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Old 06-12-2018, 12:59 PM
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First off, I'm not trying to offend anyone or ruffle any feathers. Everyone is free to carry whatever they wish or feel comfortable with. I worked with several cops over the years that only carried a J frame or .380 and no re-load for it.

I own 3 J frames and several other wheel guns. In fact, my house carry is a 5 shot S&W 340 in .38 spl (see below). It's light enough to wear tucked into the waistband of draw sting elastic waist shorts. I also have quick access to larger/higher capacity guns near by.

But with that said, when I go out into the world, I almost feel naked if I don't have at least 8 rounds in the gun (preferably 10 or more) & a re-load.

For those that just carry a 5 shot, why do you feel that's enough gun in today's crazy world? In most of the real life videos I've seen, 5 rounds just doesn't seem enough. Nor is there time for a reload. Sorry if I'm stepping on any toes, just trying to understand.



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I feel 5 shots is enough because I have common sense and every statistic I've ever seen on the subject as well as the hundreds, if not thousands of video footage of actual encounters I've watched indicate that 5 round is almost assuredly sufficient. The potential for it not being so is there, but so is the potential for a higher capacity autoloader malfunctioning, especially in a ECQ scenario, which is much more likely than a high round shoot-out for a civilian.

What are these "real life videos" you've watched where 5 rounds wasn't enough?
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Considering the speed and violence of a home invasion, why do you feel 5 rds is enough in your house?

Why is 8 the right number? Or 10? Or 20?

Everything is somewhat of a compromise, short of an A-10 Warthog.
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For home protection, I have a 12-gauge. Out and about, it's either a K6 or a 640. I prefer the advantages a revolver give me, like simplicity and reliability.
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Well, I think the world I live in (as a retired computer engineer) is a lot different than the situation faced by a police officer.

I don't get involved stopping crimes that don't involve me or my wife, I don't arrest bad guys.

If I see a problem I run away from it. If an officer sees a problem he runs towards it.

So I think 5 rounds can stop a mugging at an ATM (for example).

Frankly, I'm thinking the opposite from you in that I think I might need more rounds if my home is invaded by multiple bad guys.

I'm considering keeping something with 8 or more rounds on me at home. Or perhaps two J frames.
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What are these "real life videos" you've watched where 5 rounds wasn't enough?
The one that comes to mind is the mother & daughter liquor store shooting (and other convenient store shootings). A home invasion video. I've also read/seen video's about multiple armed thug scenarios.

Based on some of the responses, this is why I've been hesitant to ask this question. But I do appreciate them. My goal isn't to change anyone's thoughts, just understand better.

As for me, I accept my J frame limitations while at home. But it's also based on my current home security set-up (cameras, barricaded front door, neighborhood, etc.).
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"For those that just carry a 5 shot, why do you feel that's enough gun in today's crazy world?"

What an interesting question. After experimentation, and a lot of careful thought, my EDC evolved from a Model 642-1 to a Model 38-0 and a Model 638-1. Lots of reasons why, but long story short, I have, among other medical issues, arthritis of both hands and wrists. While I doubt I'd ever have to do a reload under tactical conditions, it is reassuring to me to know I can access a revolver with either hand if the need arises. The ability to forgo any mechanical failures and reloads is sauce for the goose as far as I'm concerned.

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It all depends on the time of year and how I am dressed. I am pretty comfortable with a 5 shot j frame but normally what I carry depends on how I am dressed.

Hot, humid North Carolina summer, J frame in the pocket more often than not. Fall/winter and I have something heavier on, its usually an auto of 9mm or larger with at least 9+ rounds.

I dont plan on getting in a running gun battle. My whole reason for carrying is to protect my wife, daughters and myself. I am pretty comfortable with 5 rounds out of a 38 spl.
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I often just carry my little model 638 J frame. It's not optimal but it's small and light enough that I don't have an excuse not to carry it, So I always at least have 5 rounds of Buffalo Bore on me.

Lately I've been thinking very strongly about acquiring a 3 inch S&W .38 special as a primary and have the 638 as a back up or "New York reload".

