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Poll: Appendix Carry
I’m interested in attitudes toward AIWB.
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I do it every time I carry. M&P 9c get 1 with a g code holster.
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Yep AIWB, ALWAYS. SO many reasons why: the mechanics of having to move your arm and shoulder ALL the way back, to get your pistol at 3,4,5:00. I have complete tears in the Rotator Cuffs in both shoulders, NO WAY am I'm gonna reach back there every time. AIWB is WAY less stress on you: Weapon retention: X times more secure at Appendix, than behind you: Faster, less noticeable to get to your gun( which is a real requirement, many times)....
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(Well, pocket from time to time.)
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How about a fifth poll option: Sometimes.
AIWB works well when the situation (clothing) make it the best option but I do have some trepidation about an oopsy daisy moment when carrying AIWB as it could be devastating. Front pocket is my most frequent mode of carry but when the situation (clothing) allows 3-4 o'clock OWB is preferred.
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How about a fifth poll option: Sometimes.
AIWB works well when the situation (clothing) make it the best option but I do have some trepidation about an oopsy daisy moment as it could be devastating. Front pocket is my most frequent mode of carry but when the situation (clothing) allows 3-4 o'clock OWB is preferred.
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Hnmm so you're not concerned about a "oopsy daisy" in the pocket?
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For me, not comfortable.
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I appendix carry every day. My 640 Pro tucks under my rib cage just fine, making it easy to conceal. For me it feels natural, as well as having a quicker draw than other options.
Additionally, I'm strongly right side dominant, but deaf in my right ear - that leaves me both deaf & blind in the 3:00 - 5:00 positions. If you can't hear people approaching you from that angle, perhaps its a poor location for a carry gun.
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IWB, in the general vicinity of the appendix. Because reaching behind is slower.
Shield .40, G27 or G29, top m.e. Underwood loads.
Similar discussion: Just curious..Where do you carry "MOST OFTEN"
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I appreciate the comments both as to why and why not. I have seen in previous polls that AIWB is one of the least common carry locations.
Perhaps that’s because modern guns in modern holsters have made AIWB a relatively new (even though old) option. The renewed emphasis on AIWB seems to have begun about 7-8 years ago, and most competition shooting and some training facilities still do not allow it.
About three years ago I listened to both pros & cons for about six months. Got a good holster and gave it a try. I’ll never go back.
I carried in Thunderwear for almost 20 years when I wore a suit to work. I added a folded piece of plastic inside the holster pouch to protect the trigger and only carried compacts with DAO triggers. Never had a problem.
AIWB is just an elevated form of T’wear carry, allowing me to pack a larger, striker fired gun even more safely and conveniently. I still use T’wear when I can’t use a covering garment for a 9mm Shield.
We can run another thread extolling the virtues and perceived disadvantages, but I’ll say this unequivocally: with a proper holster setup, I have no fear of shooting my junk, a leg, or my butt when carrying AIWB. I have yet to hear of a documented instance of the feared junk shot with modern holster AIWB carry.
Interestingly, longer AIWB holsters with a foam wedge at the bottom are comfortable and do not point at my privates. I can see a clear path into the holster, and I tip my hips forward a bit when I holster to make sure the muzzle is nowhere near flesh. I feel very safe.
For those who have a negative perception, it would be interesting to know if they seriously tried it or fear it because of what others (who also may not have tried it) say. It does not work well with some body types and some really short barreled guns (with short holsters). Floppy belts that allow the gun to tip are a no-go.
Let’s hear what you know. Thanks.
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I carry AIWB quite a bit. The old Safariland has seen use since around 1976 and has been restitched a few times. I like the spring steel clip as it is very secure. I've had the DeSantis 106 02 J-frame rig for about a year and have not used it much because of the poor clip design. Even though it is adjustable, the pivot point is not placed properly; it should pivot right at the bottom between the stitching to allow for a proper cant. It also needs to be wet-formed for better retention, as my M438 is wayyy too loose in it. As it is, it is not very comfortable, or safe... which I plan to correct soon.
The black holster is a prototype that I designed and stitched up (wet-formed, boned and dyed) a few weeks ago for multi high-ride OWB carry positions. It has about a 12 degree cant for a comfortable cross-draw and AOWB use. It also carries quite well at 3 and 4 o'clock. It has turned out to be ideal for the J-frame, at least for me. Concealability and access is great while wearing a loose T-shirt and an unbuttoned collared shirt or light jacket. I like this holster so much that I will probably make a few more for myself (with probably a slight modification to the leather profile at the bottom) and am thinking about doing a small run of them for possible sale.
I'll also be working up a few more conceal designs, both IWB and OWB for my Shield, XDs and Firestars. They won't be fancy, but they will be effective designs.
