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Old 06-22-2018, 07:56 AM
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Took the kids to the roller skating rink. I debated for a while about carrying or not while wearing inline skates. I decided to carry (M&P 9c in Alien Gear 3.0 IWB holster). I'm a good skater. I skate at a nice leisurely pace, no hot dogging. Holster is tight on my belt, gun is tight in the holster. And I routinely carry EVERYWHERE I go. So why change that routine if I'm comfortable doing it.
I was thinking about the recent news story about the FBI agent ND on a dance floor. But, again, I didn't plan on doing anything crazy. Just a nice afternoon skating with the girls. I weighed the options. I could have left my gun at home, in the car, in a rental locker. What would happen if I fell? Can I draw/aim/shoot while on inline skates? Lots of questions.
In the end, I felt confident enough to stay armed.

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Old 06-22-2018, 08:19 AM
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The agent shouldn't have done a back flip, and shouldn't have dropped his gun, but neither one injured anyone. Picking the gun up by pulling the trigger was the problem.

I probably wouldn't take a holster gun skating without a safety strap, and you SHOULD consider whether an injury in a fall would be notably worse with a gun. I'm sure that you can evaluate those concerns appropriately.
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Old 06-22-2018, 08:28 AM
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Big differences of course is **he was probably intoxicated and was only an FBI agent** because the government thought his college degree made him qualified.

Plan accordingly and don't over think it.
Main thing is concealment, don't freak no one out, especially the kiddies.

You did good, carry on ..
Back to the OP, "I" don't see a roller rink as a high risk area, & the parking lot as a place where you likely won't be back to your car for some time. IF I were to carry there, retention & the carry area would be important to me. Falls are not uncommon at rinks, your fault or not. A fall on the small of back carry position could be bad. Regarding shooting while on skates??? If you can shoot well while juggling & riding a unicycle, you should be fine.

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Old 06-22-2018, 09:10 AM
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Avoid tactical back flips.
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I didn't say drunk, I said intoxicated but makes no difference, why is he even in a bar with a gun ? It's against the law in most States.

Bottom line is this 29 year old trying to impress the ladies.
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I was thinking with federal agents, there was no such thing as “off duty” and they have the ability to be armed pretty much anywhere, including places like bars and commercial aircraft, regardless of state law, but maybe not.

I do agree, he was probably trying to impress the girls.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:26 AM
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The question I wonder is this not could you draw aim and shoot while on skates the question is can you draw aim and shoot while on skates in a room full of other folks on skates when something happens and all heck breaks loose moveing targets on skates everywhere screening but only 1 legitimate bad guy no my friend not without chancing hitting an innocent . So now the question is do you have the self co trol to NOT draw aim and try to shoot if armed and in that situation if you don't you shouldn't carry there .Only you know yourself that well .
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:40 AM
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Retention of the gun in the holster and carry position are also issues to consider.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:47 AM
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The question I wonder is this not could you draw aim and shoot while on skates the question is can you draw aim and shoot while on skates in a room full of other folks on skates when something happens and all heck breaks loose moveing targets on skates everywhere screening but only 1 legitimate bad guy no my friend not without chancing hitting an innocent . So now the question is do you have the self co trol to NOT draw aim and try to shoot if armed and in that situation if you don't you shouldn't carry there .Only you know yourself that well .
Excellent question. Yes I believe I have the sense to make such a decision. However, I've never been in that situation. I have no personal experience to go by. If the worst happened and I was in a defensive situation, I could not live with myself knowing that I hurt an innocent bystander. My only education is from certain YouTube videos and trolling certain internet sites. And I've also attended a couple of CCW seminars.
Carrying a loaded firearm everywhere I go is a huge responsibility. I'll never say I'm educated enough that I know everything.


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Old 06-22-2018, 09:49 AM
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THIS THREAD was about roller rink carry, NOT the FBI back flip guy. There is another thread about that. AS IF that one wasn't beat to death already.
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Old 06-22-2018, 09:54 AM
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Retention of the gun in the holster and carry position are also issues to consider.
My gun requires a good, hard yank to free it from the holster. I've never had an issue with retention. I carry at the 3:00 position
I'll also add that I've been skating since my early teens. I played inline hockey up until my mid 20's. Although I'm not as good as I used to be, I think I'm a darn good skater for someone in their late 40's.

