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I am very divided about this issue. While working in LE for many years I carried a 1911 with a couple of extra mags and never felt under gunned. Now that I am retired but still carrying a gun for my present security position I often carry a Glock 19 with an extra mag. When off duty or at home I often carry my Shield 9mm or an M&P 340. I have multiple revolvers and semi autos to choose from so I change as needed. I do think that the statements made regarding the typical number of rounds expended in a civilian encounter are generally true, no one has ever wished for less rounds in a gun fight. There are times when I feel that a 5 shot snub is adequate but usually I want for more ammo on hand, just in case.
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Old 06-12-2018, 11:03 PM
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One thing that I find interesting about this sort of discussion is the number of J Frame proponents who are very experienced shooters and/or veteran law enforcement officers.
War Story - 20 years ago or so, I joined a department that had recently transitioned from S&W Model 66 to the then newer 4043. The predominant off-duty gun was the J Frame and a few of the most tactically minded guys had purchased 4053s.

There were some mostly younger, more tactically aligned guys who lobbied for allowing personally owned Glocks and SIGs. Two years later, 75% of the officers were carrying something other than Smith & Wesson. Most of the off-duty guns were Glock 23s, SIG P229s and a few G27s. The old guys with mortgages and kids in college were the only guys who didnít switch. The dozens of guys and gals that switched wanted more rounds, less weight and better ergonomics - on duty and off.

I had a J Frame then with speed strips. I carried a J Frame last week on vacation out of state (swimming pool) and frequently as a winter pocket gun. My frame of reference is five-round J Frames are dated, but nothing carries quite the same.

To the original posters question, I switched to a Glock 26 years ago, which has more than twice as many of a more effective cartridge at an equivalent size to a J Frame. Now I have 12round Magpul magazine that allows 13 to be carried and a tactical light on the Glock. No way a G26 is as comfortable to carry as a J Frame but the additional capacity and speed of reloading were major determinants for me. Bonus is that the G26 shot better for me out of the box and requires less practice to remain proficient.

On capacity, the Trolley Square incident in SLC is what I think of when someone says X-amount of rounds are enough off-duty or in a civllian scenario. Same for the Skokie IL shootout where more than 15 .45ACP rounds did not get the job done against a determined felon.

I am here because I am just old enough to appreciate classic Smiths. My guess is most of the folks speaking up for the five-shot J Frame are over 40 and predisposed to be good shooters.
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Old 06-13-2018, 12:01 AM
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These days in some areas the bad guys arenít man enough to confront you one on one. They come in pairs. Or more.

Therefore i always carry a reload. Doesnít cost me anything but a few more ounces in the pocket. And I would rather be over prepared than not.

I carry a Kimber K6 with a speed strip.


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Old 06-13-2018, 08:41 AM
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If a 5 shot snubby's what you shoot best, that's what you need to carry. 5 shots on target beats 17+1 all over the place every time.
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:51 AM
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J frames make ideal personal defense weapons but you need to think twice should you find yourself in the middle of a small riot or robbery in progress.

For a tragic case of how not to use a J frame, Google the Sgt. James O'Sullivan shooting at a lower Manhattan (NY) Radio shack.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:15 AM
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Why not have two spare tires in your trunk instead of one?

Why not install a sprinkler system in your house in case of fire?

Why not wear body armor 24/7?

Why not put bullet resistant glass in your home's windows?

These are all things you can do, but few do them. Wonder why?
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:11 AM
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As an old retired cop, like so many others here, I have found my armaments needs/desires have evolved over time. I've always been a "gun guy" and was a firearms instructor and SWAT for most of my 37 years. I started with revolvers and found the j-frames met most of my off-duty and BUG needs most of the time. If circumstances or locale dictated that I carry more rounds or higher capacity, I always had a 1911 in the 70's and 80's that I could carry in place of the j-frame.

However, as many have said in this thread, the j-frame is just an outstanding option for a large part of the time. I've been retired for 4 years now, and find I have moved away from the Glocks and similar guns over time. The j-frame, Glock 43, Shield or a CCO version of 1911 most often gets the nod. I feel quite comfortable with the j-frame and a couple of speed strips or speed loaders most of the time, whether in a pocket or at 3:00 OWB.

