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I will never try it 85 29.21%
I want to try it 15 5.15%
I tried it but didnít like it 81 27.84%
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... Iíll say this unequivocally: with a proper holster setup, I have no fear of shooting my junk, a leg, or my butt when carrying AIWB. I have yet to hear of a documented instance of the feared junk shot with modern holster AIWB carry...
I take a very pragmatic approach in reference to AIWB carry. I have absolutely zero fear, for it is impossible to kill what is already dead!

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Iím interested in attitudes toward AIWB.
Not for me. Pointing a loaded firearm at my femoral artery doesn't strike me as being very intelligent.
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Carry a Snub Nose or Shield at 11o’clock AIWB. I am not concerned about shooting what should NOT be shot because when I train it is with snap caps or no ammo in the guns (dry fire) for drawing practice.

I believe (over 50 years) that you DO NOT Draw a loaded pistol or revolver from a holster your carrying unless you intend to use it.

A kydex holster (Shield)or padded nylon holster (snub nose).

As said in other post, it is a personal choice with pros and cons.

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I can not do pocket carry either, I wear jeans mostly, I would be dead before I could get the gun out.
Lots of people pocket carry and in a car jacking they wouldn't be able to get to their pistol let alone fire it ..

Time yourself and pocket carry is the slowest of any carry position to bring to a firing position !! and that doesn't matter what position you are in , standing .. sitting .. running .. laying on your back or stomach .. kneeling !!

I do a lot of driving and find 3-5 position to be the most comfortable and quickest to a firing position ..

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Occasionally, was not an option so I did not vote. Not my favorite position to carry but there are times it is the best option.
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I appreciate the comments both as to why and why not. I have seen in previous polls that AIWB is one of the least common carry locations.

Yet this one shows almost as many do, as who does not.
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My option wasn't there also. I am a sometime aiwb individual. I just can't overcome the concern of my loaded firearm pointing at my femoral artery. It's interesting that my fear is not shooting off my "manhood"; but, my fear is the certain death caused by putting a bullet through my femoral artery. You can talk until you're blue in the face to try to convince me otherwise. As irrational as that fear may be, it still exists. I want to get past that as there is no more concealable and accessible form of concealed carry than AIWB, in my opinion.

Easy, just carry without a round in the chamber, until you realize that the gun just doesn't go off by itself...lol
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no thanks for me
not comfortable

when carrying , I feel as though it is crucial to NOT figit , adjust , yank and tug on you holster.

AIWB , I cant sit ect
4:00 is a perfect solution for me
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Not for me. Pointing a loaded firearm at my femoral artery doesn't strike me as being very intelligent.
FYI, you can't carry a gun without pointing it at something. Folks sweep ALOT more than they realize. Btw, using that logic, it's not smart to drive, or use a chainsaw or have animals with sharp teeth, etc. YMMV
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I don't like Glocks. As I said in my earlier post. I'm not pointing a gun at my junk or femoral artery. Watch the video. I don't really care what went wrong. Just know it can.

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I don't like Glocks. As I said in my earlier post. I'm not pointing a gun at my junk or femoral artery. Watch the video. I don't really care what went wrong. Just know it can.

VIDEO: Holstered Pistol Discharges...Negligent or Accident? - The Truth About Guns

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I have never carried in that position .. Just never felt comfortable to me ..

What caused the pistol to fire ?? He appears to holster it properly and the holster itself looks good .. though would like to see the Glock inserted into it to see the fit .. was the trigger exposed ?? when holstered ??
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I am 6'0 165# Carry a j frame/xds9mm.Good to go.Make sure you wear a good gun belt. My best friend can not wear AIWB because of body type.
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...doesn't lend itself to appendix carry.
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If it is good enough for "Yukon Cornelious" in the animated movie "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer," then it is good enough for me. Seriously, I've carried that way for 35+ years, revolvers only in a rigid holster that covers everything but the grip. Perfect hollow between my beer gut and hip.
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Straight up Rule 2 violation, whatever the motivation.
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when carrying , I feel as though it is crucial to NOT figit [sic], adjust , yank and tug on you holster.
Yet MOST folks do, anyway.

