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Old 05-25-2018, 11:00 PM
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Doesn’t pocket carry violate Rule #2–Don’t point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy (your leg)?
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:05 PM
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It seems to me that nearly every method comes very close to doing that -IWB, Appendix, etc. Just have to use safe handling practices at all times, no?

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Doesn’t pocket carry violate Rule #2–Don’t point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy (your leg)?
The same could be said for IWB carry (especially Appendix Carry), don't you think?

If you're pocket carrying with no pocket holster, possibly... But I believe Most of us pocket carry in a Pocket Holster and when reholstering, many remove the holster from the pocket, holster the pistol, then place the holstered pistol in their pocket.

Another rule for Pocket Carry, especially if one is not using a Pocket Holster, is not to have ANYTHING else in the same pocket as the pistol, so nothing gets bound up in the trigger guard that could trip the trigger.

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If you want to slavishly copy rules, you wouldn't carry.
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The lint factor attraction to plastic vs steel handguns merits a congressional investigation of fabric manufacturing agendas... or lack of.
Pockets are holsters..... some designs are better than others.... innovation awaits.
True pocket carry vs Apparent pocket carry.
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The rule means when HANDLING the firearm.

No one will ever be injured by a firearm that's just sitting and that includes storage in a proper holster.

Following is opinion:

One should never pocket carry without a proper holster that protects the trigger and ideally nothing else should ever be carried simultaneously in that pocket.

Additionally, I think most of us automatically attempt to not sweep ourselves or others when holstering but at times it's unavoidable.
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Pocket carry of a DAO only revolver is probably as safe as it gets.
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The rule means when HANDLING the firearm.

No one will ever be injured by a firearm that's just sitting and that includes storage in a proper holster.
THANK YOU!!!

If that rule literally meant "at all times", then no one could safely own a gun because it's ALWAYS pointed at something, and rarely is it something we want destroyed.
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Pocket carry of a DAO only revolver is probably as safe as it gets.
I'd agree that this is pretty safe. That said, I always pocket carry my snubbies in a pocket holster that keeps the muzzle down and the trigger covered.

Of course, (while everyone seems to love bashing them), the BG380 makes for a near foolproof pocket carry with combination of long DAO pull and its manual safety. I also use a pocket holster with these.
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Yes, but I am very confident that my 649 will not give me Glock leg.
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That's why I won't AIWB - even with my 638.
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As already stated by many but nonthing else ever in that pocket other than firearm. Also agree on holster too. My whole working days where always pocket carry . Really couldn't pull off any kind of other carry . To get caught would have been out of job . ( never caught )Since retired I have pretty much gone to larger calibers and I WB. (40. & 45.) Go figure
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A gun isn't 'pointed' at anything unless it's in your hand.
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I'd agree that this is pretty safe. That said, I always pocket carry my snubbies in a pocket holster that keeps the muzzle down and the trigger covered.

Of course, (while everyone seems to love bashing them), the BG380 makes for a near foolproof pocket carry with combination of long DAO pull and its manual safety. I also use a pocket holster with these.
The only gun that I ever pocket carry is the Bodyguard. Even a J frame prints a lot in jeans , but the BG380 is almost invisible!
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My slavish adherence to Rule 1 (always loaded) and Rule 2 (pointing at things) means I low crawl past the counters in all gun stores. I get some funny looks, but at least I’m completely safe.
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Some great comments.

Shooting injuries involving concealed carry holsters are the result of negligent discharges. During such an event, if all the safety rules are followed, no one should get hurt.

With a good holster, i.e., one that covers the trigger and has a non-collapsible top, a shooter must have enough training, practice and confidence to get the gun into the holster without it discharging. There are many methods to do this, and they are adjustable to various skill levels and carry positions. But the fact remains, if you can’t get a gun into a holster safely, you need more training.

Once the gun is in the good holster, it is safe from firing. If from time to time it points toward something we don’t want to destroy, it is of relatively little concern. It’s not going to go off while in the holster. If you carry a handgun concealed, you are going to violate Rule #2 at some time.

When the time comes to remove the gun from the holster, it will not go off unless you pull the trigger. If you are not sufficiently trained and competent to apply trigger pressure at the correct time (Rule #3), perhaps you shouldn’t carry concealed until you are confident through training and practice that you won’t shoot yourself.

For some people, carry position decisions seem to focus on safety of where the gun is pointed when in the holster. This is not the priority. Safety is produced by the shooter’s competence in preventing the gun from firing when it is not supposed to. It is possible to holster a gun, yes even in the appendix position, without pointing it at a body part.

A man’s gotta know his limitations. If he doesn’t feel confident carrying in a certain position, then he shouldn’t. But really, the position should not be determinative. Can the carrier keep the trigger from being pulled until it is supposed to be? That skill/confidence applies to every carry position equally.