Just to clarify that I have not totally abandoned my training and tactical mindset, I always have a Glock 19 with extra mags in a armored lock box concealed in my truck, so there is more armament available if it gets weird. It's always better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:53 AM
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I've seen a lot of surveillance videos posted on youtube showing armed civilians legally defending themselves against armed an attacker/s. 99% of them either get dropped or run away after the first or second shot. There is an argument whether capacity is an issue or not. Is a 17 round magazine better than a 5 shot revolver? Probably, however as I pointed out most civilian armed encounters are resolved within 1-3 shots fired. There have been times when LEO or civilians have fired more than 3 rounds. Fired up to 15-20 rounds, but that is a question of shot placement & training rather than a major gun battle.

I feel perfectly fine with my 642 and a speed strip of Remington G&W box of 38 special +P in my pocket.
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:44 PM
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J frames make ideal personal defense weapons but you need to think twice should you find yourself in the middle of a small riot or robbery in progress.

For a tragic case of how not to use a J frame, Google the Sgt. James O'Sullivan shooting at a lower Manhattan (NY) Radio shack.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:38 PM
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If the answer is no to all of the above, a snub will suit you just fine.
The phrase "suit you fine" indicates the minimum necessary or desired. When I'm running (up to 4+ miles now!) I carry a snub, any other time I carry something more than the minimum.
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:28 PM
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Let me set finances aside for a moment to consider if I would wear a Rolex or a Timex wrist watch?

If I still had an "outside job" working with my hands I would probably be practical and pick the budget timepiece.

But I'm at a place in my life where I enjoy the touch of nice things. I would probably chose a Rolex today. I would enjoy looking at it. Cleaning it and fondling it. They are beautiful, classic, and something to pass to one of my sons.

I don't wear a watch though. I have a smart phone that I can't escape. My job requires that I'm always in contact. So I carry that cellphone in a fine leather case instead of in a Wal*Mart toe sack stuck up under my belt.
If I want to know what time it is....I whip out that fancy cellphone of mine.

I carry my weapon everyday. I don't get into a gunfight everyday.

When my feet hit the floor I think about the Lucchese elephant boots that I'm going to slip my feet down into. I think about the Ranger belt with the silver buckle set and the starched jeans with creases. The starched roper long sleeve shirt. The Resistol or Stetson hat of the day.

Right then I decide if I'm going to want to carry a beautiful, classic S&W revolver or a sharp stick. I hold it up and admire the classic lines. The heft is comforting. It's cool steel from spending the night on the bedside table will soon be my own body temperature from the most intimate and personal contact with me. All day long I will be enjoying the comfort and luxury of that fine firearm next to me.

Why?
Because I can.

I have some semi-autos that I can shoot much further much more accurately. My finger gets tired pulling the trigger before I run out of rounds. I just don't get the same esthetic feel from them that I get from my steel S&W revolvers. They lack the beauty and feel of quality that my revolvers give me.

So what I'm telling you is that I could run a foot race better in sport trainers or tennis shoes but I feel better in a nice pair of boots. It's about what I do. The accessories that I choose for my mission.

Either you dig this trip or it's blowing past ya.
I'm not going to worry about shooting 5 guys tomorrow or 19 guys. I'm gonna worry about "The Total Package" of being outfitted with gear that will fit my needs, with style and class.

So is 5 rounds enough for what I have to do tomorrow?
I'm really thinking about this silver rodeo buckle that I saw last week end. It had this chrome plated, pearl handled one shot derringer mounted to it on a spring loaded hinge. You mash a hidden button on the top of the buckle and it springs out into action, firing a shot into the gut of the person standing in front of you.

Yeah, the longer I'm studying on this....I could probably get by tomorrow with just one bullet.
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I qualify in several categories listed in the "Age And The Snubnose" article. I carry a J-frame. But I've carried one for almost twenty years anyway, since before I got old and ill. It's what I feel comfortable and confident with.
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Some of us carry an S&W J or Colt DS because weíre just ď really really that good!!!
Practice Practice.
With 5 in a 460 Snubby...... who would dare approach!