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Yeah, it doesn't work for folks with big guts. OTOH, reaching back to 4:00 is almost a full second slower than AIWB. Plus, almost impossible for folks with injured shoulders. I have complete tears in the Rotator Cuffs, in both shoulders and my PT says that we (humans) are not even supposed to reach back like that, that that motion( without a thorough warm up) causes injury to the shoulders. I'll never do that again.YMMV
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I carry a 442 AWIB (well, sort of, since I'm LH. Mine is WMAWBIWB - Where my appendix would be inside waist band) almost exclusively, except when I open carry. Even in shorts with a thin dri fit t shirt, it disappears. Got a real nice Snubbyfan holster to carry it in. It works for me, but like Grandma Muggins always said, there's a lid for every pot . . .
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I don't like Glocks. As I said in my earlier post. I'm not pointing a gun at my junk or femoral artery. Watch the video. I don't really care what went wrong. Just know it can.

VIDEO: Holstered Pistol Discharges...Negligent or Accident? - The Truth About Guns

Video should scare the Hell out of you.
This is an informative post. A Glock 43 goes off in a Kydex holster carried about 11 or 12 oíclock IWB. Apparently, the bullet went into one of his legs. It did not hit the femoral artery, nor his man parts. However, it could have. Iím sure that was scary for him and some other folks.

A few observations, because I do care why it happened.

It appears to me that this individual failed to keep his shirt out of the path of the gun into the holster. He first pulls it up high, tracks the gun toward the open holster, but he drops the hem of the shirt BEFORE the gun is holstered. The shirt goes into the holster with the gun. He does not check the holstered gun at this point to ensure it is properly in the holster. Thatís two mistakes.

Next, while moving he recognizes his shirt is not hanging as it should. Without checking properly, he pulls up on the shirt. It blouses over the top of the gun, but apparently the hem was still in contact with the trigger. He pulled just hard enough to move the trigger almost to the point of firing. Mistake #3.

When he bent over the shirt stretched the last little bit necessary to pull the trigger and cause the gun to fire.

If you are that careless, eventually you will shoot yourself.

Is there a carry position, a holster, and a choice of gun that would reduce or eliminate injury from negligent gun handling? Yes. Choosing such options is wise. No one should argue against that.

When each of assesses his abilities, we need to be honest and not over confident. Murphy is always lurking. As humans we make mistakes. It is almost impossible to perform critical tasks perfectly all the time.

Almost. There are many who do have the training, the repetitive experience, the proper equipment and procedures, as well as the personal care, confidence and responsibility to perform safe holstering of a gun every time.

When folks have this confidence, the priorities of choices in equipment and methods of carry may expand into riskier areas, because they perceive the benefits outweigh the risks. These are personal choices made with knowledge of the consequences.

I am more confident that I can clear the path to my AIWB holster than in any other position. I am confident I can keep the barrel pointed far enough away from my body that if I negligently discharge the gun while holstering the bullet will not hit me. I am confident I can clearly see the gun in the holster and know it is unobstructed and secureóBECAUSE it is in the Appendix position where it is most visible.

I am confident, having holstered properly, that the gun will not go off while in the holster.

I am confident I can draw the gun safely, with my finger off the trigger until Iím on target.

Seeing or hearing of negligent gun handling can either scare us and limit us, or educate and empower us to be safer and accept the critical responsibilities inherent with using guns.
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The other thing will bleed almost as much as the femoral artery.
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Tough spot to apply a tourniquet, even if you can get someone to help.
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I have carried AIWB since before it became a "thing". Started in the mid-70's carrying a Model 49 in a Bianchi suede IWB clip holster. Always appendix. Still carry that same combo to this day. It obviously works for me.
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Tried it, not for me. I carry IWB at 4 when off duty.
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J frame, Blade-Tech KLIPT holster, speed strip (not pictured), what more is needed?

