Spend hundreds of dollars for insurance against a 0.00025 percent chance.

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I've still got it made.

You mean like when they bought their carry gun in the first place?

Nope.

2% chance. 8,000 times higher.

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I've still got it made.

So what is the 0.00025 percent chance you are referring to?

The chance of a gun owner having to actually shoot someone.

Guns are used for defense millions of times without shots being fired.

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I've still got it made.

That's immaterial to this thread though.

This thread is about what happens when there are shots fired and your gun is taken in as evidence. So the stats you cite are pointless because that threshold has already been crossed.

It doesn't matter how many millions of times a gun is used in defense and not fired, nor does it matter what the stats are on gun usage. The given of the topic is that you have already shot and the gun is taken in evidence.

Once your gun is taken, you are now unarmed.

I think the post-shooting time period is the wrong time to try to arm yourself all over again.

Wut?

The thread is Sheriff's Tips: Don’t Buy Expensive Defense Guns?

It's about buying and carrying, not about 'already shot and the gun is taken in evidence.'

Where'd you even get that?

The answer to the sheriff's question is, "Don't worry about it."

Several comments foment paranoia.

In fact, the sheriffs answer is:

'Does this mean that you need to run out and spend $3,000 to $4,000, or more, for a super custom gun? Absolutely not. But you should buy and carry the best quality handgun that you can possibly afford. That is just as important as getting the best defensive training that you can afford.

When the lives of you and your family are at stake, going cheap is just not really a good idea.'

He agrees with me, but for a different reason. He says it's your life we're talking about. I say there is virtually no chance you are going to have to shoot somebody.

Carry what you like. And don't worry about it.

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I've still got it made.

I carry what I like, and what works well(reliable). When I park my 9 year old ford explorer in the grocery store parking lot next to the 2018 porsche...."I say to myself, thats a nice porsche, I'd be afraid to park it here and get it dented by shopping carts". The owner of that car probably likes the car alot, but isn't afraid to use it and show it off....same with guns, if you can afford a les baer or nighthawk custom, then go for it!

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Lots of good comments here. My primary carry gun was always my service weapon because our department always issued another if i used it. Now retired, i carry the same as i was issued, glocks and j frames, excellent weapons for that purpose. If i have to defend myself with my late father's heirloom hand ejector coming home from the range, I will be glad if and when I prevail. If I don't, I won't know. When they take it for evidence and I am still here, I am comforted by the fact that I did as my father taught me and grateful for the gift of the gun. Sorry for being long winded. I love my guns, but I love what they protect far, far more.

How many of those guns end up in evidence?

Three hundred and twenty eight.

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I've still got it made.

I use a 1/2 Starved mother-in law fer my defense , nobody has attacked me yet!

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Rimfires Makes me "Insane"

If you are in a fight and win, losing the gun is not a problem. You are alive and can always get another gun. And if you lose, you really won't care about the gun, unless you lost because the gun failed, in which case your last few words will send you to hell anyways.

ITs a very valid point especially in Kalif. Many guns have dropped off the DOJ list so if yours gets taken for evidence, maybe never returned, you will never be able to replace it. So I have gone to ccw a Glock in one variant or another. They will likely always be on the list & easily/affordably replaced.

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Unpublished CDC Study Confirms over 2 Million Annual Defensive Gun Uses

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I've still got it made.

Fake news. "Unpublished", no source.

The source was the CDC. You have reading comprehension problems?

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I've still got it made.

Click the link for the "CDC findings"...no such file on server.

SSRN Electronic Library

"SSRN Abstract Database Search Results
The abstract you requested was not found.
Please check your search criteria and try again."

...still ain't got it made.

That's the link to the Kleck paper, Einstein.

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I've still got it made.

Those who used the rebate to buy a Shield (or two) for $370 out the door probably didn’t even bother to read this thread.

Like, who is ever going to need that silly reserve parachute anyway.

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I would like to believe no members of this forum will be arrested for a capital crime.

Unfortunately, the article says that paper is based on the
nonexistent, unpublished CDC paper.

Perhaps they will even find guns that don't belong to you.

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Expect the unexpected

NRA-ILA | CDC Kept Quiet on Data Showing Americans Regularly Use Firearms for Self-Defense

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I've still got it made.

Well, I know of at least one fairly recent and very unfortunate incident . . .

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

I can replace my EDC with a new one for under $400 so no big deal.

I chose the one I have because its simple, doesn't jam, its light, easy to carry and conceal.

And I'm fairly proficient with it - especially within 25 ft.

ALLEGEDLY/THEORETICALY, the judge told a friend he had to sell a particular gun. No mention of the other guns he owned, or buying the original gun in question back later.

It says "unpublished," not non-existent. I have several unpublished manuscripts for novels. That doesn't make them non-existent.

Still no study.

That page says "there's supposed to be a study, and maybe CDC didn't
like what it showed, maybe, so they hid it, maybe?".

If you ever find the study, see if it includes a "reported to LE, Yes/No?"
and "Firearm Taken Into Evidence Yes/No" fields.


If someone uses a firearm to prevent/stop/de-escalate a criminal event,
and no one reports it to LE, the firearm used will not end up
"in evidence" (not from that incident, anyway), and it's irrelevant to the thread topic.

It's unstated, but implicit that for a firearm to end up in the
evidence locker, LE must be aware of the incident.

I can't 'like' this post. But its true. Hopefully its the exception that proves the rule.

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Certified Curmudgeon

Common sense tells you not to carry an irreplaceable antique, family heirloom, or something similar. Common sense also tells you to carry the type of gun that you are most comfortable and proficient with, and to carry a the best quality example you can afford. It does not tell you to force yourself to use a Glock, Shield, XDs because they're "disposable" and easily replaced.

I've owned Glocks, and Shields, and an XDs or two, and I've carried them. I don't like them. I like 1911s and S&W revolvers, I'm comfortable with them, well versed in their use, and shoot them well, so those are the guns I carry. Are they more expensive? In most cases, yes, and the ones I have are all customized to some degree so there is added cost but it is all relative. The guns I carry are still replaceable, it may cost me more to replace the Alchemy Custom Springfield I usually carry but I'm confident that if I were to lose it forever to some legal black hole after defending myself with it, Rob would do another one for me. And, I have others to carry while one is tied up.


As to the condition of a gun left in an evidence room, the police are charged with the task of preserving evidence. Leaving a gun in a damp area to rust, or repeatedly tossing it from one pile or shelf or closet to another is just as likely to destroy evidence as anything else. Preserving evidence means caring for it in a manner that keeps it in the same condition as it was found in. However, let's assume that a gun is going to have 'scars' from it's stay in custody. So what? Clean it up and put it back in to service if that is what you want to do. I guarantee that you're not going to be quite the same after the ordeal, either, but you'll work through it and move on.

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Don't kiss smiling dogs!

I guess in my case at least if I had to shoot a person and it would be a have to as I am a walk away from trouble if you can sort of guy . I mean fellas we are talking about a serious thing ( taking a human life ) even if you had to .I don't know if I would want the firearm I used as anyway .Seems it would be a reminder of something I personaly would want to forget. I know a couple of guys who as police officers had to and they are pretty tuff guys but nether of em talk about it much and when they do it's not like yea I put that guy down its more like , man I wish he would have just dropped that knife it was so senseless . I doubt if I would care much about the gun .

My carry and nightstand pistols are well made, reliable, plastic and replaceable.

I give no thought to what happens to them if they are relinquished to the authorities.

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