While anyone can be startled.... even if you did teach Berets hand to hand back in the Ď60s...... not me.... my chief instructor ..... itís tough to carry a big gun/lotsa ammo in South Florida at times.

My small frame pilot buddies from back then went directly to Glocks decades later and found the 1911s with OEM grips too thin.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:35 AM
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Let me set finances aside for a moment to consider if I would wear a Rolex or a Timex wrist watch?

I'm not going to worry about shooting 5 guys tomorrow or 19 guys. I'm gonna worry about "The Total Package" of being outfitted with gear that will fit my needs, with style and class.


I'll start by saying my Uncle was a watch maker/fixer on the GI bill after he mustered out in 1946.
As a young boy I once ask him what the best watch out there was he said it was the Longines Wittnauer.

But then he told me the best watch for the money was the Timex, "takes a licking and keeps on ticking" (when America still made them)


As far as the comment about 'style & class' kinda of hearkens to a saying about horseshoes & hand grenades and good luck with all that.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:52 AM
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As said before if you need more than five shots that's some sloppy shooting. Practice shooting more than the armchair and keyboard.
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The phrase "suit you fine" indicates the minimum necessary or desired. When I'm running (up to 4+ miles now!) I carry a snub, any other time I carry something more than the minimum.
What is the standard that you are going by to determine minimum? How many gunfights have you been in? rounds fired in self defense count? Just trying to understand what your minimum is.
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In my mind, simply being armed with an effective handgun is much more important than ammo capacity. Most dirtbags don't plan on armed resistance. I'm referring to a concealed handgun. Surprise multiplies your effectiveness and gives you a better chance of escape, survival. IMHO, the J frames (and similar)are the smallest, easiest to carry weapons that remain truly effective. I wouldn't ever choose a J frame if I was planning a gunfight, but if you live to limit your risk, the J frames are a good choice.
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I think that is the only thing offensive in the post. One shouldn't assume that all cops are 'gun guys' and can offer better advice than anyone else.

Carry whatever makes you comfortable.
That's right. Watch some "Live PD" episodes. You see that outside of their glock some are clueless. Most cops are not gun people. Their gun is just a tool on their belt. While a few are jun savvy like the rest of us.
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CCW's are of personal taste just like clothes/cars and food..........You won't
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This again.

I think we all make compromises in our decisions. I could carry two Beretta M9's with two spare 30 round stick magazines. I could compromise and carry one such wonder-nine with a 17 round magazine. Or I could compromise further and carry a single stack compact .45 like my Colt Defender. Or compromise further and carry my M649 with five rounds of .357 magnum. Or even further and just carry my Benchmade or Spyderco.

All of these options come with benefits and costs.
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... when I go out into the world, I almost feel naked if I don't have at least 8 rounds in the gun (preferably 10 or more) & a re-load.

For those that just carry a 5 shot, why do you feel that's enough gun in today's crazy world? In most of the real life videos I've seen, 5 rounds just doesn't seem enough. ...
I used to carry a 6-shot revolver on-duty for several years in the 80's as a younger cop, so a 5-shot snub revolver only "cost" 1 round of capacity.

Back in those early service revolver days I often carried a 6-shot revolver or a 1911 with 7rd mags on my own time, and finally transitioned to 5-shot snubs for the convenience of carrying something lighter (like a 3" M36, or an older 649 Bodyguard .38 or a .44SPL Charter Arms Bulldog).

When I put away the revolvers I transitioned to a 3913, which uses 8rd mags. Although I was carrying an issued 6906 on-duty for a while, I preferred the slimmer frame of the 3913 on my own time, even though it lacked 4 rounds compared to the 6906. I later carried a CS45 (6rd mag), an early 4513TSW (6rd mag) and CS9 (7rd mag), too, so it's not like I was a particularly enthusiastic proponent of hi-cap guns on my own time.

Sure, nowadays I own some 9's, .40's and a .45 that use 9, 10 or 12rd mags (my single "hi-cap" pistol is a 12+1 .40), but I still prefer to carry one of my many 5-shot snubs as retirement weapons ... if I'm not carrying one of my pair of LCP's (6rd mags).

