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Old 07-11-2018, 06:49 PM
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I like to read the concealed carry threads. And I would be lying if occasionally I didn't wander off in a daydream as to which of my pistols would be suitable for CCW, and even open carry, if I lived where it is allowed.

I had it narrowed down to my Astra Constable (PPK copy) .32 auto for concealed carry, IWB holster and spare 8 round mag on left side. Despite the short barrel and skimpy sights I can hit centre of mass groups at 25 yards with this pistol and face sized groups at 10 - 15 yards. Unfortunately it only reliably fires with Federal ammunition/primers, but then I carry Federal Hydra Shock ammo on duty and I am confident with it.

For open carry I thought one of my 1911's. .45 by preference but 9mm if I required by regulations.

Then today I read on the resurrected LEOSA thread someone mentioned concealed IWB carry of a .45 1911. My fist thought was full sized or Commander/Officers? After reading this I went out to the excursive machine and my mind started to wander off as the sweat started to run. I got to thinking, is a full sized 1911 suitable for CCW or is it just too much?

Now obviously I really have no practical knowledge or experience of this so..... What does everyone think?

Before the "There are so many factors" comments come in, here are some parameters.

Male, 6"1", larger frame (build) and 20 - 25 pounds over preferred weight.

4-5 o'clock IWB strong side carry with mag pouch IWB on weak side.

Cool weather clothing: loose jeans or expandable (elastic waist) casual trousers with 1 1/4 - 1 1/2" belt.

Reasonably loose button up shirt or polo shirt, tucked in and short vest.

Warm weather clothing: walk shorts with 1 1/4" belt. Loose polo shirt tucked in and usually a short vest.

Holster and mag pouches good quality IWB, steel reinforcing to hold open and the type that allow shirt to be tucked in (I just do not like the feel of an untucked shirt).

Feasible? Fantasy? Or possible with some adjustments (shorter length 1911 pistol only?)

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When I'm not carrying my M27 in a service holster on a belt, I'm almost always carrying my 1911 in a shoulder rig. I like wearing suits and jackets whenever I can so I can manage most of the time, if I'm working I'll just throw a large button work shirt over a t-shirt and let the overhang take care of it. I live in rural nowhere where guns are everywhere, so the risk of printing isn't as serious as some places, nobody is going to go nuts or bananas and call the police in total fear, so my concern with keeping things as undedectable as possible might not be as serious as yours.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:23 PM
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I've carried a 5" 1911 everyday for several years, (maybe 15), it was the only 1911 I owned.
I've carried a N frame 3 1/2" for that long as well.

Then I discovered the Commander, then the Lightweight Commander and the Colt Defender...
I've kinda settled on the 4 1/4" lightweight commander in this last decade.
But, will concealed carry an N frame or full size gov't model in a heart beat.

I wore this'n all day long Sunday. CC'd at church with just a sport coat.
A good gunbelt makes all the difference in the world.

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I always thought I'd like one of these....Colt Lightweight Gov't Models



May get one, one of these days....jest for my old age carry.


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Old 07-11-2018, 07:24 PM
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I carried a full sized Govt model or a CCO model 10 mm IWB for nearly 20 years.
A move to town and Chest of Drawers syndrome caused me to give up IWB and 10mm. 10 mm is too much horse power for my present environment and circumstances.

I still carry a Colt Defender 45ACP, OWB all of the time these days.
An option for your summer wear is Polo shirts with belted bottoms
The elastic waist band stays just below the bottom of a OWB holster if you pay attention and completely conceals a gun in an IWB holster.
Another trick with IWB is to wear a loosely bloused tucked in shirt but fold up the shirt tail inward and upward where your gun is located.. It looks tucked in, but a quick grab will get it out of the way for a quick draw.
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A long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, I carried a full-size, all steel, .45ACP Colt Government Model IWB in a Bruce Nelson or Milt Sparks Summer Special Holster, riding on a Bruce Nelson or Milt Sparks belt. Bruce wore a 1911 IWB regularly. Bruce and Milt were one man shops back then. They both personally made my gear.