Maybe a model 10 or 64 would fit the bill.
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I have routinely carried a 5 shot revolver as a CCW for the last 40 years. Normally it's been a S&W J frame in .38 Special or .357 Magnum, my current version is a 442. Lately however, I've taken to carrying a Charter Boomer, also a five shot but in .44 Special. I try to always carry at least one reload. With Bianchi Speed Strips, it's easy to carry another five rounds unobtrusively.
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Statistically, the average number of rounds fired in a personal self-defense encounter is between 1.5 and 2. Of course, other factors (such as the threat level involved - think jewelry store full of Rolex watches in an urban setting) need to be taken into account, and there is a difference between have a gun that you will carry all the time and having one readily available, such as being at home. Practice and stay safe out there!
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My everyday carry gun now is a Ruger LCR.38 (5 shot). For house guns perhaps another thread!

First off I'm not a cop and made my mind up decades ago of what I will do & when I will do it. This covers most situations but I know things can change very suddenly. My gun is to cover me and my family unless something extraordinary happens and I'm in attendance.

I watch where I go and at 72 I'm extremely street wise so its a good chance gun will stay holstered I think and hope that the five in the cylinder will be sufficient if worst comes to worst. I do most times carry a speed strip with 5 more in it.

With that said that is my standard MO, in different circumstances like going into the city or known bad places or a big incident like a prison break happened nearby instead of the Ruger I will be carrying a.45 with spare mags. A couple years ago north of us 2 murderers broke out of prison. (it was all over the national news for weeks)
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I do not carry a revolver, except for my model 60 around the farm. When I leave my property I carry a .45 with 25 rounds loaded in magazines. My wife says I am paranoid. After being a peace officer for 30 years, I call it being prepared. I learned that in the Boy Scouts.
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The one that comes to mind is the mother & daughter liquor store shooting (and other convenient store shootings). A home invasion video. I've also read/seen video's about multiple armed thug scenarios.
That's one isolated incident and when addressing armed robberies of small businesses where you are the owner/worker, I would essentially view and treat them the same as a home defense scenario. At home, I have several 9mm glocks available since I won't really have the option of avoiding/escaping in the event of a targeted home invasion as I do when carrying concealed out and about in public. Even then, the snub revolver would most likely be adequate and is on me most of the time.

You'll probably be able to find find isolated civilian defense incidents where 8 or 18 rounds wasn't enough, but they are few and far between. Odds and stats should figure into the equation and a 5 shot revolver will carry enough ammo for 99+% of the situations a civilian will encounter. We're not talking police work where proactive/intentional engagement and pursuit is the directive. Civilian armed encounters are all about avoidance and reactive self-defense.

You could say it's better to carry a higher capacity auto to be better prepared for those outliers, but again, the auto comes with it's own disadvantages, such as a far lesser degree of reliability in close-quarter/contact scenarios. In regards to armed multiple armed attackers, show me numerous or even a handful of shootouts between them and armed civilians. By contrast, I come across numerous physical assaults by unarmed multiple assailants and in such a scenario, I'll take the enclosed hammer revolver every time in that situation. Any choice is a compromise and comes with its own set of trade-offs and for me, considering the most likely situations I will face as an armed citizen, the snub revolver makes the most sense and I think the evidence backs it up.
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In the small town I live in, seems it's 2 persons in a vehicle.

Go to the city and it is 3 to 5 in a vehicle.

Small town .. j frame 5 shot.

City... 10mm auto.. 14 round mag with an extra.
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If I'm at home it's a whole different ballgame. I live in the country so besides my carry gun I have rifles available constantly for coyote defense.

Not to mention I have the overly protective German short hair land shark in my avatar. Big Dog is never more than a few feet away from us and he is not something to be trifled with.

I know he's not bulletproof but if nothing else he's an excellent early warning system on paws.
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I own 3 J frames....It's light enough to wear tucked into the waistband of draw sting elastic waist shorts.
If you like 10 rounds at the ready, I'd suggest carrying 2 J-Frames. Before the G26 I used to do that all the time. Sometimes I even carried 3 J-Frames. If need be, I'd rather grab a second J-Frame than have to reload.