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The holster below is a Gibson Covert IWB by Ken Null. As you can see it
is canted ideally for appendix carry. I don't carry the Colt's Agent in it
every day, but there are "occasions". BTW those extended boot grips are
by Craig Spegel.
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I selected I carry AIWB regularly, because you didn't have my answer, I carry AIWB sometimes. Depends on clothing. I MUCH prefer hip carry, but can only really do that when I have an outer shirt or jacket. When not, I carry the Walther PPS AIWB. My 380 Bodyguard I either carry AIWB or in a wallet holster in a back pocket.
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My option wasn't there also. I am a sometime aiwb individual. I just can't overcome the concern of my loaded firearm pointing at my femoral artery. It's interesting that my fear is not shooting off my "manhood"; but, my fear is the certain death caused by putting a bullet through my femoral artery. You can talk until you're blue in the face to try to convince me otherwise. As irrational as that fear may be, it still exists. I want to get past that as there is no more concealable and accessible form of concealed carry than AIWB, in my opinion.
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I carry in my right front waistband almost exclusively (except for the occasional LCP in the pocket day). No belt, because I hate belts. T-shirt, with an unbuttoned shirt over it. In cold weather a coat covers it.
My main requirement for a holster is a belt clip that holds on like grim death.
Shooting myself in the nether regions is just not something that ranks high on my things-to-worry-about-today list. I get it that other folks have differently ranked lists and I would not advocate this carry mode for all.
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I tried it. But, since I am very short in height the gun rubs when I sit. I'd carry this way if I could though.
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Ill carry my Bodyguard AIWB all day long with absolutely no print and incredibly comfortable. Tried the XD-E and it's just too big for my body frame to AIWB- have to go 4:00 with that one.
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(Well, pocket from time to time.)
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Holds my pants up..
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J frame.
Disappears and presents quickly.
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I'm not pointed anything at my junk or the femoral artery.
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I do not find anything about AIWB comfortable, even with a smallish gun like a G26, Especially sitting. I am only 5-10/185# & decently lean.
Then I can not wrap my head around breaking a safety rule, while carrying; never point the gun at anything you do not want to destroy. It is always pointed at your femoral artery among other significant items.
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I have the wrong body type for it. Too much Budweiser.
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Originally Posted by sigp220.45
I carry in my right front waistband almost exclusively (except for the occasional LCP in the pocket day). No belt, because I hate belts. T-shirt, with an unbuttoned shirt over it. In cold weather a coat covers it.
My main requirement for a holster is a belt clip that holds on like grim death.
Shooting myself in the nether regions is just not something that ranks high on my things-to-worry-about-today list. I get it that other folks have differently ranked lists and I would not advocate this carry mode for all.
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"a belt clip that hold on like grim death" brought back a
remembrance for me. Years ago, as an instructor, I found
that women had a particular problem. Few of them wear belts.
I set out to find clip on holsters that would "hold on like grim
death" and not come out with the holster wrapped around the gun.
I tested over a hundred brands. I can't criticize the ones
that did not hold on to just the waistband fabric because the makers
never claimed that they would. But the ones that I found
that did hold on like grim death to just the waistband were the
following: FIST, Bell-Charter-Oak, Garrity Gunleather, and Wild
Bill. Of course that was several years ago, so I don't know if they still
use the same clip supplier now that the did then, but they
were good ones back then.
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Was never comfortable carrying appendix the couple times I tried .. found it to be much more comfortable between 4 & 5 both IWB and OWB ..
not that it was dangerous but just uncomfortable to me with my life style ..
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Pros of AIWB:
Easy to conceal.
Fast draw.
Easy to reach.
Cons of AIWB:
Requires a really small gun.
Very uncomfortable.
Straight up rule #2 violation.
That alone should stop anyone, but it obviously doesn't. I because skeptical when I hear of the first death, but the second one I heard of, who didn't actually die, settled it for me.
It's a tremendous risk. The chances of shooting yourself are higher than the likelihood of actually needing the gun to defend yourself. If you want to take that risk, fine. Just be sure you understand the risk.
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AIWB for me. The firearm is in the trigger-covering holster before it's inserted into the waistband.
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People act like "AIWB" is some revolutionary carry method, it's nothing but Mexican carry (which used to be laughed at as a carry style used only by thugs and criminals) with a holster. Personally, I don't like it with or without a holster, I prefer 3 o'clock OWB or 330-4 o'clock IWB.
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I carried a S&W Model 66 with 2 1/2" barrel in a Rogers IWB for years. I carried it at 10 o'clock (sort of a cross draw, but in front). It was uncomfortable when driving, but it was very fast for accessing and allowed me to always monitor my handgun. I now pocket carry a smaller handgun.
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Too hot around here most of the time for anything more than a pocket pistol.
