoff]

Originally Posted by pwberndt

Ohio honors all state CCW's while several do not honor Ohio's.

It was not always thus. In fact, I believe this is only about 2 years old. Then again, we shouldn't need a license at all, but that's for another thread.

[litauer]

Illinois does not play nice with anybody.Never has.

[Walkingwolf]

Originally Posted by litauer

Illinois does not play nice with anybody.Never has.

I would not trust that all officers in Illinois are adequately trained. Even if a bad arrest for firearm possession is overturned, it will still cost to get the gun back, and towing, and impound fees of the vehicle, plus probably attorney costs. Legal CC is relatively new to IL, and a good number of LEO's may not have gotten the memo. I would not even trust using LEOSA status in IL, if I go there I will unload, lock the gun up, and carry other forms of self defense.

[ispcapt]

Originally Posted by Walkingwolf

I would not trust that all officers in Illinois are adequately trained. Even if a bad arrest for firearm possession is overturned, it will still cost to get the gun back, and towing, and impound fees of the vehicle, plus probably attorney costs. Legal CC is relatively new to IL, and a good number of LEO's may not have gotten the memo. I would not even trust using LEOSA status in IL, if I go there I will unload, lock the gun up, and carry other forms of self defense.

And you know this how? I bet you read it on the internet therefore it has to be true. Maybe some accurate info might be helpful instead of the same old incorrect information repeated and embellished.
1) IL requires legal update training for all LEOs. Not only is annual CLE required but daily updates for new laws and court opinions are pushed down to every dept every day. With computers in squads whenever a LEO turns on his computer he can get all the new laws and court cases that have been implemented as recent as the day before. Most states do not do anything even closely resembling any of that.
2) There are 10 Mobile Training Units in the state of IL operated by the IL LE Training and Standards Board. Training is constantly being held by each of these MTUs around the state. Any officer of any dept can attend any of these courses. After CCW and LEOSA was passed those MTUs conducted training on both.
3) When CCW was passed in IL the IL Attorney General sent immediate notification to every dept in the state to be pushed down to every officer. In addition every state's attorney in the state (102 counties) pushed down to every dept the same info. In many counties the state's attorney conducted mandatory training for all LEOs on CCW law.
4) As far as LEOSA IL was way ahead of every other state getting the statewide program implemented. Before LEOSA was federal law a statewide bill was introduced into the legislature which mirrored what LEOSA says. The legislature was out of session during the summer and the bill was to be voted on during the fall session. There was almost universal support for the bill which assured its passage and the governor had already said he would sign it the day the legislature passed it.
After LEOSA was passed IL immediately created a committee of LE, state's attorney's, IL AG, and the USA's office to get the program going so every officer could get qualified to comply with LEOSA. I was part of that initial committee. Many states have copied IL's LEOSA program. What was implemented was if you are a retiree and your former dept will not qualify you, or you're a retiree who moved to IL and don't know any dept that will qualify you, you can contact IROCC, which is run under the IL LE Training and Standards Board, and IROCC will set you up with the nearest qualification site and then issue you the certification that you have completed the shooting requirement. Few states have such a program. In those states you're on your own to find a qualification site.
Sounds like IL LEOs are trained and they know about LEOSA. Just because someone says otherwise on the internet doesn't make it so. It only means they don't have a clue what they're talking about but like to repeat erroneous rumors.

[Walkingwolf]

Yea that training is soooo good that some police still go ballistic even after the SCOTUS ruled several years ago. Every state has a small percentage of cops poorly trained, or some that are wayyy over the top. Illinois is no exception.

If I am not mistaken a police officer in Chicago was just convicted for violating a 1985 supreme court decision. This is not an indication of all officers in Il, only a few ignore the SCOTUS rulings, very few. But until the public, and government in Il respects the constitution like most states I personally would not risk carrying. My life, my money, my freedom, my choice, no need to get insensitive over MY choices.

[BSA1]

Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda

One word of caution - in the event that you are stopped by a police officer do not volunteer the existence of the secured weapon. If asked do not lie. If you are not asked do not bring it up.

A second word of caution is under NO circumstances consent to a search of your vehicle and belongings.

Refusing to do so may not stop the Officer from searching your vehicle. However it will be a good issue to be raised by your attorney if you are arrested and go to trial. The burden of proof for legal reason for conducting the search will be on the Officer.

If you consent to the search you remove the need for the Officer to explain to the satisfaction of the Court the reason for the search.