Be careful with IWB carry on "draw string elastic shorts". I've lost count of how many times I've seen the holster come out with the pistol using elastic/no belt shorts/pants when mild stress is introduced.
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This past year I've spent time in Atlanta, Miami, Memphis, Chicago, Kansas City, Indianapolis, St.Louis, Nashville, Cincinnati and Cleveland and have yet to be confronted by or even seen carloads full of anything that resemble gang members. I travel to these places every year and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. I'll be back in Chicago in a couple of weeks. I'm not worried. Maybe I'm just really lucky, but I'm just not coming across these groups that so many on gun forums warn about. I am aware that there are certain areas of these cities that I would highly recommend avoiding getting out of your vehicle in, better yet avoid completely, especially after a certain hour. Easy enough to do.
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First off, I'm not trying to offend anyone or ruffle any feathers. ... I worked with several cops over the years that only carried a J frame or .380 and no re-load for it...
I think that is the only thing offensive in the post. One shouldn't assume that all cops are 'gun guys' and can offer better advice than anyone else.

Carry whatever makes you comfortable.
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Most of the time I carry this 642-1 with a Bianchi speed strip (reload)
in my pocket. Like the man said: "It's better to have it and not need it
than to need it and not have it." The Piranha is backup.
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One shouldn't assume that all cops are 'gun guys' and can offer better advice than anyone else.
Oh, that's definitely the case.

I actually recommended J frames to many non-gun cops over the years. I knew at least they might actually carry them due to there small size and should work if not properly maintained/cleaned. It's amazing how much lint accumulates on a concealed weapon.
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One great reason for a J Frame is pocket carry. Pocket carry allow me to have a hand on my gun without alerting anyone. I do not want to be without that ability. Another great reason is the J Frames ECQB advantages. Yet another is my 649 has always gone bang. That said, for "home use" I like my Mossberg 590A1. I also keep a long gun in every vehicle.
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My EDC has been a J frame for almost 50 years. I trust that platform b/c I survived three deadly force confrontations while armed w/my issued revolver, AND as a retiree I no longer go in harm’s way. Also, I’ve developed back and hip problems since retirement and carrying a heavy gun of any design is something I just cannot do. A 340PD, pocket carried, fills the bill for me.
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My EDC has been a J frame for almost 50 years. I trust that platform b/c I survived three deadly force confrontations while armed w/my issued revolver, AND as a retiree I no longer go in harmís way. Also, Iíve developed back and hip problems since retirement and carrying a heavy gun of any design is something I just cannot do. A 340PD, pocket carried, fills the bill for me.
Do you find there is a significant difference in ease of carry for you between the 340 and a 642/442?
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One other thing is the revolver's stupid simple manual of arms. I think it difficult to overstate this advantage.
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At the end of the day, carry what you feel comfortable enough with and are confident shooting.
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One thing that I find interesting about this sort of discussion is the number of J Frame proponents who are very experienced shooters and/or veteran law enforcement officers.
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One thing that I find interesting about this sort of discussion is the number of J Frame proponents who are very experienced shooters and/or veteran law enforcement officers.
There's truth in this, but you also have to consider the audience- probably not the same replies on a Glock or AR forum.
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I don't know what videos you've been watching, but I think that a statistical look at this would show that in the vast majority of cases most armed confrontations end with much fewer that 5 shots (total) being fired.
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I'm just more comfortable with a revolver....carrying, handling and shooting.

I've put 10X as many rounds through my j-frames than any of the autos I own. And they are easy to carry in almost any situation.

I know I'd be better armed with my Glock 17 and 3-4 mags of ammo if things went pear shaped...but I don't feel comfortable with that much gear on me most of the time.

I'm betting...every day....that 5 shots of .38 will be enough to get me out of harm's way. Probably not realistic...but so far so good
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When I am invited out I CCW a 12 gauge M870 with magazine extension, a M1 Carbine with a 30 round magazine, two M1911 .45acp pistols, two hand grenades, several fighting knifes, and a flame thrower on wheels.