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When I weighed 260 and now at 197, appendix, or around there has been my mode of carry. From various semi-autos that I never really liked to my favorite Revolvers. It has to be at least five years now I carry a Revoler in the waist and a 442 in my my pocket. Normally two of these every day.
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Iíve been carrying appendix for a lot of years. Find that sweet spot in the waist and your golden.
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I tried, don't like it, very uncomfortable especially sitting down.
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My Bersa .380 fits perfectly there. No worries about shooting off my you know what.
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Have AIWB for over 25 years now...no matter what gun I may be carrying.

Letely I have been carrying my 629PC AIWB in a Charter Oaks Grizzly Bear holster.

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I’ve been carrying every day since 1993 and alway AIWB. I’ve been carrying either a DA revolver or a DA auto so I’ve considered that long hard trigger pull a measure of safety above good practices as mentioned in other comments in this discussion. However, I now own and carry a Shield and I must admit I’m tempted to go back to the DA revolver such as a 642.

I recently bought an OWB holster from Vedder for my Shield but for my body type it prints too darn much. I have a Vedder belt too so it’s not due to a poorly constructed belt. 4:00 is a no-go for me.

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My two carry modes have been 3-4 o'clock IWB/OWB or pocket carry with my 642. I've considered AIWB and will probably try it but only with the 642. The size of my other carry guns would prohibit AIWB with them and I feel that a ND with the 642 would be virtually impossible.
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I carried my J frame that way for years until sciatica kicked in, then went to pocket carry. Certain auto loaders, IMHO, should never be carried appendix. It makes me nervous just watching videos of others doing it.
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I think it is a matter of how your body is built..I have a pretty big beer belly so it isn't comfortable for me to carry that way.I usually carry 4 o'clock on the right side IWB or pocket carry depending on the gun I have.
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Iíve never had a gun discharge while in a proper holster. Train to keep your finger out of the trigger guard until clear of the family jewels.
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My weight loss app tells me I can probably try it around mid-November if I keep up my diet.
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FWIW, I am in the uncomfortable/don’t point guns at your femoral artery or junk camp - I know one man’s junk is another man’s treasure. IF I were to carry AIWB, it would be my 640-1. I don’t see much talk about shoulder holsters, which along with 4 o’clock OWB and fanny pack are my favorite ways to carry.
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I won't even go there. If I had those flat as a wash board six pack abs it might be more feasible than what reality presents me with, but I don't...so I won't. Plus, appendix carry doesn't work at all if you like to wear Carharrt overalls.
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I have only half heartedly tried AIWB. I am too short and too skinny. Either can’t sit or it looks like a tumor with a tucked shirt.

My normal carry is a Sig 220 full size which I can hide even with a tucked shirt.
I may try AIWB some more with a J ...we’ll see.

I wouldn’t worry about shooting my junk or what ever because my guns don’t shoot without pulling the trigger, and I am hammerthumber.

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I am also of the find a better way camp. For me, it's just not comfortable, and harder to hide than IWB at 3 o'clock.

Depending on the gun, the three o'clock position disappears against me! Easy to secure with my elbow in crowds.
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Always, it's right there, under my control, especially sitting in the car.
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Not worried about shooting off my business, but my belly is too big for that these days. If I every get back into shape I may go there.
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FWIW, I am in the uncomfortable/donít point guns at your femoral artery or junk camp - I know one manís junk is another manís treasure. IF I were to carry AIWB, it would be my 640-1. I donít see much talk about shoulder holsters, which along with 4 oíclock OWB and fanny pack are my favorite ways to carry.
So, you're OK with the muzzle pointed under your arm or at the person behind you and muzzling everyone for more than 180 degrees on the draw?


Fanny packs? Very close to off body carry. Require two hands to draw among other disadvantages.
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So, you're OK with the muzzle pointed under your arm or at the person behind you and muzzling everyone for more than 180 degrees on the draw?
Well, most shoulder holsters point the muzzle straight down alongside of your leg - just like any OWB holster. The Bullet style points it into your armpit, and frankly if I have to choose between armpit and groin, that's a no-brainer for me.

In a horizontal carry shoulder holster you aren't "muzzling" anyone any more than you are when carrying the pistol in a gun rug, or pistol case, or even a long gun in a rack across the rear window of your pickup - because in all those cases your hand isn't on the firearm so you aren't "pointing" it at anything or anyone.

