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My old AMT Backup .380 has always gone bang when the 14# trigger was pulled. That is until it has shot between 75 to 100 rounds after which it starts to malfunction.
It has been replaced several times over the years but I still carry it when I need a tiny concealable backup.

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I have carried the J-Frame, mostly a light weight, for self-defense now for almost fifty years. I had a short period where I carried the Kahr Psomethingerother, but I came back to the J.

My latest love is the Ruger LCR, I have one, my wife has one and I have a second one, a three inch with the adjustable sights I take with me when going off for more than a few days (carries as well as a two inch under my T-shirt).

But my right hand is getting wimpy. It hurts like the devil after shooting (hurts pretty much after anything or nothing at all).

My VA Ortho guy says it's arthritis and a bad tendon. He is gonna re-route the tendon thru my thumb and clean out the arthritis. Will be in a cast 6 weeks and he's gonna do it in the early fall (if I don't chicken out).

So it really hurts to shoot my J-Frames. It hurts less to shoot my Glock 43, but it still smarts.

My buddy had a near new Glock 42 with the Trijicon HD sites (I put them on all my autos) and sold it to me with three mags for $400.

I admit to being skeptical of the accuracy and power. I bought a LOT of Hornady Critical Defense and started going to the range.

Accuracy was great, especially shooting fast (for an old guy) at relatively short distances. Gun fit my hand well and it was really easy to keep it on target. It always went "Bang!" and never failed to function like it should.

But the best thing, for me at least, was the real absence of felt recoil. It felt like I was shooting a .22 or close to it. No pain at all, even when shooting a couple hundred rounds (which I could no longer even think of doing with the J-Frames).

I bought a Clip-Draw for it and carefully insert it onto my jeans/shorts waist band just right of my belly button, let the T-shirt fall and it simply disappears.

I have read of a number of guys who use the trigger guard holsters (Mic-style) AND the Clip Draw, but I just can't figure a way to do that and get the gun out and ready to use in a reasonable time though I have tried several times to make the two work together.

Anyway, the Glock 42 is a hand saver (maybe better described as a pain saver) for me.

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My wife has a glock 42, and I agree that it's the lowest felt recoil of any .380 I have shot, especially when loaded with Federal HST Micro or Hornady Critical Defense. My .380 is a S&W Bodyguard w/Crimson Trace Laser.
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I have read of a number of guys who use the trigger guard holsters (Mic-style) AND the Clip Draw, but I just can't figure a way to do that and get the gun out and ready to use in a reasonable time though I have tried several times to make the two work together.

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Those trigger guard holsters are intended to be used "passively" by that that they mean you anchor the lanyard to your belt or belt loop, tuck your pistol where you carry it, and just yank that pistol out - the lanyard "unholsters" it for you.
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LCP 2nd version of the original and the mag has popped a few times over the years.
S&Walther PPKs ..... tack driver with almost any ammo.... my favorite.
Primary Tropical carry.
XTP/JRN @ 115gr bullets or Penn 100gr .355” leads.

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LCP 2nd version of the original and the mag has popped a few times over the years.
S&Walther PPKs ..... tack driver with almost any ammo.... my favorite.
Primary Tropical carry.
XTP/JRN @ 115gr bullets or Penn 100gr .355Ē leads.
My LCP is the same model and has the same mag problem. Iím wondering if the LCP2 solved this issue.
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I went to the range today to get more time behind my J frames. I threw the LCP in my bag to burn up the remainder of my .380 ammo and it ran perfectly, as usual. It would be the perfect deep carry IF the mag would stay put in my pocket.
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I went to the range today to get more time behind my J frames. I threw the LCP in my bag to burn up the remainder of my .380 ammo and it ran perfectly, as usual. It would be the perfect deep carry IF the mag would stay put in my pocket.
I might have missed it earlier. Which pocket holster? Maybe a different holster would protect the release button better.
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I might have missed it earlier. Which pocket holster? Maybe a different holster would protect the release button better.
In answer to your Q Iíve tried many different holsters to no avail. Some cover the mag button and some donít. When this happened I was using the Ruger pocket holster that came in the box w/the gun.
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In answer to your Q I’ve tried many different holsters to no avail. Some cover the mag button and some don’t. When this happened I was using the Ruger pocket holster that came in the box w/the gun.
Two thoughts (but only if you otherwise like the lcp).