I also carried two J-Frame backups. Three pistols on me routinely in 100 degree+ weather.


The out-of-the-box Colt was my primary "duty' pistol. I carried it because I had to. I also carried it because 'at that time' there wasn't any better full-size pistol I was going to bet my life on. With the correct, professional gear it carried easy. When I thought about why I carried it, it was a downright feather.

There was an old saying back then: "If you ever, truly need a 'handgun' to save your life, you'll wish it was a big one."

These days I'm a mind-my-own-business civilian, so I carry "lighter", but not "too light".

Would I choose a Government Model as my duty pistol in 2018? No, I wouldn't. There are too many better choices for "field duty" today, IMO.

Is the 1911 still suitable for civilian self-defense? IMO, in the right hands, properly applied, Good Grief, YES.

So, carrying a Government Model IWB is not a fantasy. A lot of professional men did it. It's quite the reality, but only for those seriously dedicated to make it work.
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It's not hard to carry a full-sized 1911 for CCW, but it's not any fun either. I find the CCO (Commander slide on Officer's frame) to be the cat's pajamas for CCW if you like 1911s.
If all I had was a 5" 1911, I would not hesitate to carry it, and would simply dress around the bigger pistol. If you were ever in a gun fight, and had that big .45 in your holster, you would feel better prepared than most folks.
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It's one thing to carry large concealed gun occasionally for a few hours.

But to do so day after day wouldn't work for me.

Even a 25 oz (loaded) steel J frame starts to cause a little hip pain after several hours a day.

Plus I live in a VERY non permissive environment where if anyone saw my gun they might call the police. If that happened more than once or twice, the issuing agency might pull my permit considering me too high maintenance.

So I just pocket carry mostly Airweight J frames, LCRs, and an occasional steel J frame.

BTW, here in California, most guys under the age of 70 wear shirts un-tucked.

That makes concealing a gun much easier.

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Concealing a full-size 1911 is certainly do-able. The nice thing about 1911s is that they're pretty thin for their size, which makes carrying them a bit easier than some other full-size guns. Lots of people carry 1911s without a problem. The only way to find out is to try it for yourself.

I would recommend getting a good quality holster (i.e., Milt Sparks Summer Special II or VMII) on a good quality gun belt (I like Beltman's 1.5" double-layer gun belts).

FWIW, while I haven't carried a 1911 concealed, I have carried a 3" 65 in an IWB holster for 12-16 hours a day, under an untucked, button-down shirt. The weight is close to a full-size 1911, but is noticeably bulkier. I used either a Milt Sparks SSII or a VMII-style holster by another maker on a Beltman 1.5" double-layer gun belt.
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I've carried a full-sized one in an IWB, but didn't like it much-- I had to be careful not to bend forward, or the grip would become fairly obvious, and it made driving uncomfortable. I do frequently carry a Sig CCO (what they call a "C3") OWB in the winter when I can wear a vest or blazer indoors. In warmer weather, I sometimes carry a Sig Ultra Compact IWB (basically a Defender with a 3.3" barrel) under my usual Hawaiian shirt.
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I’ve carried a full sized 1911 concealed with some frequency. I always wear a sports jacket or cardigan sweater over a Milt Sparks or DelFatti holster and belt.

You will be happiest with a top quality 1 1/2” gunbelt. Don’t cheap out on belt or holster.

I prefer an owb holster with the full sized 1911: for me, an iwb holster doesn’t work well with the full sized 1911.

I most frequently carry a Commander (the Commander is the light weight model: the Combat Commander is all steel). I carry the Commander iwb.
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As far as concealability goes, the full-size 1911 presents no real problem. It's big, but it's flat, and that is a big plus when it comes to hiding it. It really comes down to how comfortable you are carrying that much weight for long stretches. A Lightweight Commander soon becomes an attractive option.
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I carried a full size Colt M1991A-1 for a while, it concealed just fine. The Colt was in a OWB holster at 4 o'clock, generally under a sport coat. A Chiefs Special was carried as a back up. I didn't find the Colt too heavy or awkward, but then my previous carry gun was a 4" Model 19-7. I later carried a Colt Commander, but didn't think the shorter slide made much of a difference carrying under a sport coat.
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I have been using the 1911-style pistols since 1969 in military service, law enforcement, and now in retirement for personal defense. I consider the full-size 1911 in .45ACP to be the ideal defensive sidearm.