*** I haven't been invited out in several years. I am unsure if being nude or under armed was the reason ?
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This would be my pick, but it's tough finding a pair of pants with a big enough pocket.
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Ask yourself:

Are you law enforcement?

Are you military?

Are you in a high risk job that could make you a target such as jeweler, banker, judge, prosecutor etc?

Do you do Stupid things in Stupid places, at Stupid times?

If the answer is no to all of the above, a snub will suit you just fine.

Then ask yourself: how many rounds have I had to fire in self defense?

Then realize that a firearm is just one tool in your kit and that your mind, common sense, and situational awareness can get you out of WAY more situations than your firearm and be comforted knowing a snub will suit you just fine if that is your choice..

And in case you are paranoid and fantasize about saving the day with your hicap during a terrorist attack and playing the odds.... you have way more important things to worry about

Car accident 1 in 100
Killed in a severe storm 1 in 63,800
Hit by lightning 1 in 700,000
Shark attack 1 in 11.5 million
Terrorist attack 1 in 20 million

Me? I like lightweight, reliable even bone dry for 5 shots, and easy to conceal. So the snub is perfect for me. I own many semi's, I choose to carry a snub and I am a young'un. Raised on Glocks and Berettas on the TV.

When it comes to firearms as the tool, training to hit central nervous system parts that stop the threat with one hand, two hands, stationary, and on the move is WAY more important than the firearm you carry.



I like lightweight and do not like my pockets to be bulked out.... and I just love the lines of a good ol roscoe!


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The one that comes to mind is the mother & daughter liquor store shooting (and other convenient store shootings).
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IIRC, in that specific case, only having 5 shots probably saved the mom's life. Didn't the BG take the revolver away in the wrestling match, point it at the mom over the counter, pulled the trigger a couple times, and it just went 'click' because the mom had shot all 5.

Not being argumentative. I'm not sure if 5 is better or worse than 15, but in that specific case, it seems like the mom was lucky she only had 5.
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IIRC, in that specific case, only having 5 shots probably saved the mom's life. Didn't the BG take the revolver away in the wrestling match, point it at the mom over the counter, pulled the trigger a couple times, and it just went 'click' because the mom had shot all 5.

Not being argumentative. I'm not sure if 5 is better or worse than 15, but in that specific case, it seems like the mom was lucky she only had 5.
I am going to go out on a ledge here and call that a shot placement and bullet selection problem not a problem with the caliber.

Most people buy these guns, never train, and buy the cheapest Winchester white box ball ammo to fill it with. The gun is not a magic talisman warding off evil, you need to learn and train to use it.

38 special was used by law enforcement in many countries for many years to dispatch dirt bags successful.

I only assume all of this because she shot 5 the other girl shot 5 or six and he was only hit three times that shot placement could be the issue here.
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I have depended on snub nosed revolvers, on and off the clock, for most of my career. At work I carry a SP-101 or 64-2, with a 340M&P as a BUG. Off duty I carry the 340, although the 12-2 I acquired early this year is also getting carried a lot. The revolvers do what I need them to do, and I have confidence in carrying them.

The revolver is a good choice for me, based on my circumstances. I'm a plain clothes investigator, not a uniform. Most of my job entails knocking on doors and asking questions. Can bad things happen doing that? They can and have, but nothing my revolver wouldn't have resolved if it went that far south. The most important tools I have are my brain and my mouth. I've been fortunate over the last 21 years that I've been able to persuade most of the idiots not to do something dumb. The others could be resolved with more hands on methods. With luck I'll get to retirement without having to pull the trigger (the paperwork would be awful). I am also lucky to work with some first rate partners, so I'm not just depending on me and my revolver. The really bad characters get handed off to the tactical guys.

