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I certainly don't mean to vent because we all have preferences for self-defense. I just find it interesting that some folks can't accept the fact that there may be a multitude of reasons people carry what they carry.
You have every right to vent, and I don't blame you one bit.

That said, I don't "find it interesting that some folks can't accept the fact that there may be a multitude of reasons people carry what they carry."

Speaking frankly, it gets deadly boring after a while, because we see it in thread after thread, year after year. Personally, the idea that a complete stranger, a random Internet know-it-all i.e. "bozo", has some sort of insight into what I do or why I do it is so ridiculous to me, it's hard to even comment on something like that. As I'm sure you know, there's a difference between offering advice about something and denigrating someone else's personal choices. That doesn't apply only to choice of EDC and manner of carry, either.

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Other forums, websites, blogs, you name it. Here there are thoughtful discussions and careful comparisons.
I can't figure out if you're being sarcastic or not, so I can't/won't comment on that part of your post.

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It's not so much the content of the discussions on other venues, it's the tone of the discourse. The kind of outright rudeness common on other forums, and not just about self defense firearms, wouldn't be tolerated here.

Not only the moderators, but the members wouldn't put up with it.
Really?
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Thanks. I'm gonna start pocket carrying my 226 Legion now. I'll know for certain if it falls out of my pocket.
Can you even get it in a pocket ?? My 229 Legion won't fit !!
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I wasnít there so I donít know but what I read. The Bible states David struck Goliath down with a stone launched from a sling. David then took Goliathís sword and beheaded the giant. The rock may have stunned or killed Goliath; but severing his head definitely would cause his death.
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I don't CARE what you think!!!! What I do and carry is no ones business.
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Several years ago on another forum one of the aforementioned bozos reacted rather strongly to someone who asked about carrying .22LR in a handgun for self defense.

It immediately became clear to me that this was an advanced case of cerebral acne, writing from his parents' basement.

He told the .22LR guy he should get a man's gun. He added, "I've been in several gunfights and I can tell you, I'm deadly with my .357 Magnums."

I just answered, "My, my, my..."

It's rare for me to see anything like that bumptious idiocy here. When it occurs, the members squash it (politely of course ), and the bozo goes away frustrated or learns to act civilized like the rest of us.

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I was at a BBQ today and a guy was spouting that Glocks were the only pistol to carry .. 5 of us laughed at the same time shook our heads and walked away .. no use even talking to a person like that ..
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Several years ago on another forum one of the aforementioned bozos reacted rather strongly to someone who asked about carrying .22LR in a handgun for self defense.

It immediately became clear to me that this was an advanced case of cerebral acne, writing from his parents' basement.

He told the .22LR guy he should get a man's gun. He added, "I've been in several gunfights and I can tell you, I'm deadly with my .357 Magnums."

I just answered, "My, my, my..."

It's rare for me to see anything like that bumptious idiocy here. When it occurs, the members squash it (politely of course ), and the bozo goes away frustrated or learns to act civilized like the rest of us.

I like it here.
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Not much on any other firearm forum. Not a member any way. But found that to be an issuse on mororcycle forums for sure
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His "loadout" was 5 smooth stones....5...interesting
You can bet some other fella tried to explain why he should take 7 stones...multiple giants and such.
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Logic dictates that you carry what's right for you and also for the probable threats you believe you face. I especially like to carry my Kahr P9 and T9. They are great guns but my arthritic thumbs make operating the slide a bit difficult. But then, I only have to work the slide to load up. The chances of slide manipulation under combat conditions are slim but, of course, it can happen.

Revolver or pistol? It's completely up to you. The larger and stronger you are, the more gun you can comfortably carry and conceal. With concealed carry, I'd rather carry a bit too much than not quite enough.

If I was charged with the responsibility of hiring an armed resource officer for Anywhere High School, and, having been a police firearms instructor, I'd march the job applicant to the range and have him demonstrate 100% hits to 25 yards with whatever he's carrying. Of course, the applicant who shows up with a serious self defense firearm is far more likely to get the job than the applicant carrying only a two-shot derringer.

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You can bet some other fella tried to explain why he should take 7 stones...multiple giants and such.
Totally. The other fella was Saul, right. Saul said “you can’t fight a giant like that” and tried to dress David up in his own armor and sword. David tried it on and said “No, I’ll stick with what I know.” Modern translation - Saul said “Here, take my Glock 17 with the 33 round mag.” David said “No, I’ll stick with my 642. It’s what I know.”

