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Been pocket carrying since the spring of 2014 (when I took a job at a local Stop & Rob).

No unwanted discharges yet but I did have the inglorious experience of drawing pocket holster with revolver once! Holster sailed through air and landed in an ash pit....was practicing draws and firing at a friend's house.
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For a gun forum there are certainly a lot of people here who seem to think a gun can just "go off" by itself.
Yeah, you'd think this was the Remington forum or something...

In my case, when I go to bed at night I have two dozen handguns pointed directly at me. Fortunately if any of them went off they'd have to go through the side of a thick steel safe and two interior walls first.
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Doesn’t pocket carry violate Rule #2–Don’t point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy (your leg)?
With a concealed-hammer DAO revolver in a pocket holster, I don't worry about it.
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In one case I was able to disassemble the gun and found a piece of debris had gotten stuck to the sear. This changed the sear from a decent engagement to a hair engagement. This was a one-in-a-billion thing...
Hardly. It happens more often than you think. I’ve seen a couple cases of it and had it happen once myself. I was a young lad, shooting my Dad’s Sako .222 from the bench. All was proceeding normally until I closed the bolt and - bang! After cleaning the trigger, back to normal. It was a harmless but valuable lesson, and it came to me at a perfect time - viz., very early in my shooting life. Since then I’ve always taken special care to be sure any gun I handle is pointed in a safe direction when closing the action or snicking off the safety, as if expecting a discharge.

Admittedly, its difficult to maintain 100%-compliance with Rule 2, particularly with handguns, but I maintain it is not to be trifled with, or “interpreted.” Do the best you can. JMHO.
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I think you actually mean striker fired..DA semi's are not light.
I tried the trigger on one of those small Ruger 9mm's. I'd be afraid to carry a gun like that.
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More than once, I've seen a loaded gun set (yes, set, not slammed) on a bench and the gun fired.


The point is, any mechanical device can fail. Yes, I've even seen a spoon fail.
So...a DA/SA pistol with the hammer off the sear and at rest can go off..? NOT..!!!

and a revolver with the hammer off the sear and at rest can go off..? NOT..!!!

So if NOT..then what exactly makes them unsafe to pocket carry..?? Inquisitive minds need to know..(I already do)
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I tried the trigger on one of those small Ruger 9mm's. I'd be afraid to carry a gun like that.
The small Ruger 9mm EC9 and LC9 are striker fired..I'd be afraid to..
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I've come to like PC'ing very much now days.I, PC my S&W M&P BG,442-2,& 638-3 .38 SPL+P's 5 shot's.
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If I were to pocket carry it would be a revolver and not a auto .. The long heavy DA pull is sufficient enough not to worry about a ND !

My problem is while sitting it takes about 3 or 4 times as long to get a full purchase on my carry weapon in my pocket as it does in the 4 o'clock position I carry in .. and its very obvious I am going after something ..

While at 4 o'clock my wife who is always with me could shield me drawing from that position even while seated where no one could see .. and the time to draw is much shorter !!
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Admittedly, its difficult to maintain 100%-compliance with Rule 2, particularly with handguns, but I maintain it is not to be trifled with, or “interpreted.” Do the best you can. JMHO.
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I'm not sure I have read anybody say that the proper holster is an integral part of firearm safety, and that is probably doubly true with pocket carry. Between a long, stiff double action only design and this arrangement, I feel very safe and secure with a Pocket Concealment Systems holster for a Seecamp. Covers the triggerguard completely, stays put, and both pistol and spare magazine remain free of lint and ****.

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Doesn’t pocket carry violate Rule #2–Don’t point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy (your leg)?
I could have a whole lotta fun with this about an hour into happy hour. But then again, I have a vivid sense of humor.

Back to serious: you'll never experience a negligent discharge if you keep your finger off of a gun's trigger (and keep it protected from objects that can cause a ND) until you intend to fire it.

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Splitting hairs ain't you boss ?
Think about it, IWB , OWB , shoulder holster, ankle holster even a Sneaky Pete holster...that barrel is pointing at some part of your anatomy.

If it bothers you....leave the gun at home.

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First rule of pocket carry: Don't pocket carry.
My problem with pocket carry is that it is sloooow .. It takes me forever to get it out of my pocket when seated .. and gets hung up about 1/3 of the time increasing the time even longer .. And even standing it will add a few seconds to a draw that needs to be as fast as possible !!