I figure everyone should carry what they feel the most comfortable with. Although if somebody figures out how to carry an A-10 around be sure to let me know.
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MrX: There is a significant difference in my ability to carry the 340PD as opposed to the 442/642 due to the much lighter weight. Also, pocket carry, w/a holster, does not print as much b/c there is less sagging in the pocket, especially w/dress slacks. For me the significant difference in price was worth it. Hope that was helpful.
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Do you find there is a significant difference in ease of carry for you between the 340 and a 642/442?
I know this was not directed to me but I'll weigh in since I own both a 442PC and a 360PD. Both are certainly adequate for pocket carry but there is almost a 4 oz difference in empty weight. Doesn't sound like much but for pocket carry, it is noticeable and does add comfort.
p.s. I carry 38 +P in both guns . The 11.5 oz 360 is not friendly with 357 rounds. I got my it cheap from it's previous owner who found that out with only 2 shots fired :-)
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Everybody's needs/wants/situations are different. Personally, I'm not LE or military. I'm going to avoid or runaway if possible. As has been stated before, the vast majority of self defense encounters, where shots are actually fired, will be resolved within a few rounds, one way or another. People more experienced than myself have said that one is more likely to run out of time than ammo.

Additionally, most videos of actual civilian self defense shootings I've seen end up with the attackers, in the case of multiple assailants, running away (or trying to) as soon as shots are fired, since even bad guys don't want to get shot.

Are there times when 5 rounds aren't enough? Of course. There've also been times when 20 rounds wasn't enough.

I live in a relatively high crime area, but I'm ok with carrying a 642. Most of the time I'm even unarmed (employer rules and the law say I can't carry while working). I view a gun as one tool in my self defense toolbox. It's a good tool to have, and I would prefer having one with me everywhere I go, but I don't rely on it as my only tool, even when I'm carrying it.

If you want to carry more, then do so. There's nothing wrong with carrying more. The only problem I have is with people who have the mentality that unless you're carrying a Glock 19 with 2 mags, a BUG with at least one reload, 3 knives, 2 flashlights, and a partridge in a pear tree, then you're unprepared and will die in a gunfight (I'm not saying you, or anyone else here, is saying that, but I have seen that mentality around). There's a lot more to surviving than hardware.

Now, for full disclosure, I do plan on getting a compact 9mm by summer's end (*fingers crossed*), but mostly as a carry option as my only choices right now are either a 642 or my full-size Beretta 92FS. I don't know if it would replace my 642 as my EDC, but it might. However, I still consider my 642 an adequate carry gun.

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Two J-Frames plus’s reloads every day for me. Most of my Police friends didn’t carry more than a 380 or Snub, off duty. A few carried bigger semi-Autos and quit a few never carried off duty.
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I almost feel naked if I don't have at least 8 rounds in the gun (preferably 10 or more) & a re-load.

I love revolvers because of the simplicity and no worries about limp wrist malfunctions. But like you I feel I've got to have more ammo and the quicker reloads.

I keep switching back and forth. What we each have to do is assess what are real world daily routine entails and then make a decision based on that. And that covers what are capabilities are as well as how we appear/look out there. Meaning if we look weak or frail the thugs are coming after us.

That's the way it generally rolls, in my scenario I got easy target written all over me and the way things are now out here they are like wolves in packs.
I'm not fooling myself with shot placement because the truth for me is I will never see it coming until I'm on my a-- most likely and if I do I'm going spray.
(doubt there will be time for pray)

That being said I can no longer do 5 or 6 in a cylinder. Minimum for me now is 15 on tap with two 15 round back-ups for a total of 45 rounds on my person at all times. (with ammo in the car)

That all means it's semi-automatic, no more revolvers.
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Ask yourself:

Are you law enforcement?

Are you military?

Are you in a high risk job that could make you a target such as jeweler, banker, judge, prosecutor etc?

Do you do Stupid things in Stupid places, at Stupid times?

If the answer is no to all of the above, a snub will suit you just fine.
With respect, I think your list is incomplete. How about:

Are you disabled?
Are you aged?
Are you female?
Are you a member of a ethnic minority?
Are you someone that some idiot(s) doesn't like and decides to target for an attack?
Are you _________ (fill in the blank)

Luckily, I've never been involved in an armed encounter, but I've been able to walk away or otherwise avoid attacks on several occasions. At times, people didn't like my appearance - I'm a short, fat, Asian dude. I'm also disabled, so yeah, I've been viewed as a target, but luckily haven't been hit yet. My point is that sometimes, despite your best efforts or intentions, someone decides they have a reason to attack you.