Side point/thread derail. From the news footage, it looks like the Palestinians are still fighting with slings like that. When they let that rock go from the sling, it’s gotta be going over 100mph.
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Show up to the range with one of these; everybody has an opinion on these things. I have heard the following comments.

1) the steel is made from meteors
2) squeeze the trigger then the frontstrap and it fires full auto
3) magazines cost $200.00
4) it takes three hands to swap out the $200.00 mags
5) the guns were prone to blowing up so HK had to stop making them
6) the German secret police marked theirs ďPSPĒ

The greatest comment I ever heard was from a young teenage boy who was from NYC. He was visiting his grandparents and they took him shooting. That kid looked at me and said ďthose are the coolest things I have ever seenĒ. I had just hung up a target, so I ran it out to the five yard mark and let him shoot both of the pistols while grandpa filmed him.
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For my first 2 1/2 decades..... I started out carrying a sharp stick....... later a 4" knife and a single shot Stevens Favorite......

Over the next 15 years I experimented with many different hand held firearms.........big and small.. revolvers and pistols.. with .22 to .45 inch muzzle openings.

For the last 28 years I've pretty much carried the same 3 or 4 handguns...... changing to meet my urban,suburban and rural/woods needs and dress..

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I open carry one almost every day. In addition to the below comments (I admit the meteor comment is new to me), the one I most often get is "there's that old man gun." Mine always draws a crowd of instructors at the LEOSA shoot up north . . .

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1) the steel is made from meteors
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4) it takes three hands to swap out the $200.00 mags
5) the guns were prone to blowing up so HK had to stop making them
6) the German secret police marked theirs “PSP”

The greatest comment I ever heard was from a young teenage boy who was from NYC. He was visiting his grandparents and they took him shooting. That kid looked at me and said “those are the coolest things I have ever seen”. I had just hung up a target, so I ran it out to the five yard mark and let him shoot both of the pistols while grandpa filmed him.
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I carry one every day. In addition to the below comments (I admit the meteor comment is new to me), the one I most often get is "that's an old man gun . . . "
LOL I get the same when I carry the 5904, Browning Hi-Power, Colt Commander, or one of my revolvers.

I'm only 48 going on 95....
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I carry a 4" 1911... but on the 1911 forums it's a badge of honor to carry one..

I also carry a J frame bug or as my primary at times... since I hang here.. no complaints from anyone..

A friend gave me a bumper sticker "Heavily armed, easily pissed" That's all that counts.
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[QUOTE=Well, except for people who own a Honda.

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I’ll vouch for that. Been married to a redhead for 49 years myself.

FWIW, I can’t remember but maybe a few times in my long life I owned or wore or used anything because it was in “style” or the latest greatest, most popular thing. I use what works best and well for me. Anyone who has negative comments about my choices (including the redhead!) gets a smile and my advice that we all pay our money and take our own chances. I don’t give a fig whether they like what I’ve got and use or not. If something works well for me, I don’t care how old it is. I’m just not interested in waisting much time trying to convince anyone else of something they aren’t open minded enough to consider. I’m glad to share my own experiences for what they might be worth if someone asks, and they are free to take it or leave it. There’s room for all of us to do what each thinks he or she ought to do. I just try to pay attention and be ready to get out of they way or leave if what ever they do is dangerous to me. I find myself leaving a lot these days!
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An old man gun... well I am sixty years old so I reckon I qualify. I rarely carry the ďPSPĒ marked gun, but used to carry the other constantly. I bought that one for my son. He took it on his 21st birthday.
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Rusty, your wish is my command. The coolest carry gun, is any 2 1/2" model 19/66. As soon as you get one you can hang with US Cool Guys.

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To me, it's right up there with the Chevy-Ford-Dodge pickup feud.
Everybody agrees the Dodge has the best styling, the Ford is the most dependable and the Chevy is, well, a Chevy.
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There is no exact firearm, but you can come close by carrying something in the following configuration...

a.) Polymer Framed
b.) Striker-Fired
c.) Chambered in 9mm Luger
d.) Bonus points if it is currently in service by the Military or Law Enforcement

That's what's in style right now.
NO this product is likely getting the most engineering effort to minimize failures, maximize reliability and ensure ease of maintenance.

And make the most profit.
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NO this product is likely getting the most engineering effort to minimize failures, maximize reliability and ensure ease of maintenance.

And make the most profit.
Nope, it's just simple supply & demand... That configuration is popular right now because that's the sort of firearm the Military and Law Enforcement are carrying.

As previously stated in this thread by Scorpion520AZ, the average gun owner isn't a firearms enthusiast or collector, just an average Joe looking for a self-defense weapon, ergo most don't do much in the way of research and just choose whatever the Military/Law Enforcement is carrying under the assumption that if Soldiers/Police carry it, then it must be good for everybody.