Not terribly difficult to carry comfortably and well concealed. All that is required is a good solid belt to support the weight and keep it distributed on the hips, and a good pancake-style holster that rides moderately high just behind the strong-side hip (about 3:30 position for a right-hand shooter). Beyond that all that is needed is a cover garment that is long enough to keep the holstered pistol covered during all normal activities. I get by daily with nothing more than a loose-fitting shirt, either cotton canvas or broadcloth. Of course, that is not appropriate for business attire, but I am retired and have a lot of latitude in how I dress. For business dress it gets even easier, with a suit coat or sport jacket of full cut (not closely tailored to the body), which I intentionally purchase in one size larger than I might otherwise wear. A panel of light canvas material sewn into the jacket lining aids in disguising the underlying holstered handgun as well as preventing snagging and tearing on exposed portions of the pistol.

The compact or subcompact pistols offer some advantages in concealment and comfort, but that comes with the usual trade-offs in reliable functioning and shorter sight radius. I trained on the full-size pistols and used one in combat more than once, so I rely on what I know.
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The 1911 is a very agreeable iwb carry gun imo. Very slim, rides right, the only issue is the weight. So one of my ccw is a 1911 alloy commander. In a good iwb holster, I hardly know i have it on.
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Anything that one can carry without being over encombered is practical by my definition.

So if you can comfortably carry a full-size 1911 on your person everyday, then I say more power to you.

Folks often fail to consider the variables at play when it comes to EDC, namely weather/climate. Obviously folks in hotter States are going to be more comfortable carrying lighter firearms, whereas in colder States it's easier to carry heavier firearms, especially during Winter.

In your situation, I could see carrying a full-size 1911, but I'm not you. I recommend trying it out for yourself to see how it feels.

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Got my first 1911 in December, 1962 ($15 plus $7.50 shipping) delivered to my folk's home in Los Angeles while I was away in the Army at Ft. Benning. Couldn't carry while doing 21 years as a full time cop (1972 - 1993) as that was revolver only times.
I did, however, carry off duty for a time, but stopped doing that because all my 1911s (like my M16/M4) were most reliable when used "wet". That always seemed to mean grease/oil stains on my pants or shirts, and as cheap as I was I hated to pay for expensive dry cleaning.
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I can tell you that for me, after carrying a full sized pistol on duty for 34 years of law enforcement, I never wanted to carry that same gun or one like it, off duty. I'm retired now and my EDC is a SIG P938. It's a mini 1911 in 9mm, conceals easily, no matter the weather, is comfortable to carry, flawless functioning and accurate. Did I mention it has night sights? For someone like me that loves 1911s, it doesn't get any better than the SIG P938. I shoot it very well and I'm confident with it.