[ispcapt]

Originally Posted by Walkingwolf

Yea that training is soooo good that some police still go ballistic even after the SCOTUS ruled several years ago. Every state has a small percentage of cops poorly trained, or some that are wayyy over the top. Illinois is no exception.

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If I am not mistaken a police officer in Chicago was just convicted for violating a 1985 supreme court decision. This is not an indication of all officers in Il, only a few ignore the SCOTUS rulings, very few. But until the public, and government in Il respects the constitution like most states I personally would not risk carrying. My life, my money, my freedom, my choice, no need to get insensitive over MY choices.

Not an indication of anything. One case is not even an example. There are court cases from all over the country. Your one example doesn't tell anything.
Please explain your extensive indepth knowledge of LE training in IL and other states as comparison. I assume you've been intimately involved in LE training in IL and elsewhere to know so much about it. Or most likely not. The internet is a wonderful thing. It can turn someone who doesn't have a clue about a topic into an instant expert.

[Doug M.]

One: Don't do stupid stuff that gets you stopped.
Two: Make sure your paperwork (registration and proof of insurance) is well organized, and that very little of any other nature is in the glove compartment or wherever you keep it.
Three: Do not remove your seat belt and attempt to get the paperwork until the officer has given you the once over look and tells you they need it.
Four: Do exactly what you are told, and nothing else. If you start to do something really dumb, like open your door and try to get out, expect immediate harsh feedback.
Five: Volunteer nothing when you are not actually carrying.
Six: Make darned sure that the manner and place at which you carry your wallet/DL is not at all consistent with a drawing motion.
Seven: Keep your doors locked at all times except to pass through them, like when pumping gas.
Eight: NEVER EVER consent to a search. Understand that the route you are describing is constant with drug courier routing, so you may get extra attention. Don't make it worthwhile.

Nine: Enjoy the trip. I've done many similar without any difficulty - it is not hard. California, although it is a huge boil on the posterior of our country, is pretty. The trip on I80 is especially so.

[Ziggy2525]

Originally Posted by ispcapt

Not an indication of anything. One case is not even an example.
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No dog in the fight, but it is an indication of something. It demonstrates unprofessional behavior by a single LEO. The unprofessional behavior is an indication of poor training and poor supervision. Whether it’s in IL or elsewhere. And one case is an example. Only one, but it’s still an example.

[Walkingwolf]

Originally Posted by Ziggy2525

No dog in the fight, but it is an indication of something. It demonstrates unprofessional behavior by a single LEO. The unprofessional behavior is an indication of poor training and poor supervision. Whether it’s in IL or elsewhere. And one case is an example. Only one, but it’s still an example.

Exactly one example is one too many, but there are several, including the convicted in Chicago for a shooting that was in error of Tennessee V Garner. One never knows when one will run into one of these single individuals. For me it is just not worth it, while traveling highway speeds I will almost never need a firearm. As long as I use good common sense I will likely not need one when I am out of the vehicle. Also I did not try to post more than one case as I am not bashing, just pointing out that the training is not what some claim. I was a LEO in IL, some officers never showed up for department firearm qualification let alone any extra. Officers go for years without updates, especially part time officers, or very small departments. There was a captain in a central IL dept that thought it was funny to point his gun at other officers. Clearly he was poorly trained with firearms safety.

Also a big problem is the State machine(government) mostly controlled by the large cities that have always had a disdain for gun owners, they often are not trained and give orders some police officers may feel obliged to follow them. In NC the legislature is the opposite when it comes to gun rights. Even in the large cities law abiding gun owners are respected, incidents are rare.

One of the big problems in any state is a very small percentage that cannot contain their emotions. This makes carrying a danger for the law abiding citizen. But police officers are human, and sometimes have weak moments just like people on the internet do. I try not to judge to harshly, but that does not mean I am willing to risk my freedom, my wallet, or my life.

[ispcapt]

Originally Posted by Ziggy2525

No dog in the fight, but it is an indication of something. It demonstrates unprofessional behavior by a single LEO. The unprofessional behavior is an indication of poor training and poor supervision. Whether it’s in IL or elsewhere. And one case is an example. Only one, but it’s still an example.

The example provided is 1 example of just 1 person. Nothing more. 800,000 cops in the US and it's only 1. You should have seen all the stupid stuff I encountered in my career that people did. You wouldn't have a clue about it or believe what stupid stuff people do. Is that an indication of all people? Nope, just what 1 stupid person chose to do. I'm sure if all your acquaintances were contacted they could easily come up with all the stupid stuff you've done. But that doesn't mean your acquaintances were equally as stupid just because you did stupid stuff.