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Old 06-22-2018, 10:15 AM
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My gun requires a good, hard yank to free it from the holster. I've never had an issue with retention. I carry at the 3:00 position
I'll also add that I've been skating since my early teens. I played inline hockey up until my mid 20's. Although I'm not as good as I used to be, I think I'm a darn good skater for someone in their late 40's.

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Old 06-22-2018, 10:30 AM
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I've carried CC while watching my grandsons at that 'Big Rat Cheezy' play house place.


Happy to report 'Nothing Happened'...……..


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The only situation where I left my CC firearm home, was when I traveled to states that I can't have it. Otherwise, I don't leave the house without it, and have a cabled lock box in the car if needed temporarily.
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Risk vs reward... I would not consider a daytime trip with the kids to a roller skating rink to be much of a high risk event. Gun properly locked in the car would have been my deal here.

You will notice that OP threads will get hi-jacked and go in many different directions that have nothing to do with the question...
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I didn't say drunk, I said intoxicated but makes no difference, why is he even in a bar with a gun ? It's against the law in most States.
In North Carolina, you can carry concealed in a bar. Also in restaurants that serve alcohol. Thing is, you just can't drink while carrying.
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Risk vs reward... I would not consider a daytime trip with the kids to a roller skating rink to be much of a high risk event. Gun properly locked in the car would have been my deal here.

You will notice that OP threads will get hi-jacked and go in many different directions that have nothing to do with the question...
Agreed, not a high risk event. But neither is going to church or a movie theater... I still stick to my rule. Carry always (within the law).

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A friend, now in his 60's has been skating 2-3 time weekly since we were in high school. Been carrying there for 40 years and has yet to have a problem.

Just don't be doing any back-flips while you're on the floor.
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We want Okie to feel relaxed and not bombard him with nuances.
Haha I am relaxed. And you can bombard me with anything related to the thread. Questions, comments, criticism - that's why I started it.

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Agreed, not a high risk event. But neither is going to church or a movie theater... I still stick to my rule. Carry always (within the law).

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Criminals and evil doers don't care what time of day it is.

As men, and protectors of our family, it is wise to be prepared,
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You made the wise decision to be prepared.


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Make a choice: do you want to skate, or do you want to have a gun? You can be as good a skater as you want, you're rolling around with a bunch of morons who aren't.

Both options are fine. It's okay to not do a thing because you want to carry. That's called being responsible. It's also okay to not carry because you want to do a thing. That's called being practical. It's not like your gun guarantees your safety anyway. It's not even the most important tool in the box.

Leaving the gun in the car is, in my opinion, the worst of all possible solutions. Aside from the risk of car theft, you're unnecessarily handling the gun. Holstering/reholstering in the driver's seat is more or less asking for it. I think the risk of falling on the gun and injuring yourself, or dropping the gun on the rink, is far less than the risk created by unnecessary administrative gun handling inside a vehicle.

And, politely, while the Cloak Tuck 3.0 is a pretty decent holster for the money, it is about the last thing on Earth I'd want to attempt that maneuver with. I know, I own one. As it's a hybrid IWB, there's very little feedback when holstering. Cloak Tuck + car = a recipe for trigger guard intrusion.
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If I were still physically able to skate, I would be OK with CC while skating.
I'd use a VERY secure holster WITH a retaining strap, and one that would put a sufficient barrier between me and the gun to insure that if I should fall on the gun it wouldn't hurt ME either. An IWB with the large panel on the body side, dual belt clips, and a retention strap would be my ideal choice.

I also agree with the "carry all of the time and everywhere it is legal" philosophy. I consistently carry - even at home. It is unfortunate that the criminal element never takes a day off, and the one time you need your CCW may come up you least expect it. Be Prepared as the Boy Scouts say.
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I will laugh out loud at any assertion that someone may not see a skating rink as a "high risk area." If someone has such future prediction skills, a concealed handgun is certainly not needed, just avoid every threat and every high risk area.

In other words, it's nonsense to change carry practice due to perceived theat level.