IWB at 4:30 is a much faster draw for me and less of a chance of being shot by a perp if the need to draw down on the perp ..
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I’ve been pocket or IWB carrying for a long time and follow all the common sense rules about holsters, reholstering etc. My one other rule is I will not carry any 1911 style weapon (to include Glocks), in a pocket or IWB. I’m not suggesting what others should do but it just makes me nervous.
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My one other rule is I will not carry any 1911 style weapon (to include Glocks), in a pocket or IWB.
This doesn't make any sense. Glocks are completely different than 1911s. Can you clarify what you're saying some more?
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My problem with pocket carry is that it is sloooow .. It takes me forever to get it out of my pocket when seated .. and gets hung up about 1/3 of the time increasing the time even longer .. And even standing it will add a few seconds to a draw that needs to be as fast as possible !!
I couldn't agree more. In fact, most people who are sitting won't be able to get the gun out at all.
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A well designed holster is always your first level safety, regardless of what you carry.

I put true pocket carry without a holster right up there with just sticking the handgun in your waist band. There is nothing at all protecting the trigger.

Just as bad are those incredibly stupid clips that go on the slide of a pistol or between the stock and grip frame of a revolver. They are more secure than just sticking it in the waist band, but they provide zero protection of the trigger, particularly when inserting it in the waist band.

These are just as bad. Versa Carry sent me one to evaluate and my report was not kind at all. It provides zero protection for the trigger and is a great way to shoot yourself when inserting it in the waist band. I wasn't even remotely comfortable carry a PPK/S with a heavy DA trigger and a hammer that I could feel coming back if the trigger were obstructed. . The saving grace was that I could at least engage the safety when inserting it in my waistband. Yet I see total morons carry Glocks or other pistols with no manual safety, no exposed hammer, and a comparatively light trigger in these. Versa Carry do come out with a "II" model that partially covers the trigger but it's only partially better.



I also see hosters like this. They are thin and comfortable and do provide protection from lint and from the trigger being disturbed, but only once the pistol is in the holster. And as seen below, it's possible for the lip to roll up and enter the trigger guard.



The most important part of this holster is the belt clip, since it allows the pistol or revolver to be holstered out in front of you where you can visually verify the trigger is not obstructed, and then once this is done, the holster and pistol or revolver can be inserted in the waist band as a single unit, with the trigger protected.



Pocket holsters are designed to be used exactly that way, and a decent one is designed so that when you draw the handgun, the holster catches and stays in the pocket.




A well designed OWB or IWB holster should have a mouth comprised of double thickness leather with a metal or polymer insert in between to hold it open, even when it's in your waistband with the pistol or revolver removed.



If it also has a belt clip that allows the holster to be removed to holster or re-holster the handgun, that's a big plus.



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I'll throw in a couple additional points on concealed carry in general.

Glocks made huge in roads into law enforcement because it was easy to train an officer familiar with a DA revolver to use one as, just like a DA or DAO revolver, there was no safety to worry about. However, the intended use was in an OWB duty holster, and if you compare duty holsters now with duty holsters then you'll find many of the current crop stick out from the belt at distances we would have found absurd 20-30 years ago.

Why the increased distance? Partly to allow the officer to better observe the pistol being holstered and /or to reduce the potential for clothing to enter the trigger guard and obstruct the trigger. It's also partly to reduce the chance of an ND while re-holstering a striker fired pistol with no manual safety, reducing the chance of "Glock" leg if an ND occurs.

It's not unheard of after an actual shoot for an officer to try to re-holster the pistol with his or her finger still on the trigger. Loud noise results, and that greater leg to muzzle distance helps prevent officers from shooting themselves in the leg.

A lot of shooters choose Glocks or similar striker fired pistols with all the safeties tied to the trigger because they are popular with police, so they must be the best. Right? The part they miss is that most police officers use them in duty holsters that stand out away from the leg. If the shooter plans on conceal carrying one, then proper holster selection is absolutely critical. Attempting to re-holster a pistol into an IWB or even OWB concealed carry holster while it is in or on the belt will result in an ND sooner or later, as sooner or later an obstruction will find it's way into the trigger guard and obstruct the trigger.

A proper holster for a striker fired pistol with no manual safety will have stiff mouth that stays open and a clip that allows the holster to be removed, so that re-holstering can occur out in front of you where you can visually confirm the trigger is clear.