In older days it was pretty common to find LE firearms instructors carrying one or another 5-shot .38 snub on their own time, even if they carried a higher capacity pistol on-duty. The most common answer heard to the question "Why a 5-shot snub?" was usually that they were only carrying it against the potential need to defend against 1-2 attackers.

Now, something to also consider is that it's been said by some folks that a 2" snub revolver is more of an "expert's weapon" than one easily mastered by a novice.

Well, to be fair, the very attributes that make the little snubs so popular are also usually the very reasons that they can be harder to shoot accurately and controllably. Small grip, heavy DA/DAO trigger pull and greater felt recoil (due to the light weight), especially if the gun is rated for the use of +P loads. And even more especially if one of the Airweights, Airlites or PD models is being used.

As a longtime revolver shooter, though, and having carried revolvers on & off-duty as a cop, and then as a LE firearms instructor being able to spend a lot of time at a LE-Only range to practice my skills, I grew to appreciate the virtues of the small 5-shot snubs increasingly more over the years.

Modern ammunition improvements have given us better JHP ammo, too, meaning some bullets and loads tweaked for better "performance" (some potential for expansion) out of the short-barreled guns.

Given my druthers, I'll only get out one of my 9, .40 or .45 belt guns if I feel my planned activities are going to involve places and circumstances where I suspect a higher risk potential. Otherwise, for most of my "normal" retirement days/nights and activities, pocket-holstering one of my many J-frame snubs (or one of my LCP .380's) satisfy my perceived needs.

I don't presume to be able to make such decisions for anyone else, though. Not my business.

It's just that having carried one or another badge for 34 years, and having served as a LE firearms instructor for 26 years, I've acquired what I consider to be a sufficient amount of experience and training to be able to form an opinion about what makes me feel comfortable making such risk assessments and decisions for myself.

BTW, a couple of my last issued duty weapons were a 7+1 compact .45, and then a 8+1 compact 9, followed by a 15+1 .40 (when compact weapons were basically phased out with new full-size pistols in 9, .40 & .45, for ease of inventory control, procurement, etc). While I've previously carried some hi-cap pistols, I didn't invest as much attention to them on my own time as some other folks.

But then, I never felt exactly under-equipped even when carrying an issued .357 MAG revolver, either. For me it was more about being able to shoot accurately, and handle manipulation and loading smoothly and easily enough.

As an instructor, I've seen at least my fair share of folks who couldn't fire hi-cap duty pistols as quickly or as accurately as I could use my 5-shot snubs ... although granted, they didn't have to reload as often I did in the same courses-of-fire.

It's more about risk assessment, and hopefully also involves a frank self-appraisal of one's handgun foundation skillset.

It's just a handgun.
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I don't trust small autos, and big autos are too big for me to carry, so I carry j frames.
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Thanks for all the great responses.

As for me, I fell in love with Glocks in 1989. A young Marine showed-up with one to a Firearms class I had while the rest of us were using 686's (actually owned and issued by a Junior College).

I went through the Academy in 1990 with a Dept. issued model 15, and quickly transitioned to my own 686 after graduation. I picked-up a S&W 469 and carried that off-duty for a year or so. Also picked-up a model 36 just to have something smaller. I can only ever recall carrying that once in a ankle holster on a night out. In late 91', I bought my first Glock 19 for off-duty. Than transitioned to a Glock 17 for Duty in 92'. Since than, it's always been hi-caps (5904 for awhile and finished with a G22). And any J frame I owned over the years served as a back-up gun. Once in awhile, I'd throw on a 6 shot S&W for off-duty.

Now I'm retired, I'm still carry a Glock. Usually a 23, 19, 27, or 43. Backed-up by a Ruger LCP. I'm a big guy, and "dress around the gun".

I actually get to the range several times a month now, and am a better shot now than when I was on the job. Although it seems Arthritis is setting in on my trigger finger (Joint feels sore after shooting?). I still don't shoot J frames all that well, but that's probably from lack of practice.

Maybe with more practice and when I get tired of carry a big gun, I'll transition into a J frame. They sure are light.