First would be to call Ruger and see what they say. I’ve always gotten excelent support from them. It could just be the mag release or the release spring needs to be replaced.

Second thought would be I’ve seen a couple kydex pocket holsters for lcp’s that cover the mag release. That should protect it from being pressed.
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Thanks Ziggy2525, I sent Ruger an email. As to the Kydex holster I have a Talon stiff leather holster that’s pretty much the same (covers the button) and the problem persists.
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I have my LCP II in a galco pocket holster and have never had a problem. I also have the houge slip on grips that makes the magazine release not protrude as much.
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I carry an LCP .380 a lot and have never had a problem with it. Not so my LC9 9mm. I had an incident (2) of the mag dropping out. Ruger repaired it quickly and politely. No problem since.
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I sent Ruger an email. They sent me a customer number w/instructions to call them, which I did. The gun is now on its way back to the company so we’ll see what happens. Sad b/c I really like this gun. It’s accurate, has been reliable w/everything I put down range (300+ rounds) and carries like a dream.
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I sent Ruger an email. They sent me a customer number w/instructions to call them, which I did. The gun is now on its way back to the company so weíll see what happens. Sad b/c I really like this gun. Itís accurate, has been reliable w/everything I put down range (300+ rounds) and carries like a dream.
I think you'll be satisfied. Hope so.
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I bought a KelTec P32 years ago for deep cover. It was pretty accurate for a teenie-tiny gun and remarkably reliable. I was very happy with it...until I shot it over my Chrony.

My lieutenant wanted it, so I agreed to a straight trade for a revolver he had. He wasnít a revolver guy, so I got a nickeled S&W Model 37 for a P32. Hey! We were both happy!

Turned out I couldnít see the teeny shiny sights on the Model 37, so I swapped it away after I bought this, which has become a constant companion.


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I bought my wife one of these, laser and all. Even had a trigger job done on it because of her arthritis. She still can hardly pull the trigger. No way she can rack the slide on an auto. So that's that. It's a nice revolver, though, even with the hole.
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Ideal Conceal has a .380 iPhone Gun...not sure it’s enough to change your mind about 380’s...

Double Barreled .380 Caliber | Ideal Conceal



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I own a pair of Kahr .380s - a P380 with the fancy black finish and a CW380. Highly recommend both, and carry both at the same time. They disappear in front and rear pockets.

The CW has been reliable since the very first mag, while the P required some patience at first, and a 150-200 round break-in. They are small narrow guns with tight tolerances, and require proper cleaning and lubrication. But once you realize what they need to run right, and you maintain them, they are very tough to beat. I have since retired the 640 to nightstand duty.
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The 380 is a great round, more so if handloaded as necessary, for carry in the Tropics especially if boats and fishing are involved.
Now that I picked up a new P238HD, cocked, locked and close to a 1911 trigger.... it will be in the rotation with the S&Wather PPKs and the LCP is for wet weather chores/kayak fishing.

Besides the mag button possibly a bit too proud I wonder if the shape of the mechanism is part of the problem with the LCP?


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Then put a rifle bullet thru each hole.
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Trap shooters like to have one shooter break a clay and the second shooter then breaks the biggest piece..... unless is was smoked.... from as far back as the range allows...... an extra full choke still didn’t help me much.

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I have an LCP Custom and a S&W 340 M&P. Also a Kahr CW380 and a Taurus View (the final version with a solid "no view" sideplate.) All are good carry guns, and reliable. I feel best when I have that 340 full of CorBon 110s and a Speedstrip in my pockets. The 340 is a pocket gun for me, although I do have IWB and OWB holsters for it.

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I own a pair of Kahr .380s - a P380 with the fancy black finish and a CW380. Highly recommend both, and carry both at the same time. They disappear in front and rear pockets.