Yes, I know, there are those that can carry a .50 AE Desert Eagle or S&W .50 caliber, 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, concealed perfectly under just a t-shirt but I can't and don't want to. Tongue in cheek aside, there those who prefer to carry a full sized pistol (1911's, SIG P226, etc.) and there is nothing wrong with that but being realistic, if carrying a 1911 were my only choice, it would spend more time at home than with me.
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For years I have carried a high cap 5" 1911 {45 acp} IWB. I am 6' 3" 215lbs. Wearing an untucked shirt, it works fine. When the weather is going to be bad I carry my rain gun Glock 17. I will admit that there are some that are easier to carry, but it works for me. I do have a Colt Defender 45 acp, but I like the higher capacity.
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A quality belt and holster are mandatory. It is an easily concealed, but heavy pistol, and the 1911 is most reliable in the original 5" format. I have done so, but moved away from that for several reasons, and in fact sold my only serious use capable true 1911 a few years ago.
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I carried a full size 1911 for a long time in a belt holster. Yes, it is heavy and only 7+1 rounds. So, I now carry a S&W M&P 45acp with 10 rounds. Much lighter in weight and more comfortable in my hand.
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I would suggest it is useless asking such a question, because different people of different stature put different values on what is practical. I weigh 155# and have comfortably carried a Colt Govt Model in Super 38--but I ain't you.
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I carry my 1911 in a Stoner Stormer Vertical shoulder rig. With this holster has a swivel built in, you draw the weapon horizontal and then the holster returns to the vertical position. It's very comfortable and very well made in Ohio.
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I carried a full size 1911 for a long time in a belt holster. Yes, it is heavy and only 7+1 rounds. So, I now carry a S&W M&P 45acp with 10 rounds. Much lighter in weight and more comfortable in my hand.
There are very reliable 8rd mags today. In my 10+1 state, I do not feel under gunned carrying 9rds & a spare mag in my 1911pd.
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For you at 6'1" and large frame I would say yes. I'm 5'7" and have carried an all steel full size 1911 but found it to be a bit much. Now I carry a lightweight commander size. I've found a stiff 1 3/4" belt to work best for me. OWB under an untucked shirt conceals well. Being retired now I don't have to concern myself with fashion. I have carried under a tucked in shirt using a Crossbreed Supertuck comfortably with no one able to spot it. That was before my waistline took up the spare space needed for the holster.
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Carrying a 1911 for Conceal Carry is definitely doable
but they're so many other pistols that are easier and lighter
to conceal carry .. I think they are a dying breed .. Those
that do usually wear a suit jacket all day and wear OWB or IWB
high on the belt at either 4:30 or 8:30 ..

1911's from those I know isn't carried often in my area ..
other areas of the country might be different then here ..
Smith Autos, and then Glocks and other plastic guns
seem to prevail here from what I have seen on the range ..
probably 10 to 15 percent carry revolvers and many of
them are woman carrying in a purse .. Sigs and Beretta's
seem to be down the list some .. with a wide variety
of others in-between ..
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I use my 1911 for a paperweight on my desk and pocket carry a S&W Bodyguard 380. I don't have to pull my pants up all day or smell like a gas station with oil all over my clothes either!
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Kimber ultra carry in summer, lightweight commander with extended barrel as soon as wearing a heavier shirt is comfortable. Belt and suspenders under untucked shirt.
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I use my 1911 for a paperweight on my desk and pocket carry a S&W Bodyguard 380. I don't have to pull my pants up all day or smell like a gas station with oil all over my clothes either!
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[QUOTE=Kiwi cop;140097417]I like to read the concealed carry threads. And I would be lying if occasionally I didn't wander off in a daydream as to which of my pistols would be suitable for CCW, and even open carry, if I lived where it is allowed.

I had it narrowed down to my Astra Constable (PPK copy) .32 auto for concealed carry, IWB holster and spare 8 round mag on left side. Despite the short barrel and skimpy sights I can hit centre of mass groups at 25 yards with this pistol and face sized groups at 10 - 15 yards. Unfortunately it only reliably fires with Federal ammunition/primers, but then I carry Federal Hydra Shock ammo on duty and I am confident with it.

For open carry I thought one of my 1911's. .45 by preference but 9mm if I required by regulations.

Then today I read on the resurrected LEOSA thread someone mentioned concealed IWB carry of a .45 1911. My fist thought was full sized or Commander/Officers? After reading this I went out to the excursive machine and my mind started to wander off as the sweat started to run. I got to thinking, is a full sized 1911 suitable for CCW or is it just too much?

Now obviously I really have no practical knowledge or experience of this so..... What does everyone think?

Before the "There are so many factors" comments come in, here are some parameters.

Male, 6"1", larger frame (build) and 20 - 25 pounds over preferred weight.

4-5 o'clock IWB strong side carry with mag pouch IWB on weak side.

Cool weather clothing: loose jeans or expandable (elastic waist) casual trousers with 1 1/4 - 1 1/2" belt.

Reasonably loose button up shirt or polo shirt, tucked in and short vest.

Warm weather clothing: walk shorts with 1 1/4" belt. Loose polo shirt tucked in and usually a short vest.