Again, thanks for all the great info.
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i have always carried a J frame. First a model 60 no dash and then I bought a 642. So I have been limited to 5 shots. Ok sometimes I have carried a model 659. It makes a good club too I'm like the OP. I have been watching videos also. If you have to ask it is Active Self Protection. Yes a lot of the videos are from outside the US. I think other countries employ more cameras than we do, and they are a bit more lawless too.

So yes I have begun to wonder about whether 5 shots are enough. I am an older disabled person and have recently had hand surgery. It will be a year before it is back to 100% and then I will have the right hand done. The thoughts of trying to reload under pressure does worry me. If you are trying to do a double tap and you have more than one attacker and your shot placement isn't near perfect you may have a problem.

Like I said, I'm beginning to reevaluate my choice in weapons. The only person that can decide for me is me. You get to make the same choices.
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Here in TEXAS, with a CHL license, you are legal to carry OPEN or CONCEALED.
There are some restrictions that dis-allow open carry inside some "posted establishments".
Basic Law here allows you to carry in your car, as it is considered your abode.

I have seen signs on the OUTSIDE of some places that do not allow outside visible carry of a firearm, but do allow concealed.
Always read the signs. They must be posted outside where one can see and read them.
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I've seen a lot of surveillance videos posted on youtube showing armed civilians legally defending themselves against armed an attacker/s. 99% of them either get dropped or run away after the first or second shot. There is an argument whether capacity is an issue or not. Is a 17 round magazine better than a 5 shot revolver? Probably, however as I pointed out most civilian armed encounters are resolved within 1-3 shots fired. There have been times when LEO or civilians have fired more than 3 rounds. Fired up to 15-20 rounds, but that is a question of shot placement & training rather than a major gun battle.

I feel perfectly fine with my 642 and a speed strip of Remington G&W box of 38 special +P in my pocket.
IF you only carry for a single potential mugger, yes a 5 shot is probably sufficient. Consider in todays enviro of the fanatic religious terrorist or just multiple attackers, I personally want a something I can fight with from contact to 50y & 1 to as many attackers as may appear. We each have our own threat assessment, but imo, the 5 shot j-frame is best as a bug, not a primary.
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i have always carried a J frame. First a model 60 no dash and then I bought a 642. So I have been limited to 5 shots. Ok sometimes I have carried a model 659. It makes a good club too I'm like the OP. I have been watching videos also. If you have to ask it is Active Self Protection. Yes a lot of the videos are from outside the US. I think other countries employ more cameras than we do, and they are a bit more lawless too.

So yes I have begun to wonder about whether 5 shots are enough. I am an older disabled person and have recently had hand surgery. It will be a year before it is back to 100% and then I will have the right hand done. The thoughts of trying to reload under pressure does worry me. If you are trying to do a double tap and you have more than one attacker and your shot placement isn't near perfect you may have a problem.

Like I said, I'm beginning to reevaluate my choice in weapons. The only person that can decide for me is me. You get to make the same choices.
Something you might consider is getting another 642 and carry two of them.

10 shots of 38+P without reloading is pretty formidable.
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Does anybody have some links to all these videos(or news reports) of civilians carrying concealed being forced to engage multiple armed assailants in ranged gunfights, because I'm just not finding them. And while you're at it, please share all the incidents you can find where civilians had to perform a reload. Thanks.

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Something you might consider is getting another 642 and carry two of them.

10 shots of 38+P without reloading is pretty formidable.
Early on in my LE career (late 70's) I decided on j frames as backup and off-duty and have never looked back. Sure I experimented with lots of autos over the years, but nothing gave me the confidence that the wheelguns did.

Full disclosure: I had a 9mm Shield for a while and loved it. Gave it to my daughter when Utah allowed teachers to ccw. I also own a Glock 19, 26, and 43. I shoot the j frames better than even those.

Now old and retired (mostly tired!) this is my edc. The 640-1 goes aiwb, and the 49 goes in the weak side pocket. Works for me.
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A very rationale perspective IMO... The Thinking Gunfighter: THE MYTH OF MURPHY'S LAW: Why "better to have it and not need it" fails the test.
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Does anybody have some links to all these videos(or news reports) of civilians carrying concealed being forced to engage multiple armed assailants in ranged gunfights, because I'm just not finding them. And while you're at it, please share all the incidents you can find where civilians had to perform a reload. Thanks.
Not being argumentative. You asked for instances. Two from ASP come to mind over the last few years. I did a quick search, but they didn't pop right away.