I carry concealed whenever possible. I recall an old saying I never understood when I was young: "Never get into a fight with an old man. He can't run, and he can't fight, so he'll just kill you." Now that I'm an older guy (62), that saying describes me quite well.

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There's truth in this, but you also have to consider the audience- probably not the same replies on a Glock or AR forum.
I predominately spend my time between this message board and glocktalk. Though occasionally I wander over to the sig and HK forums... and one thing that I find very interesting, is that more glock guys shoot revolvers than the sig and HK guys.

That mirrors my own personal preferences too. After 20 years of being a revolver guy, the only bottom feeders I will carry/play with are glocks.

As to the J-frame being enough, honestly it is my last line of carry when I cannot carry anything else. I would prefer my 657 UDR, glock 26, Glock 17L or a 3" 686+. Generally in that order.

In my day-to-day home life I don't give a dang if I print, I live in the country and nobody cares out here. But in my work life with a polyester uniform, printing has to be avoided so I am limited to pocket carrying a J-frame. Do I feel under gunned? Not really. Am I happy about a 5 shot J? Not really. I would prefer a larger gun carried AIWB for no other reason that I like the other guns more.
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I only carry when I take my trike on select trails where there is a risk of wildlife interaction. I currently can only carry my Governor and it is loaded with 000 buck and the first two rounds are rubber. The trike carries the burden of the weight which is mounted on the boom in front of me. After trying the shoulder rig for the Governor (too uncomfortable in reclined position) and then mounting it on the boom I have found that my 5 shot 460V will not fit in the allocated space on the trike. This means I have to buy a replacement, it pains me to have to get the 3 inch 460XVR, darn the bad luck.
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I carry one speed strip reload w/my 340PD plus two speed loaders in the car. While I doubt I’ll ever need to recharge my 340 you just never know.
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For those that just carry a 5 shot, why do you feel that's enough gun in today's crazy world?
Friend, questions like this are why the internet exists. There will be those that don't like it and those that do. It's the endless caliber/capacity/type/oil debate; there is no correct answer.

Statistics say that only two or three shots are enough. Alas, there is always a chance you'll need another round. No one ever left a gun fight thinking, "Man I wish I had brought less ammo." But those who say 5 is enough are not wrong either.

I choose to look at it a different way; which gun do you shoot best? If it's a 1911, then carry that. If it's a NAA micro gun, carry that. If it's a .38Spl snubby, carry that. The gun you shoot best, or feel best with, is the gun that you'll be more able to defend yourself with when you're panicked, stressed and just trying to live to tomorrow.
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These days in some areas the bad guys aren’t man enough to confront you one on one. They come in pairs. Or more.

Therefore i always carry a reload. Doesn’t cost me anything but a few more ounces in the pocket. And I would rather be over prepared than not.

I carry a Kimber K6 with a speed strip.
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With respect, I think your list is incomplete. How about:

Are you disabled?
Are you aged?
Are you female?
Are you a member of a ethnic minority?
Are you someone that some idiot(s) doesn't like and decides to target for an attack?
Are you _________ (fill in the blank)

Luckily, I've never been involved in an armed encounter, but I've been able to walk away or otherwise avoid attacks on several occasions. At times, people didn't like my appearance - I'm a short, fat, Asian dude. I'm also disabled, so yeah, I've been viewed as a target, but luckily haven't been hit yet. My point is that sometimes, despite your best efforts or intentions, someone decides they have a reason to attack you.

I carry concealed whenever possible. I recall an old saying I never understood when I was young: "Never get into a fight with an old man. He can't run, and he can't fight, so he'll just kill you." Now that I'm an older guy (62), that saying describes me quite well.

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I live a pretty low risk life. I've always figured I'd be dead if it came to the point that I needed to reload.
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