Holster and mag pouches good quality IWB, steel reinforcing to hold open and the type that allow shirt to be tucked in (I just do not like the feel of an untucked shirt).

Feasible? Fantasy? Or possible with some adjustments (shorter length 1911 pistol only?)[/QUOTE

ITS PERFECTLY DOABLE. MY EDC WEAPON WAS A FULL SIZE, '70s SERIES, COLT GOLD CUP MK II IN A DESANTIS OWB, STRONG SIDE HOLSTER---ALONG WITH A DUAL MAG POUCH, ON THE WEAK SIDE, FOR 30 YEARS.....

I CARRIED 3 CHIP McCORMICK, 10 ROUND SHOOTING STAR MAGAZINES. WITH ONE IN THE TUBE, COCKED 'N LOCKED, I HAD 31 ROUNDS OF CORBON PowRball AMMO IN .45 ACP. THAT AMMO HAS A SLICK POLYMER BALL CRIMPED INTO THE JHP CAVITY. THIS ELIMINATES ANY FEEDING PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE "FLYING ASH TRAY" JHP DESIGNS, AND THE OGIVE SENSITIVE RAMPS OF THE 1911s. THE SHOOTING STAR MAGS ARE TOP QUALITY, AND PROVED TO BE 100% RELIABLE, IN MY EXPERIENCE......

IN THIS OL' SOLDIER'S OPINION---IF 31 ROUNDS OF .45 ACP CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE, ITS TIME TO POP SMOKE FOR A DUST OFF CHOPPER.....
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Carrying a full size 1911 requires a good belt and holster. But you knew
that. On those occasions when I believe carrying the 1911 is in order,
I strap on this Milt Sparks belt and VMII IWB holster. I don't know of
anything that would be better.
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I no longer have a full size 1911. When I did, it was carried in a Bianchi shoulder holster.

I have kept my Kimber Ultra Carry which rides quite comfortably IWB in a Milt Sparks VMII.
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I have probably never carried a 1911 in a belt holster, but I have carried one a lot in a Milt Sparks Summer Special. It has been quite a few years since I carried one, but I remember that rig as THE one that I could rely on to be comfortable all day. It was the ONE that I chose when I was going to be out all day or longer and couldn't take my gun off.

I eventually got a LW Commander, but it was not as comfortable IWB, so the full-size Stainless Series 80 remained my favorite. This was because the muzzle of the CDR poked my right buttock, whereas the Gov't Model rested its slide on the same spot. Obviously, this was an individual situation, and probably wouldn't happen with most other folks.

Nowadays I mostly carry a 2" M15 in a belt holster, or a M12 in a pocket, but I'm pretty sure that the 1911 would still be a safe choice for an eighteen-hour day.
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Carried a 1911 back in the 80s full size then a Commander...... switched to an alloy frame Sig 220 .45 in the late 80s. (Didn't like carrying Cocked and Locked)

In 1911s today I only own a Sig C3 which has an Officers model frame (6+1) with a Commanders +4" length slide....IMO the ideal concealed carry setup in a 1911! Wilson Combat mags... give you 7+1 with 8 round backup(s).

That said I often carry a Beretta 92 Centurion or Compact..... both with 4.25 inch barrel/slide .....


All of the above were/are carried concealed in Milt Sparks Summer Special IWB holsters.

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Old cop here, TXDPS. In the 28 duty gun days, I was issued a 1911 when I was promoted to captain. I found it easier to carry in street clothing than the 28, by a wide margin. I was also issued a 2" square butt M&P. I found the 1911 as easy to carry in a close fitting pancake as the M&P, even though it is heavier. Remember, I was accustomed to the weight of the 28.

When we transitioned to the Sig 220, I kept the above two. I found the 1911 still useful on street clothes days. It digests the service ammo, 200 grain flying ash tray @1000+ fps. When I was promoted to Regional Commander, I was also issued a Sig 228 in 9mm. The flatter 1911 saw much more use with street clothing than did the 228.