Myself, we do the ice skating thing and I choose to leave mine in the car for that. I HATE leaving it in the car, but my skills on skates are average at best. I can skate for two hours and have fun and never fall UNTIL a rogue 12-yr old crashes in to me and then we are all headed to the ice in a heap.
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Make a choice: do you want to skate, or do you want to have a gun? You can be as good a skater as you want, you're rolling around with a bunch of morons who aren't.

Both options are fine. It's okay to not do a thing because you want to carry. That's called being responsible. It's also okay to not carry because you want to do a thing. That's called being practical. It's not like your gun guarantees your safety anyway. It's not even the most important tool in the box.

Leaving the gun in the car is, in my opinion, the worst of all possible solutions. Aside from the risk of car theft, you're unnecessarily handling the gun. Holstering/reholstering in the driver's seat is more or less asking for it. I think the risk of falling on the gun and injuring yourself, or dropping the gun on the rink, is far less than the risk created by unnecessary administrative gun handling inside a vehicle.

And, politely, while the Cloak Tuck 3.0 is a pretty decent holster for the money, it is about the last thing on Earth I'd want to attempt that maneuver with. I know, I own one. As it's a hybrid IWB, there's very little feedback when holstering. Cloak Tuck + car = a recipe for trigger guard intrusion.
Can you elaborate on why you don't like the 3.0 holster?
What feedback are you referring to when holstering?
Why are you worryed about trigger guard intrusion in a car?
I like the holster. I've never had any concerns about it being unsafe in any way. I have seen a video by the Active self protection guy where he totally bashed hybrid holsters. While I learned quite a bit from his videos, I don't agree with that particular one. I'm very confident with my Alien Gear holster.

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You might want to consider one of the modern, tiny .380 pistols for this kind of thing. Easily pocket carried in a holster and very discrete. I have an LCP for occassions like this, but I don’t skate.
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Can you elaborate on why you don't like the 3.0 holster?
What feedback are you referring to when holstering?
Why are you worryed about trigger guard intrusion in a car?
I like the holster. I've never had any concerns about it being unsafe in any way. I have seen a video by the Active self protection guy where he totally bashed hybrid holsters. While I learned quite a bit from his videos, I don't agree with that particular one. I'm very confident with my Alien Gear holster.

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I actually do like the Cloak Tuck. It's very comfortable, and easy to move around with. I only stopped wearing it because I committed to 24/7 EDC, and every time I bent down wearing a T-shirt, the shirt would get pinched between the sweatguard and the pistol, causing it to ride up. Anybody that looked would know I had something there, and eventually, the gun would be exposed. Longer t-shirts just delayed the problem.

If it wasn't for that issue, I'd probably still be wearing it.

Now, as to the car and hybrid holsters:

When you go to holster a gun in a hybrid, there's no positive retention. Hybrids aren't unique in this, but as a class, it's a feature they lack. The gun just sort of slides in until it stops. In a holster with positive retention, the gun goes in, there's a bit of resistance, and an audible and tactile "click" as it snaps into place. You know you've reached the end point of the gun's travel in the holster. It can't move any further. And depending on how well-fit the holster is, and what the construction is like, it's going to be real hard to squeeze even a thin t-shirt in between it and the gun, and not notice.

While I really like this feature, I wouldn't call it mandatory by any means. This is because I feel that the best practice with an IWB holster, in all circumstances, is to put the gun in the holster, and then put the two on the belt. So regardless of whether I'm using my current AIWB or the hybrid AG Cloak Tuck, that's how I do it. I just don't particularly care for the idea of fiddling with an unholstered gun in a car, especially around other people.

If you made me try to holster the usual way, though? I much prefer injection-molded plastic and positive retention. The feel is that much better. I can feel whether there's something other than plastic rubbing on the gun, and I definitely know when the gun can't be pushed down any further.

Now, the last little bit is somewhat personal. I've never been able to put on an IWB holster without undoing my belt and pants. Maybe it's just me, but I can't get my gear tight enough to allow for a good draw, while also being loose enough to jam a gun and holster in. So that sort of rules out my chosen best-practice in public.

All that sort of rules out the Cloak Tuck for that sort of duty, when it comes to my personal preferences. It's still a good holster, but I think there are better options if the mission of the day absolutely demands removing and reholstering a gun inside a car. I would also say that it's less unsuitable than some other holsters (hello, G-Code INCOG), and is by no means unique in that regard.