The CW has been reliable since the very first mag, while the P required some patience at first, and a 150-200 round break-in. They are small narrow guns with tight tolerances, and require proper cleaning and lubrication. But once you realize what they need to run right, and you maintain them, they are very tough to beat. I have since retired the 640 to nightstand duty.
My CW380 would jam every 5 or so rds until I ďadjustedĒ the mag a little bit. Now it feeds nicely.
What a great trigger on these Kahrs.
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I bought a Kahr CT-380. Loved to carry it IWB or OWB. It was hard to "rack" a round into the chamber and it was in the manual that you have to run 200 rounds through it before it would reliably empty a clip. After 200 rounds it still had the occasional jam and I was told the clip may have been bumped and now mis-aligned. I picked up a .44 ruger Blackhawk 3 screw revolver (1960) in new condition and feel in love with revolvers. Bought a 1982 Smith and Wesson model 64-2 recently and the revolver/semi-auto question has been answered for me.
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Old cop have you considered the Browning 1911-380?

It looks like a standard 1911 but smaller so it can accommodate the 380 cartridge it holds 7 rounds, ambidextrous thumb safety, it field strips like a full size 1911.

It might be somewhat tougher to conceal but
Please consider checking it out before you completely give up on the .380

By the way did you know that John Browning invented the .380 cartridge.

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Wowwww! Here we go again with the mythical light strikes on the Bodyguard .380! Trigger control is the ONLY cause of light strikes I have ever seen with the S&W BG380.

In fact, the S&W BG380 is one of the best designed pocket rockets ever thought up and produced. Let me count the ways

1. Steel Chassis frame.
2. Held together with steel roll pins, not plastic pegs.
3 Real steel adjustable sights that are 100% usable.
4. Internal laser. Great for us older guys!
5. Compression main spring, LCP and Kel are using spring expansion.
6. Double Strike capability.
7 Stainless steel slide and barrel.
8. Last round lock back.
9. Steel mag release.
10. Full no nonsense LIFETIME WARRANTY!

The BG380 was designed for a revolver shooter as an upgrade to the J Frame shooters. It is a true DOUBLE ACTION ONLY trigger mechanism and that is what gives it the double strike capability. You have to shoot it like a revolver in double action and the trigger control operated correctly will eliminate light strikes just like the J Frames.

Shooters make the gun the gun does not make the shooter! Here is what the BG380 is capable of and it is one very impressive gun when operated correctly!!!!!!

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The BodyGuard is the Ultimate Conceal Carry Pistol and that is my take after carrying a 36 for over 50 years!

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Old cop have you considered the Browning 1911-380?

It looks like a standard 1911 but smaller so it can accommodate the 380 cartridge it holds 7 rounds, ambidextrous thumb safety, it field strips like a full size 1911.

It might be somewhat tougher to conceal but
Please consider checking it out before you completely give up on the .380

By the way did you know that John Browning invented the .380 cartridge.
The 1908 380 ACP was Browning crowning achievement the 1911 was his biggest failure!
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I never messed with a .380, but did try a Glock 43. At the range it performed very well and was surprisingly accurate once I learned how to hold it.
The problem occurred when I loaded self defense ammo, the pointed shape did not want to feed correctly.I got myself in a situation where I needed to use the gun and sat there trying to clear a round wedged sideways in the chamber. Sold it the next week.
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You can avoid all of that painful honesty with an all steel J frame and you can hit your targets from the get-go without teaching yourself how to manage the stout recoil. Jus' sayin'...........and you can carry one in your pocket!

Obtaining one could be an issue but that's a horse of a different color.