The same applies to a hammerless revolver or a revolver with a shrouded hammer. Yes, the DA trigger pull is heavier than with most striker fired pistols, but like a striker fired pistol, there is no way to feel the hammer coming back if the trigger is obstructed. You need to re-holster accordingly.

Personally, I've never encountered problems with a hammer snagging during a draw and that is my opinion more of a theoretical problem than an actual problem. All my revolvers have hammers. There's no real downside and at times the ability to shoot single action is a plus. And they are safer to holster as they provide tactile feedback if the trigger is obstructed if you keep your thumb over the hammer.
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Versa Carry sent me one to evaluate and my report was not kind at all. It provides zero protection for the trigger and is a great way to shoot yourself when inserting it in the waist band.
The biggest problem with the Versa carry is not that it doesn't cover the trigger (isn't the trigger covered while the gun is IWB?) but that it requires a rod to be inserted in the muzzle. I have a friend that had one and that rod broke off once. That left an obstruction in the barrel. Whoever designed that "holster" definitely doesn't understand firearms and they should be removed from the market if they haven't already.
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I feel perfectly confident and comfortable carrying my M&P Bodyguard .380 in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster
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One could be completely ridiculous and never walk up stairs or drive over an overpass while carrying IWB or OWB.

My rules for pocket carry:

#1 - Always use a good pocket holster that completely covers the trigger.
#2 - Never carry anything except the holstered pistol in that pocket.
#3 - Make sure to clean & lube a pocket carried pistol every week.
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Yes, but I am very confident that my 649 will not give me Glock leg.

I'm very confident that my Glock 42, 43, and or 26, that I daily carry in my pocket, every day of the year, will not give me Glock leg.
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I'd agree that this is pretty safe. That said, I always pocket carry my snubbies in a pocket holster that keeps the muzzle down and the trigger covered.

Of course, (while everyone seems to love bashing them), the BG380 makes for a near foolproof pocket carry with combination of long DAO pull and its manual safety. I also use a pocket holster with these.
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Doesn’t pocket carry violate Rule #2–Don’t point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy (your leg)?
It's scary how much people know the words but have no idea of the context, or only know the abbreviated (dumbed down) version.

The 'rules' are Safe Rules For Handling a Firearm.

A holstered gun is not being handled- it's holstered.
A gun in the safe if not being handled, it's in the safe.

As for me, I have come to despise the abbreviated version of these. I don't like the word 'destroy' because even during a self defensive use I don't want to destroy the antagonist; I want to stop the threat.

All guns are NOT always loaded either, but that's and argument for another day.
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If any of you folks can find a better designed, more reliable "Pocket" carried defense weapon or better, more efficient method of carry, than the one I've carried carried for 23 years, the .32 L.W. Seecamp pistol, carried in my pocket, by it'self. If anyone finds a better one, or better method of carry I'll get one immediately, and start to carry it their way! Thanks.

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Doesn’t pocket carry violate Rule #2–Don’t point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy (your leg)?
In a theoretical sense my pocket carried guns are not pointed at my leg. The barrels are close to my leg and would burn my leg if fired but it would take a certain position or two to get my leg or knee or foot into a direct muzzle "point". I do think that various forms of belt carry are much more likely to get body parts under the "point" of a muzzle.

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A holstered gun is not being handled- it's holstered.
A gun in the safe if not being handled, it's in the safe.
When the gun in your pocket is being removed then it is being "handled" and THEN you need to focus on staying away from the trigger, etc.

But when you remove your gun from your pocket, or belt, unless you're a fanatical UNLOADER immediately then no matter where you place it the gun is pointed at something you do not want to destroy, be it clothing, a mirror, a dresser, something. But, if you HANDLED it correctly then when you put it down the gun is no longer being handled, it is "stored", etc.

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It's scary how much people know the words but have no idea of the context, or only know the abbreviated (dumbed down) version.

The 'rules' are Safe Rules For Handling a Firearm.

A holstered gun is not being handled- it's holstered.
A gun in the safe if not being handled, it's in the safe.

As for me, I have come to despise the abbreviated version of these. I don't like the word 'destroy' because even during a self defensive use I don't want to destroy the antagonist; I want to stop the threat.

All guns are NOT always loaded either, but that's and argument for another day.

True. BUT, all firearms should be TREATED/HANDLED as if they were loaded. Just one more important aspect of the safe handling of any firearm.
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