My point still is that walkingwolf's 'belief' that IL cops are not trained or maintain training is totally wrong. He doesn't have a clue if that's what he thinks.

[Walkingwolf]

I repeat, not all cops are well trained, even though most probably are. It only takes one to ruin a life. I repeat again, it is my choice if I carry, and when. Illinois has always been anti gun, they were forced by a judge to pass a CC law. I have no doubt that if the ruling could be reversed there would no longer be CC. Il just passed a law where FFL dealers NOW have to also have a state license. In most states antique firearms are treated as antique, they are required to follow the same hoops as firearms in IL. Suburb of Chicago outlawed so called assault rifles. Prior to the SCOTUS ruling IL police made numerous arrests for video taping police in public, a clear violation of the United States constitution.

Since there is not a list of who might violate my rights, I respectfully keep my choices. I do not push my choices on others, I think John Wayne had quote in the movie Shootist that conveyed that.

[ispcapt]

Originally Posted by Walkingwolf

I repeat, not all cops are well trained, even though most probably are. It only takes one to ruin a life. I repeat again, it is my choice if I carry, and when. Illinois has always been anti gun, they were forced by a judge to pass a CC law. I have no doubt that if the ruling could be reversed there would no longer be CC. Il just passed a law where FFL dealers NOW have to also have a state license. In most states antique firearms are treated as antique, they are required to follow the same hoops as firearms in IL. Suburb of Chicago outlawed so called assault rifles. Prior to the SCOTUS ruling IL police made numerous arrests for video taping police in public, a clear violation of the United States constitution.

Since there is not a list of who might violate my rights, I respectfully keep my choices. I do not push my choices on others, I think John Wayne had quote in the movie Shootist that conveyed that.

Since you apparently have little knowledge of the political workings of IL I'll explain. Chicagoland controls all of the state. To say "Illinois has always been anti gun" is simply not true. Chicagoland has a history of being anti-gun, not Illinois. Altho I realize people in Chicago and people from around the US think IL is Chicago and have no clue about the rest of the state. If you tell someone from around the US that you're from IL the very first thing they reply is something like "I couldn't live in Chicago" or "I love Chicago". Totally clueless.
I guess I don't get an answer to my question about your extensive knowledge of LEO training in IL or any other state. Or I guess I did get an answer - a non-answer.

[Walkingwolf]

Originally Posted by ispcapt

Since you apparently have little knowledge of the political workings of IL I'll explain. Chicagoland controls all of the state. To say "Illinois has always been anti gun" is simply not true. Chicagoland has a history of being anti-gun, not Illinois. Altho I realize people in Chicago and people from around the US think IL is Chicago and have no clue about the rest of the state. If you tell someone from around the US that you're from IL the very first thing they reply is something like "I couldn't live in Chicago" or "I love Chicago". Totally clueless.
I guess I don't get an answer to my question about your extensive knowledge of LEO training in IL or any other state. Or I guess I did get an answer - a non-answer.

Politics is not up for discussion. Jan 2017 USDOJ announced they found Chicago PD had a pattern of civil rights violations, THAT IS a training, and supervision issue on a large scale. The violations had nothing to do with the subject we are not supposed to discuss.

[delcrossv]

Hi, I live in the Chicago 'burbs. So here's my take on what it's like to be pulled over as a CCL holder (twice).

1st time, (and just so you realize it, CCL's are tagged to your plate). Had an expired tag. Officer was "extraordinarily" polite. And, of course, so was I. Didn't ask if I was carrying and was apologetic about giving me a ticket. Got a dismissal in court ('cause I bought my tag).

2nd time, made the mistake of not going handsfree on the phone. Officer asked if I was carrying and we had a nice conversation about firearms choices. Got a warning.

Note, I'm now much more circumspect about where my hands are when the officer comes up to the car. No need to make anyone nervous.

So, at least in my experience the jackbooted thugs aren't in evidence in Illinois.

[Doug M.]

Originally Posted by Walkingwolf

Jan 2017 USDOJ announced they found Chicago PD had a pattern of civil rights violations, THAT IS a training, and supervision issue on a large scale. The violations had nothing to do with the subject we are not supposed to discuss.