I get it. I would rather shoot myself along the outside of a leg or through my butt than into my femoral artery, but really, I would just rather not shoot myself at all. That is really the plan, and it is possible to accomplish. It takes some real training, dedicated and safe practice, and resultant confidence, no matter the carry position.

Unfortunately, many concealed carriers are not dedicated enough to their own safety and perhaps others to make the necessary effort. They think carrying in a certain position and hoping that an ND never occurs will get them through safely without real holster training and practice. And it probably will, based on statistical probability. But if that is the rationale, then why carry at all, since statistically, they will never need to draw their gun, right?
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I'd agree that this is pretty safe. That said, I always pocket carry my snubbies in a pocket holster that keeps the muzzle down and the trigger covered.

Of course, (while everyone seems to love bashing them), the BG380 makes for a near foolproof pocket carry with combination of long DAO pull and its manual safety. I also use a pocket holster with these.
I agree about the BG but I'm a belt and suspenders type when it comes to safety with firearms thus I rolled my own holster:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/139981512-post23.html

There always has to be a compromise between safety and accessibility. For instance, I often carry at work in a Galco Jackass rig. Think about that. The firearm is under my armpit constantly pointing at persons and things I wouldn't want injured but it's perfectly safe.

That said, I've very often practiced not only the draw but getting the gun back in the holster which is NOT easy. But it's again a compromise to safety that allows carry of a service pistol with the lowest profile possible.

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Doesn’t pocket carry violate Rule #2–Don’t point the gun at anything you’re not willing to destroy (your leg)?
I don't think the thigh is in much jeopardy except unless, as you are drawing, you angle the muzzle towards your thigh.

How about your foot? When I pocket carry and I am standing the muzzle is pointed towards my foot but when either sitting or standing the barrel is parallel with my thigh so a discharge from that angle doesn't seem likely to cause a devastating wound to the thigh but I could imagine a superficial wound or burn. The leg, i.e. the area between the knee and the ankle seems like it would be mostly out of harms way.
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Only time I'm concerned is carrying my J frame in its upside down shoulder holster. Seems like a ND it would go into my armpit.
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First rule of pocket carry: Don't pocket carry.
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First rule of pocket carry: Don't pocket carry.
The first rule of pocket carry should read: Make sure you have a pocket.
Without a pocket, none of the other rules are applicable!
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I pocket carried my Model 38 as a back-up w/o a holster (never heard of a pocket holster then) in the early ‘70s. As has been noted you’re going to point at something when carrying unless you use an OWB rig but there are some guns I won’t do that with. The older model LCP, along w/almost any J frame, is pretty safe IF a holster is used. It keeps the gun from flopping around inside a pocket and protects the trigger.
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I feel perfectly confident and comfortable carrying my M&P Bodyguard .380 in this Crossfire pocket holster


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I have pocket carried an LCP in a Sticky for many years.

I an completely comfortable with it and see no need to change.
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A gun isn't 'pointed' at anything unless it's in your hand.
...until you sit down at a restaurant (or anywhere, really) and realize your 'pocket carry gun' is now pointing at the family at the next table...many times I've tried to figure the possible trajectory, then moved my leg a bit to 'aim' in a safe direction...and I try to sit down with the 'gun side' facing a wall, so no one can see any outline for a giveaway...
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Ensconced in a proper holster that protects the gun from being fired reduces the need for anal observance of Rule #2. It is one of the primary reasons to carry concealed in a proper holster.

Learn to get the gun in and out of that holster safely and you will be obeying the rules you need to be obeying.

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I pocket carried my Model 38 as a back-up w/o a holster (never heard of a pocket holster then) in the early ‘70s. As has been noted you’re going to point at something when carrying unless you use an OWB rig but there are some guns I won’t do that with. The older model LCP, along w/almost any J frame, is pretty safe IF a holster is used. It keeps the gun from flopping around inside a pocket and protects the trigger.
We/I would have the dry cleaners/tailor sew a holster into the pocket of uniform pants. This consisted of canvas sewn into a holster shape. Since in the 70's most pocket guns were J frames I never heard of any reports of J frame leg. Most ND's back then seemed to stem from cops playing with their gun.
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Rules, rules and more rules about pocket carry.
In the summer I clip carry my LCP's, one in front pocket the other back pocket, no holsters, just Techna clips.

If people are so paranoid about AD's, carry a knife or fist size rock.
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Rules, rules and more rules about pocket carry.
In the summer I clip carry my LCP's, one in front pocket the other back pocket, no holsters, just Techna clips.

If people are so paranoid about AD's, carry a knife or fist size rock.
Yea, well, there are safety rules for a reason...it's not 'paranoia' (typical Lib move, namecalling) it's following gun safety rules about where it's pointed. So you don't want anyone to be safe with their firearm. Got it.

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It's not 'paranoia' (typical Lib move, namecalling) it's following gun safety rules about where it's pointed.
Calling me a Lib?
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