Think back to a time when .40 S&W was still being carried by Law Enforcement across the country, how everything had to come chambered in .40 S&W, in spite of how often the .40cal variants suffered in terms of reliability/longevity due to the fact that many of them were just upscaled 9mm pistols.
Sadly, few firearms manufacturers are focused primarily on quality these days, hence why so many brands of firearms have issues that you have to look out for prior to purchasing a gun or periodically check for over a period of time/use to determine that your example is free of any such defects. (Recent offerings by Remington and SIG come to mind here. R51, RP9, P365, etc.)
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Nope, it's just simple supply & demand... That configuration is popular right now because that's the sort of firearm the Military and Law Enforcement are carrying.
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ergo most don't do much in the way of research and just choose whatever the Military/Law Enforcement is carrying under the assumption that if Soldiers/Police carry it, then it must be good for everybody.
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It's more than just popularity with the mall team six crowd. Reputation drives demand.

If the military is carrying it, it passed a pretty rigorous testing process for both mechanical and shooter induced malfunctions.

With regular spring replacement, the Beretta M9/92's (and IIRC the PX4's) and the double stack Glock's have a reputation as 100,000 round pistols.

Compare that with Taurus' reputation.
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Show up to the range with one of these; everybody has an opinion on these things. I have heard the following comments.

1) the steel is made from meteors
2) squeeze the trigger then the frontstrap and it fires full auto
3) magazines cost $200.00
4) it takes three hands to swap out the $200.00 mags
5) the guns were prone to blowing up so HK had to stop making them
6) the German secret police marked theirs ďPSPĒ

The greatest comment I ever heard was from a young teenage boy who was from NYC. He was visiting his grandparents and they took him shooting. That kid looked at me and said ďthose are the coolest things I have ever seenĒ. I had just hung up a target, so I ran it out to the five yard mark and let him shoot both of the pistols while grandpa filmed him.
I just purchased (2) P7's and a P7M8 (all 3 LNIB), waiting to pick them up (dear Lord, the wait is killin' me!).

I've always wanted one, and rarely see any, so I figured this was MY chance!

BTW, can anyone loan me a few bucks, as I'm goin' to be broke for a while, after this.............
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As a fellow Forum member was fond of saying, "If two of us are identical, one of us is unnecessary." Firearms are like women. I've never dated a blonde. Have some good female friends that are blonde, just doesn't do anything for me in that department. Redheads? Totally different story.

Reheads!

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However, they have cost me MUCH more then all my firearms, ammo, etc combined!
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I made some slings once. Never got good with them but rocks come out of them real fast. Even black walnuts came out so hard I think you could knock a man down with one.

But I don't understand why David carried a Smith sling with five stones when a Colt holds six!
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I like to carry a Blunderbuss. You never know when you may need to repel a boarding party of pirates.
True, but what if there is a second boarding party of pirates? Then you are going to see the wisdom of a double blunderbuss, like the one I carry.
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Bozos are always going to abound. It's part of the human condition.

Fortunately, for me, as a firearms instructor in an agency where the off-duty weapons policies have always been very generous and accommodating, I've not felt like I've been required to justify my choices to anyone other than the head of the FTU.

Sure, I've experienced my fair share of folks who causally question my choices, when they see what I'm using in various range sessions, and ask why I'm not choosing what they're using (for all the "popular" reasons). Since I'm not in the business of shilling different makes/models of guns, I'm not someone who tries to proselytize to everyone else. If it works for them, and it's authorized, what do I care what someone else uses, right?

For the occasional "true believer" who feels like they need to make me justify why I'm not carrying what they're carrying, I've always found it simpler to just take him (or her) downrange and let them demonstrate their ability to use whatever it is they're trying to promote, doing some increasingly demanding drills.

If you can't accurately, controllably, comfortably and effectively use whatever it is you're promoting, but I'm not having any problems with my choice(s) ... and I can even borrow whatever it is you're pushing and easily run it just as well as my mine ... is it the gun or the owner/user that may need some attention and further work?

Every now and then I've seen someone do better with a different choice than what they're presently using (borrowing mine, for example), but I don't push them to think about changing. I let them decide that sort of thing for themselves.

It all comes down to putting accurate, controllable and intentional (and justified) rounds "downrange" in some shooting situation, and the gun is just a part of the whole process. The bullets certainly don't have an opinion about what's used to put them on the intended target.