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Chicago is its own entity, and chock full of weird. They have their own academy, and I have reason to believe it is not what it should be. (I finished my BS Ed. at U/Illinois, and my law degree, too, and graduated from what was then the best academy in the state and one of the best in the country, the Police Training Institute at UIUC. Much less of the useless chicken feces than the place in Springfield, and higher academic standards. At this moment I am at my co-author's house in Champaign, and he has done a lot of teaching and consulting in this state, retiring from PTI some years back.) I saw a broad variety of officers as a prosecutor (downstate), so I have some idea of what I saying. (Not to take a poke at "ispcapt" - now that I live and work in Washington (almost 26 years, after 14+ in the Champaign area), I can say with confidence that the ISP are light years ahead of WSP.

DOJ: While I sure that CPD has ample warts, DOJ/OCR is not even allowed to employ people who know anything about/have experience in non-federal LE the last I knew, and that organization is not even close to credible on most issues. Living near Seattle, which is under a "consent decree" based on what most knowledgable people consider to have been fabricated, and not properly assessed due to malpractice by the vehemently anti-LE City Attorney, I am well aware of the realties of the damage done by DOJ/OCR.

Case law: The officer was not conviction of violating any case. That is not possible. Case law sets a civil standard only. The officer was convicted of violating the Illinois State law as amended after Garner.

[bigl1911]

This is such an interesting post. I will have to respond twice - one about LEO the next about traveling in Cali. Living in Cali all my life I've had extensive experiences with police officers. When I was younger in the 70's G-d knows i have a chip on my shoulder and no one was going to tell me what to do starting with you are out after hours go home. Some of my best lessons about life have come from a police officer and as a general statement in a good way. It starts with the lesson we should have been learned in kindergarten. Be respectful to others, kind and be polite. I have learned never to judge a police officer starting with the fact they deal with the worst of the worst. I get to enjoy my life while they are out there taking a bullet. I can tolerate a once in a while *****-isum for this tradeoff. Most of the time I get pulled over (very rare nowadays) more times than not it is a good experience and pleasurable conversation. I know or have learned how to behave properly. I have many funny police encounters, but to be fair to the thread I will mention only one. About 6 years ago when my mother was still here, I took here to a dinner party near the 9000 block on the Sunset Strip. My mother was a little woman about 5" and to no ones surprise she was a collector of many things. The event was a bunch of elderly art collectors having dinner on Sat night. At 54 I was her chauffeur at the time driving my now passed on beautiful E55 2002 Mercedes. We pulled out on the way home heading east on Sunset with a massive traffic jam west direction. As I pulled on to Strip I was driving center of the two east bound lanes. Reason all the crazy traffic and all the crazies parked on the west bound side. I was pulled over. The officer came around the left side of the car seriously agitated and pissed standing behind my window with one hand tightly on the pistol grip (I have no idea what he was dealing with prior to me). What I assume he saw was a nice car big bald monster driving from behind and some "piece" in the passengers side. I won't repeat what he said beyond your driving in the center of the road and where are you coming from. In a nonthreatening manner with both hands on the wheel I told him I was taking my mother to dinner for her birthday (true) and a party and I must be tired since i was driving up the center of the two lanes. He said. "Your Mother"?? in a shocked tone and stepped forward to look over me with a confused glance. He found a well dress little old lady in the passengers seat who turned to look at him and off the cuff said, "Yes, I am his mother this is my birthday and I am 89 years thank you very much"! The officer in shock said 89 years old? The two of them spent the next 30 minutes with the officer standing in the middle of Sunset blvd at 2:00 am on a Saturday night talking over me and laughing about who knows what with my mother. What a great moment.

[bigl1911]

Speaking as a guy from the hated State of Cali, I run into very little gun related problems. In fact, I found great collectables here. So while those of you hate us for living around the anti-gun crowd, I have found some great stuff here and transport regularly! How you transport a firearm in California from an LEO point of view varies. I go to the furthest extreme possible. Firearms in a locked case(s). All magazines empty not loaded (what a officer does not want is the ops for you to grab a loaded magazine and a pistol quickly - they don;t ant you losing cool and acting stupid). Not required I lock my ammo in a hard case. Everything in the trunk ammo on one side guns on the other with the truck mechanically LOCKED.

[CA Escapee]

As of January 1, 2018 it would be illegal for you to bring ammo into the state of California according to Prop 63.

You can buy it there until July 1 of this year. After that non-residents can’t buy it in the state.

Bill