The first was a shop owner and his son in the US (Calif maybe) against three armed assailants. The owner had a 1911 he fumbled with. He didn't make it. 3 armed vs 1 was too many. There was a thread here about it.

The second was out of India or East Asia. A shop keeper against five. The shop keeper had a 5 shot revolver. One BG had a revolver and the rest had clubs or tire irons. The shop keeper disabled two with his five shots, wasn't able to reload, then took a pretty good beating escaping from the rest.
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It usually rides on my right hip with occasional pocket carry. I made myself the iwb holster but have yet to use it outside of the house.
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I think for me, 5 is probably adequate, but for a slightly different reason. I practice shooting side by side IPSC targets at 1 yard from concealment. I can put 4 shots COM in two targets (2 each) in a little over two seconds on a square range, using a shot timer, while not actually being assaulted (limited stress). If there was a real-life third attacker, I don't think I'm going to get shots on target fast enough before the third could draw and shoot me. Three or more vs one, the odds seem to start going south really quickly. Doesn't mean I wouldn't try, but 3 vs 1 isn't good no matter how many rounds you have.
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Does anybody have some links to all these videos(or news reports) of civilians carrying concealed being forced to engage multiple armed assailants in ranged gunfights, because I'm just not finding them. And while you're at it, please share all the incidents you can find where civilians had to perform a reload. Thanks.
While not quite 100% responsive to the structured question, this story immediately came to mind from two and a half months ago, noon time weekday and presumably a combat reload would have been wise....

Oklahoma Man Uses AR-15 to Kill Three Teen Home Intruders

I would also point out the well-covered Trolley Square mall shooting, where the good guy with a gun was extremely limited in the action he could take because he had eight in the gun (IIRC) and no reload. After he took a few shots at the active shooter, he was at a major disadvantage due to low ammo, regardless of his considerable heroics. To the posed question, you do not reload when you lack a reload.

Those real life cases resonate with me because (1) I have been to Trolley Square and the Omaha Van Maur personally and (2) know at least one unarmed person who hid in the back of a store two years ago during a similar mall shooting incident (for hours... in a mostly non-CCW state... waiting for LE to clear a four-story mall). Add in the outlier Nairobi mall as the most worst case along with other mall attacks like St. Cloud MN, Portland OR, et al. The series of mall incidents absolutely reinforces my thought process on what is well within the realm of possibility in any public space, including ones I have personally found myself in.
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I have no issue with carrying a five shot "snubbie." I also don't feel under gunned carrying it.

But my five shot snubbie has a big hole in the barrel.





All jokes aside, I just returned home after qualifying with the 296. It was painful. I carried a 342ti loaded with .38 +P ammo for years and I told everyone that that gun was 364 days of pleasure and one day of pain (qualification day). Unfortunately the recoil with the 296 was much more painful. After 60 rounds I had blood dripping from the web of my right hand. Luckily I qualified as I could not have fired another round.
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You guys with your newfangled J frames.

All I need is my I-frame and five rounds of mighty .38 S&W lead round nose.







The zip strip is for show. I don't carry a reload.

I used to go into really bad people's homes, pull them out, and take them to jail, sometimes for ever. Now I go to Home Depot and buy grass seed. I figure the Terrier can handle it.
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Does anybody have some links to all these videos(or news reports) of civilians carrying concealed being forced to engage multiple armed assailants in ranged gunfights, because I'm just not finding them. And while you're at it, please share all the incidents you can find where civilians had to perform a reload. Thanks.
It's more urban myth than anything and b.s. being told as fact on YouTube and gun forums.

However nothing can deny that 'psychological advantage', that is real and it works for people.
People hate change pure and simple. And perhaps only being lucky in a career was just that. It use to be on average a cop never even drew their side arm in their careers much less shot anyone.