It always amazes me the mental gymnastics AIWB proponents go through to try to convince themselves and others that there is absolutely NO additional risk with AIWB carry. THERE IS. It may be a small risk and one that you are comfortable with, but in an adrenaline dump SHTF situation, you can't explain it away, and unless you've been in a LOT of those kind of encounters you can't say with 100% certainty how well you will react. You can say how you BELIEVE you will react due to your training, but there are no guarantees in life.

There is also a risk of AD/ND when holstering and where the gun is pointed during the process matters. Ask all of the people - including fully trained LEOs - who have experienced "Glock leg" if you don't think so.

No matter what kind of holster you use, there is a very high probability that you are going to muzzle sweep SOMEONE during the draw in a defensive situation. That is a fact simply because you can't control the people or the entire situation around you when things go south to the point that you have to draw your firearm.

Some people acknowledge and are comfortable with the additional risk of AIWB, and that is fine. It may be a very small risk, and you may consider it small enough to be comfortable with it, but trying to explain how AIWB carry doesn't create ANY additional risk seems a little like whistling past the graveyard to me.

Let me ask you this. If someone invented a holster that strapped to your chest and was extremely comfortable, easy to access, and easy to conceal, BUT using it meant that the gun was pointed up under your chin, would you be arguing in favor of it?

No?
Why not?
Maybe because carrying your gun pointed at your head doesn't seem like a good idea?

Well, some of us feel the same way about carrying a gun pointed at our man parts and our femoral artery. If you are OK with carrying like that, fine, but it is pointless to deny that it presents SOME additional risk - or to try convince the rest of us that there is something wrong with us if we choose not to take that risk.

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Appendix most comfortable and concealable for me. Not much of a backside, so the behind the hip carry just doesnít work for me. I carry both my pistol and gun there, one is for fighting, and one is for...well...
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Where you carry is or should be where its most comfortable for you and should be where your able to draw it in the least amount of time ..

For me carrying at 4 is where its comfortable and my quickest draw times others may find its comfortable else where ..

Pocket carry is also out for me .. the main reason is the amount of time it would take to have full purchase of my firearm anytime I would be seated and that is over half the time while awake .. If you tried to draw on someone while seated the out come I'm afraid wouldn't be good !!!
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I think it's hilarious to watch people argue about where they'd like to be shot.
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I think it's hilarious to watch people argue about where they'd like to be shot.
My mom always use to say "laughing leads to crying". Funny, you made your point.
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Even after losing a lot of weight, the overhanging gut (slack now) makes appendix carry uncomfortable and impractical. I pocket carry a DAO J-frame with a long trigger pull of between nine and ten pounds, in a holster that covers the trigger guard, so I don't worry about the femoral artery. If, God forbid, I ever have to use the gun, reholstering will be the least of my concerns.

But I have to admit to some queasiness about appendix carry, even if it were feasible and even with the same gun. I absolutely would never consider it with any striker-fired pistol.
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Even after losing a lot of weight, the overhanging gut (slack now) makes appendix carry uncomfortable and impractical. I pocket carry a DAO J-frame with a long trigger pull of between nine and ten pounds, in a holster that covers the trigger guard, so I don't worry about the femoral artery. If, God forbid, I ever have to use the gun, reholstering will be the least of my concerns.

But I have to admit to some queasiness about appendix carry, even if it were feasible and even with the same gun. I absolutely would never consider it with any striker-fired pistol.
Thousands appendix with a striker every day.

Training and mindset make it a non-issue.
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I am pretty thin so appendix carry works well for me and is very comfortable even with large guns. I only carry a revolver with a hammer so I can do a thumb check when holstering. My feeling is that safety is adequate with this combination and I was paid to be paranoid in my career. I used to participate in a martial art that had a fair amount of ground fighting involved. That experience convinced me that appendix carry needed to be my default carry position. My thinking is that I very possibly may get knocked on my butt right out of the gate and have to draw from that position. Appendix works well while driving also.

What I don't like about appendix carry is sweaty guns and holsters. It gets and stays hot here a lot. Pocket holsters have some serious draw backs but work great with shorts and fix the sweat problem.
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