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I voted for "I tried it but didn't like it." However, the truth is, I actually did like it, but my big ole beer gut did not. AWIB carry is just not for large gutted southern gentlemen...
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Too hot around here most of the time for anything more than a pocket pistol.
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I carry at approximately 8:30 a lot of the time, OWB; I'm left handed. I also carry with a gun in my left front pocket a lot of the time. The gun in my left front pocket may be a backup, or it may be primary, depends on the circumstances.
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My option wasn't there also. I am a sometime aiwb individual. I just can't overcome the concern of my loaded firearm pointing at my femoral artery. It's interesting that my fear is not shooting off my "manhood"; but, my fear is the certain death caused by putting a bullet through my femoral artery. You can talk until you're blue in the face to try to convince me otherwise. As irrational as that fear may be, it still exists. I want to get past that as there is no more concealable and accessible form of concealed carry than AIWB, in my opinion.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Haven't even tried it for that very reason. I just couldn't be comfortable knowing where it was pointed.
Of course the fact that I have a dun-lop (belly dun lopped over my belt) it doesn't seem like it would be very comfortable anyway.
I always figured the most likely case for needing it would be a mugging type scenario and with my CCW IWB at 4:00 - 5:00 reaching for it would look just like reaching for my wallet.
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I don't do IWB because I'm big and bulky so there's no room for a gun. I don't even do IWB at all after trying various methods. I'm OWB 4:00 guy.
I also personally know a local guy who shot himself in the left thigh while teaching a concealed carry class. No scrotum loss or femoral hit. He's quite open about it and yuks it up. Excellent role model...just do opposite of him. The appendix carry guys I know are small people with loose fitting clothes.
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AIWB regularly. Only exception is when the situation and/or working outside all day in the heat warrants the need to pocket carry.
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I have been pocket carrying for a long time. Each to his own.
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I pocket carry except on trips where along time sitting.
Then I use the Air Marshall 3 with .45 Shield & a couple of mags. I am almost thinking of using 100 % as I am starting to feel under gunned with a 5 shot Air weight
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The appendix guys give a good argument about how appendix carry gives them better concealment, better retention and a faster draw.
Here's the one thing that's a bit confusing for me about appendix carry. I'm right handed so if I carry appendix at 12:30 or 1 o'clock, I get all those great benefits. But if slide my holster a couple inches left, to the other side of my belt buckle, and give it a bit of reverse cant (AKA cross draw), all the sudden I'm endangering myself because I've lost my ability to conceal, retain, and draw fast.
Doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
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I pocket carry except on trips where along time sitting.
Then I use the Air Marshall 3 with .45 Shield & a couple of mags. I am almost thinking of using 100 % as I am starting to feel under gunned with a 5 shot Air weight
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I can not do pocket carry either, I wear jeans mostly, I would be dead before I could get the gun out.
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I'm pretty sure that there are a lot of good reasons for appendix carry, but I don't believe that I can conceal well that way.
Next?
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If it’s junk, why worry?
Now the femoral artery is another issue.
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I carried IWB-appendix off duty and into retirement for years, then developed sciatica. Pocket carry only since w/occassional ankle rig for long car trips. EDC = no lock 340PD and/or Ruger LCP.
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If it’s junk, why worry?
Now the femoral artery is another issue.
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The other thing will bleed almost as much as the femoral artery. I know of one guy who shot himself there while carrying AIWB. He didn't die, but it was close due to all the bleeding.
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I carried IWB-appendix off duty and into retirement for years, then developed sciatica. Pocket carry only since w/occassional ankle rig for long car trips. EDC = no lock 340PD and/or Ruger LCP.
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I developed chronic lower back pain and sciatica in the Summer of 2015. I was carrying very large high performance flashlights on my left hip. After more than six months with no end in sight, I decided to go from 233 pounds to 157. I lost 15 pounds per month for five months, on rabbit food diet, starting December 2015. In late March 2016, after nine months of pain, the sciatica melted away, when I passed 185 on the way to 157 pounds. I celebrated two years continued success with 32% body weight loss and no return of back pain/sciatica this month. 6'00" with X65 flashlight on my left hip and S&W 40 Shield or G29 aiwb. My carry config is based on need to immediately grab my equalizer, when need be, which is unpredictable. I wish you Good Luck on getting rid of the sciatica.
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The other thing will bleed almost as much as the femoral artery. I know of one guy who shot himself there while carrying AIWB. He didn't die, but it was close due to all the bleeding.
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Tough spot to apply a tourniquet, even if you can get someone to help.
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I have the wrong body type for it. Too much Budweiser.
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I resemble that remark...….
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There's pros/cons to it like anything else. I know that all the cool cats carry that way nowadays and advocate for it, but for me, the drawbacks outweigh the benefits.
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