I do understand the recoil issue with blowback 380s. Even larger ones like Beretta's Cheetah series (Model 85s?) or Government Model .380s can get your attention. Never mind the little ones!
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Shooting a .380 at 200yards. Totally rediculous. Only Jerry Miculek!!
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My LCP came back from Ruger the other day marked “within spec” (they did not do a thing to it) so I called them. The guy acted like I was bothering him and suggested I file down the mag button w/a dremel or get a kydex pocket holster that covers the button (told him I have one). If this is an example of Ruger’s great service I must be missing something.
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I had a very nice easy to shoot Markov .380 that I gave to a lady neighbor to qualify for her CC and she liked it so much she bought it. Then I bought a KelTec P3AT, MEANEST GUN I'VE EVER SHOT!! It shoots well, but it beats the hell out of your hand. Like all mouse guns you have to hold it tight so it will function but man this thing is mean. A couple of mags is all I can take. It's a great pocket gun but --- ?
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I have a Bersa Thunder .380 for my carry. I've put thru at least 400 rounds thru it and had 0 FTF. I have use different brands from cheap to expensive with same results. And...It is a fun gun to shoot. Feels good in the hand and in the belt(no holster). Also it is accurate.
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Old 07-19-2018, 05:56 PM
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My LCP came back from Ruger the other day marked ďwithin specĒ (they did not do a thing to it) so I called them. The guy acted like I was bothering him and suggested I file down the mag button w/a dremel or get a kydex pocket holster that covers the button (told him I have one). If this is an example of Rugerís great service I must be missing something.
Totally unlike any dealings I've ever had with Ruger. You shouldn't have to be doing that.. SORRY!
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Shooting a .380 at 200yards. Totally rediculous. Only Jerry Miculek!!
Evidently you missed the opening rapid fire drill and the fact that the gun was "out of the box new" an unaltered! Now if you think Jerry is the only one that shoot a .380 200 yards you sure have missed many things in life!
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Old 07-19-2018, 06:28 PM
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My LCP came back from Ruger the other day marked ďwithin specĒ (they did not do a thing to it) so I called them. The guy acted like I was bothering him and suggested I file down the mag button w/a dremel or get a kydex pocket holster that covers the button (told him I have one). If this is an example of Rugerís great service I must be missing something.
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I've always loved revolvers for their reliability, accuracy, and simple mechanics. They just don't jam like so many semi autos do. I've had some 380's, some were good, some were terrible. Many of the problems we had were ammo related. I just don't trust 380 ammo like I do other center fire rounds.
For me, the one semi auto I tend to trust and use in concealed carry is the Walther PPS. It is flat, small, and everyone I have handled has been very reliable. I'm particularly fond of the 1st generation model in 40S&W. I like the grip texture of the 1st gen, and I like the mag release paddle on the trigger guard. It's not that much more stout then the 9mm, for me at least. Lately, many distributors have had them at lower prices, under $400, which helps poor folks like me.
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Old 07-19-2018, 08:31 PM
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I once owned a .380 Bodyguard for about 1 month, worse firearm I ever owned.
Don't forget the Hi-Point you carry as your EDC.
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I just bought my first 380.

A Sig P238. It's the HD version (all stainless).

Have to wait 10 days to pick it up.

I hope I don't end up with problems.
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Old 07-19-2018, 08:54 PM
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Yeah, the 1911 has lasted how long? Yeah, only since 1911. Had a bodyguard .380 that the magazines kept falling out of. Got rid of it, and ...... went back to my old .45 ACP 1911.


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Old 07-19-2018, 10:16 PM
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Evidently you missed the opening rapid fire drill and the fact that the gun was "out of the box new" an unaltered! Now if you think Jerry is the only one that shoot a .380 200 yards you sure have missed many things in life!
No, I saw the opening drills. I meant that it was really amazing that he could hit anything at 200yds. with a.380, and it is, but he's Jerry Miculek. Can you do it? I have trouble hitting much of anything at 10 yds. with my LCP.
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Yeah, the 1911 has lasted how long? Yeah, only since 1911. Had a bodyguard .380 that the magazines kept falling out of. Got rid of it, and ...... went back to my old .45 ACP 1911.


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No, I saw the opening drills. I meant that it was really amazing that he could hit anything at 200yds. with a.380, and it is, but he's Jerry Miculek. Can you do it? I have trouble hitting much of anything at 10 yds. with my LCP.
Oh I see the problem now, you have a Ruger LCP with no sights, aluminum frame! It's no wonder you can not hit anything at 30 feet.

The S&W BG380 has real sights, that are adjustable and a steel sub chassis that the slide rides on. You really need to shoot one to see how much better they are at hitting stuff at 30 feet!
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Old 07-20-2018, 05:17 AM
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Although I've carried a J or even an I framed S&W more often than not for decades, I started out with various .380s in the 1980s. The bottom mag release Mauser HSc was a favorite, until the trigger was pulled. Hammer bite all the time and slide cuts commonly.

The old Remington Model 51 .380 is still a favorite, but it is kind of big by today's standards. And heavy, I guess. Unlike many other side magazine release concealment pieces, they never gave a lick of trouble and would feed all sorts of ammo, no dramas!