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Went skating at Wollman Rink in NYC. Had my off duty on my hip. fell and landed on the revolver. Experienced a lot of pain. It didn't fall out, nobody got shot, I just experienced a lot of pain.
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Went skating at Wollman Rink in NYC. Had my off duty on my hip. fell and landed on the revolver. Experienced a lot of pain. It didn't fall out, nobody got shot, I just experienced a lot of pain.
We had a young & skinny uniformed cop fall onto his holstered revolver many years ago arresting an uncooperative suspect. He gimped around for awhile and was ultimately fine, but that really does hurt. Hope you’re feeling better.
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I haven't skated in many years so wouldn't carry my normal pistol because of the chance of falling on it .. but would slip my P238 bug in my snap shut shirt pocket in a sticky holster ..
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I actually do like the Cloak Tuck. It's very comfortable, and easy to move around with. I only stopped wearing it because I committed to 24/7 EDC, and every time I bent down wearing a T-shirt, the shirt would get pinched between the sweatguard and the pistol, causing it to ride up. Anybody that looked would know I had something there, and eventually, the gun would be exposed. Longer t-shirts just delayed the problem.

If it wasn't for that issue, I'd probably still be wearing it.

Now, as to the car and hybrid holsters:

When you go to holster a gun in a hybrid, there's no positive retention. Hybrids aren't unique in this, but as a class, it's a feature they lack. The gun just sort of slides in until it stops. In a holster with positive retention, the gun goes in, there's a bit of resistance, and an audible and tactile "click" as it snaps into place. You know you've reached the end point of the gun's travel in the holster. It can't move any further. And depending on how well-fit the holster is, and what the construction is like, it's going to be real hard to squeeze even a thin t-shirt in between it and the gun, and not notice.

While I really like this feature, I wouldn't call it mandatory by any means. This is because I feel that the best practice with an IWB holster, in all circumstances, is to put the gun in the holster, and then put the two on the belt. So regardless of whether I'm using my current AIWB or the hybrid AG Cloak Tuck, that's how I do it. I just don't particularly care for the idea of fiddling with an unholstered gun in a car, especially around other people.

If you made me try to holster the usual way, though? I much prefer injection-molded plastic and positive retention. The feel is that much better. I can feel whether there's something other than plastic rubbing on the gun, and I definitely know when the gun can't be pushed down any further.

Now, the last little bit is somewhat personal. I've never been able to put on an IWB holster without undoing my belt and pants. Maybe it's just me, but I can't get my gear tight enough to allow for a good draw, while also being loose enough to jam a gun and holster in. So that sort of rules out my chosen best-practice in public.

All that sort of rules out the Cloak Tuck for that sort of duty, when it comes to my personal preferences. It's still a good holster, but I think there are better options if the mission of the day absolutely demands removing and reholstering a gun inside a car. I would also say that it's less unsuitable than some other holsters (hello, G-Code INCOG), and is by no means unique in that regard.

Trust me, when I think a particular piece of gear is a dumpster fire, I just say so.
Ok I see where you're coming from now. I don't have any of those problems. When I holster my gun, I can feel and hear a "thump" when it's fully seated. Not quite a crisp "snap", but there is a distinct feel and sound there. And once it's seated, it's tight in there. I have to pull hard to draw it.
I've never had an article of clothing get caught in the holster. Once everything is in place and my shirt is covering it, nothing ever gets caught anywhere. I admit, I have handled my gun while seated in my car a few times. It's not something I do regularly, but holstering and drawing while seated doesn't seem to present any problems for me.
I, too, can't put on the holster without unzipping and unbuttoning my pants. But, once I put the holster on, it stays on. I holster and draw my gun quite a bit during the day. I holster it when I leave home, draw and store it when I come home. I also practice drawing regularly. And I draw and fire at the range every time I go.
So this particular holster works great for me, but not for you. That's understandable. I have a total of 4 holsters and the Cloak Tuck 3.0 is the only one I use. I'm totally comfortable and confident with it. The other 3 are just there collecting dust. I use them at the range sometimes, but not often.

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