But real world stats for cop killings look horrible when they where just using revolvers, albeit a good percentage where facing rifles but a good many got killed just reloading.

I personally do not feel safe with a snubby, it's a belly gun, hard to master beyond that. If you got ex amount of years under your belt with practicing with one more power to you.
Here's the kicker though, I trust them. I don't trust semi-automatics.

And I only carry because I can't run anymore. It will be my last ditch effort as they are on top of me rifling through my pockets. If's it only one maybe it's good, two or more who's to say. And these kids today at 17 or 19 will kill you without even thinking about the consequences. More dangerous than a 40 something year old ex-con.

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I did, probably would not have been able to shoot the second round with the ones on it in the photo.
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" But real world stats for cop killings look horrible when they where just using revolvers, albeit a good percentage where facing rifles but a good many got killed just reloading."

I don't believe there are documented examples of police officers being killed while trying to reload a revolver.
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Take a look at this one.
Only one assailant but two defenders. 5 shot snubby ran out so the second defender chipped in with shots from a small automatic. If the first women had more than 5 shots whe would not have gotten pistol whipped.
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I don't believe there are documented examples of police officers being killed while trying to reload a revolver.
It gets worst, in the Newhall incident some think they one was killed because of the practice they had learn at the academy of picking up their brass before a reload.
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" But real world stats for cop killings look horrible when they where just using revolvers, albeit a good percentage where facing rifles but a good many got killed just reloading."

I don't believe there are documented examples of police officers being killed while trying to reload a revolver.
I believe at least one of the CHP officers killed in the Newhall incident was in the process of attempting a reload.

In the 1986 Miami FBI shootout reloading was an issue as well.
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Only one assailant but two defenders. 5 shot snubby ran out so the second defender chipped in with shots from a small automatic. If the first women had more than 5 shots whe would not have gotten pistol whipped.
Videos like that make me want to carry my 686 loaded with .357. It looked like the shots hit the bad guy but didn't slow him down until much later.

He was only a couple yards away, but a moving target.
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Videos like that make me want to carry my 686 loaded with .357. It looked like the shots hit the bad guy but didn't slow him down until much later.

Yeah I hear that. Now get this, he was already shot ran out of the store came back in and pistol whip her. I'm guessing .38 special or even less. I haven't read yet what caliber she was using and many have asked. And he didn't die.

Problem with a .357 magnum in a snubby is you only really have that first shot to get right because after that it's just to uncontrollable. I carried a Ruger LCR magnum, although loaded light magnums and could blast over 150 round a range session but never knew after the first round where they were going.

You need a minimum of a 36 oz gun to even get close to taming it fully loaded we are then talking close to 40 oz. Sounds good on paper until you starting carrying that behemoth.

What's the answer then, in my case I sold that LCR and went to a 9mm auto, however I don't trust semi-automatics.
But at last I think I got my problem solve, Ruger came out with an LCR in 9mm and if you have ever shot a Ruger LCR in any flavor you will know just how utterly fantastic the trigger is right out of the box. You cannot even get a S&W 'performance center' trigger that good.

If I make the switch it will be my 3rd LCR, the first one being the .38 special only version.
And I have complete confidence in the 9mm as it rocks the same pressure rating as a .357 magnum. And did I mention even cheaper to practice with than .38 special.
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I don't see any practical benefit to going with 9mm over .38 special +p in a snub revolver. There's a lot more options available in .38, plus you don't run into the issues with crimp-jump and moon-clips like you do when using an autoloader round in a wheelgun. And I personally find the Ruger LCR trigger to be horrible. It was very easy for me to short-stroke it in rapid fire and I've seen others mentioning having the same complaints about it. Lighter doesn't equal better. And using 1 or 2 isolated cases to justify a particular choice isn't logical since there is no limit to it. There have been incidents where a Glock 17 wouldn't have held enough ammunition. In the case with the two women in the liquor store, it's just one case and there were countless mistakes made. I'm not them in that situation and never will be. You have to consider what is most likely to occur in your particular set of circumstances and and go from there basing your weapon choices and training on being the best prepared for the most probable scenarios. No matter what you choose, there will be compromises and trade-offs.
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