The current crop of tiny .380s have yet to satisfy, so I'm sticking to J frames, with an occasional return to one of the Model 51s.
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l hate a bottom feeder. Put feelings behind and tell the TRUTH. My first

handgun was a Chiefs Special.. Still have it. Stays within arm length..

Facts are.. NYPD has been keeping records on gunfights since 1851.

Average number of TOTAL shots FIRED is a fraction over TWO..

My way of thinking tells me l have enough rds in my Chiefs Special for at least TWO gunfights
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Old cop have you considered the Browning 1911-380?

It looks like a standard 1911 but smaller so it can accommodate the 380 cartridge it holds 7 rounds, ambidextrous thumb safety, it field strips like a full size 1911.

It might be somewhat tougher to conceal but
Please consider checking it out before you completely give up on the .380

By the way did you know that John Browning invented the .380 cartridge.

As a leftie I generally stay away from 1911 style guns, especially the tiny pocket style. I know Iíll catch it for this but the 1911 style makes me nervous, mostly b/c I donít have much time behind the trigger since my service in Viet Nam. My only ND was with a 1911, totally my fault, but it was enough. Pls. understand Iím not dissing others for carrying one, itís just not for me.
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I have/had a few .380's. The ones that have been totally reliable have been my LCP's and my Sig P290RS. I had a couple Glock 42's and a Taurus TCP that had issues. The Glock's went back three times before they worked correctly. The TCP never has worked correctly. The TCP is worthless for anything other than a paperweight.

I've seen complaints and praises for each of those models.

I've come to the conclusion that all micro .380's are right at the margins of what will work in a locked breech semi-auto (I think that's the correct term) with commercial .380 pistol rounds. IMO, it's not a matter picking the right brand of .380. It's finding a specific pistol. More probably work than don't, but the failure rates for all of them seem to be pretty high.

That's been my experience. YMMV.
Well, the very popular Kel-Tek P32 is a lock breech .32 caliber gun. Now who wants to stand in front of a .32 or .380 handgun at 30 feet to prove how anemic and inaccurate they are?????
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My BG380 has been sitting in my safe, lately. I prefer the extra oomph that my P224 offers.

That said, I won't hesitate to employ the Bodyguard when I need full mobility and/or deep concealment.
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Not me! Iíll even go so far as to say if someone points one of those at me, Iíll likely shoot them with my old-fashioned .38 or .357 revolver.


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Now who wants to stand in front of a .32 or .380 handgun at 30 feet to prove how anemic and inaccurate they are?????
You totally lost me. I carry an LCP .380 most days. I think the .380 is an adequate self defense round if the primary risk is random, but still potentially deadly street crime. Things like convenience store and ATM robberies. Car jackings.

The blow back .32's and .380's seem to be very reliable. From what I've read and what I've personally experienced, the reliability of the locked breech .32's and .380's seem hit and miss across all the manufacturers. That includes the P32.
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My only keeper is the original Colt pocket .380. It is not light, but it is as flat as a pancake. Next close choice are the Walther PP, PPK, & PPKS. All have the same low capacity magazines, but they work!

Daughter kidnapped my Colt, so I get along with one of four J frames. My pocket carry is a 42. For IWB, appendix carry, I like a 60. I picked up a really nice 5 screw C prefix 2" M&P a while back, but I have found no place for it. A 1911 carries easier and without a holster. It might make a decent night stand gun.

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You totally lost me. I carry an LCP .380 most days. I think the .380 is an adequate self defense round if the primary risk is random, but still potentially deadly street crime. Things like convenience store and ATM robberies. Car jackings.

The blow back .32's and .380's seem to be very reliable. From what I've read and what I've personally experienced, the reliability of the locked breech .32's and .380's seem hit and miss across all the manufacturers. That includes the P32.
How did I loose you???? I have seen dead people as a result of a .32 ACP and a .380 ACP, lock breech pistols, both designed by Browning, in my career in law enforcement.

J Edger Hoover carried a .32 caliber pistol. Our military are issued a .22 caliber rifle. The 5.56 NATO round is .22 caliber. Bullet size is irreverent. Where you put it is the most important factor! The next is bullet speed!
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