I often end such conversations (and demonstrations) by reminding the folks that it's highly unlikely I'm ever going to be present at the scene of any future shooting incident in which they're involved. That means I won't be there to help them run their choice of equipment. It's all going to be on them. They need to make the best informed choices they can, and that's ultimately up to them. They may literally face a situation where they will have to live or die due to their choices and beliefs. The same goes for me.
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It's more than just popularity with the mall team six crowd. Reputation drives demand.

If the military is carrying it, it passed a pretty rigorous testing process for both mechanical and shooter induced malfunctions.

With regular spring replacement, the Beretta M9/92's (and IIRC the PX4's) and the double stack Glock's have a reputation as 100,000 round pistols.

Compare that with Taurus' reputation.
The Military Trials somehow managed to miss several issues with the SIG P320, including the fact that it isn't drop safe and that the slide rails are prone to warping.

Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have had no issues whatsoever with Taurus brand firearms, in spite of having close personal experience with 5 different examples, which leads me to question whether Taurus' reputation for unreliability is something of a self-fulfilling prophecy in which the owner is either subconsciously being less diligent in their cleaning/maintenance of the firearm due to it's reputation or otherwise is new to firearms, bought it because it was cheap, took it out to the range without cleaning it, (thus leaving the internals caked with cosmoline) the gun predictably malfunctions, then when the owner seeks help he is immediately met with responses from folks who completely neglected to ask if the firearm was properly cleaned/lubed before being taken to the range because they took one look at the brand name, automatically blamed the firearm, then the inexperienced guy goes on to warn everyone of his negative experiences with Taurus brand firearms, thus propagating it's reputation for unreliability.

Sadly, in the firearms industry it is all-too-easy to gain a bad reputation for unreliability given the literally life-or-death importance of reliability of a firearm, yet extremely difficult to lose that bad reputation due to word-of-mouth propagating that poor reputation long after it's gone, thanks largely to folks who feel qualified to comment on the reliability of firearms which they have never owned or even fired.

My point is, reputations are easily gained, not so easily lost, and not necessarily always 100% accurate of the present state of a company and the subsequent quality of their products.
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Hereís my best of the best list:

22LR Pistol of any make. Too unreliable and underpowered.

.25. See above

.38 Special. Usually is a revolver. Not enough capacity. Not really a serious stopper.


.380. Lame cartridge. See .38. Ladies gun.

.44 Mag. Itís a stopper, but what if you are mugged by seven people?

9MM. Overrated. Usually Glocks. Dangerous gun. No safety.

45LC. Went out of vogue with cowboys.

45ACP. IF itís a 1911, itís unreliable, and lacks sufficient number of rounds. If itís a full sized, like an FNTAc-X, itís too large to conceal.

.460, you got to be kidding.

.500 see .460.


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I don't CARE what you think!!!! What I do and carry is no ones business.
I agree somewhat with your last sentence .. but on a forum
if you were to explain what you carry and why it might HELP someone new to Conceal Carry .. and help them become safer, better, and more aware !!

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The problem with your "list" is that it employs the same sort of scissors-string-paper-rock logic that the OP was referring to.

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22LR Pistol of any make. Too unreliable and underpowered.

.25. See above

.38 Special. Usually is a revolver. Not enough capacity. Not really a serious stopper.


.380. Lame cartridge. See .38. Ladies gun.

.44 Mag. Itís a stopper, but what if you are mugged by seven people?

9MM. Overrated. Usually Glocks. Dangerous gun. No safety.

45LC. Went out of vogue with cowboys.

45ACP. IF itís a 1911, itís unreliable, and lacks sufficient number of rounds. If itís a full sized, like an FNTAc-X, itís too large to conceal.

.460, you got to be kidding.

.500 see .460.


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Well you know, there are so many different calibers and so many different pistols on the US civilian market right now that with enough research, and finding ranges (or a friend) that will loan you a gun that you're interested in to shoot to see if it's for you, it's hard IMO not to find the "right" gun for you if you do your homework. I've seen so many people at the ranges buy guns, only to find out they can't hit squirt with it, get frustrated and blame the gun or the caliber.

I'm one of those guys that says "i don't care if it's a 22lr, or a 45. if you can't hit the target, it doesnt do you any good regardless of the caliber." If the shooter can put all shots of a 32acp into the A zone, but is all over the place with a 9mm, then by all means carry the 32!
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Anyone who carries a S&W J frame is just totally irresponsible and doesn't take self defense seriously.

That's why Smith and Wesson sells about a million on them each year for the last 60 years.

And why a significant percentage of the retired police officers on this forum (and other forums) carry them.
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