When the .357s were retired, we were offered them at trade in prices. I bought my 28 and a pre-war 3 1/2" unregistered model that had been originally purchased for the Texas Rangers, also issued to me. When I retired, my staff purchased my issue 1911 and presented it to me. The M&Ps were not retired, but a few years ago I found a like new five screw 2" in a pawn shop and rescued it.

I have five J-frames. Now days, I mostly pocket carry a 42. If I'm not wearing a jacket, a handkerchief folded over the 42 breaks up the print. I like my several 60s, but the additional weight and the hammer are issues (I have never cut a hammer), and they are OK with jeans.

BTW if your 1911 drips oil and stains your clothing, it is overly oiled!

Your mileage may vary,

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While it's not a 1911, I have carried this Browning High Power comfortably in the Milt Sparks Summer Comfort holster. It's a full-sized gun and is my best shooter.
Open carry would be even easier in the leather DeSantis paddle holster that I have for it.
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While it's not a 1911, I have carried this Browning High Power comfortably in the Milt Sparks Summer Comfort holster. It's a full-sized gun and is my best shooter.
One of the nicest 9mm ever made...... slim and easy to carry..... Mec-gar makes a nice 15rd flush fit magazine for the HP..... what I would carry if I carried Cocked and Locked.

IIRC a lot of folks carry a 1911 and a HP in the same holster.

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I have a question.. do you also troll 1911 forums with your point of view..?
Hummmm point of view???? Can you tell me why the military junked that clunker???? Now that's more than a point of view it is the naked truth and a FACT! The 1911 is Military Scrap! Sorry I didn't mean to hurt your feelings with the truth! The truth is a pesky thing it always comes out. Now on the positive side, you only have to tell it once as it never changes!!!!!! The 1911 is junk! The do make great conversation pieces and small boat anchors though!

Gaston Glock has improved the locked breech gun world by a gigantic leap into the future. Did you know that there are more Glocks in the world than any other brand????? Plastic guns are here to stay and S&W M&P Series are excellent examples of the modern world of today. 1911 stopped in 1912 This my point of view! Sorry if it offends you junk lovers! Do you drive a 1911 car too???

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I THINK you guys that carried in any manner for decades have a huge advantage. Body size & cooler weather are a plus too. Just yesterday taking tree trimmings to the dump I got tired of pulling my shorts up & went about my business in a sleeveless Tee shirt & boxer briefs. I wouldn't attempt this in tightie whities & don't stop at the supermarket. A 1911 would not have worked. A small/light weapon in a wallet holster inside the Tee shirt pocket was fine. I really don't care about printing, BUT this is the gunshine state. Whatever works for you.

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Hummmm point of view???? Can you tell me why the military junked that clunker???? Now that's more than a point of view it is the naked truth and a FACT! The 1911 is Military Scrap! Sorry I didn't mean to hurt your feelings with the truth! The truth is a pesky thing it always comes out. Now on the positive side, you only have to tell it once as it never changes!!!!!! The 1911 is junk! The do make great conversation pieces and small boat anchors though!

Gaston Glock has improved the locked breech gun world by a gigantic leap into the future. Did you know that there are more Glocks in the world than any other brand????? Plastic guns are here to stay and S&W M&P Series are excellent examples of the modern world of today. 1911 stopped in 1912 This my point of view! Sorry if it offends you junk lovers! Do you drive a 1911 car too???

"JUNK LOVERS" ??? FISHING for trouble, you will surely catch your limit.

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...BTW if your 1911 drips oil and stains your clothing, it is overly oiled!

Your mileage may vary,

Jack
Jack’s correct. Four tiny drops of oil are all you need on a completely dry 1911, for all but the most extensive shooting.

But back to the OP’s question, my own experience is that the Government model is too heavy, for me. I’ve had a Commander for close to fifty years now. They will absolutely spoil you for heavier guns. I’m about 6’/190. I used to have no issues with IWB carry but nowadays I have become comfort-oriented and only use normal belt holsters at 4-5 o’clock.

Like Dave, I have always been tempted to try an alloy-framed Government model but just never got around to it. The Commander, in either .45 or Super .38, does exactly what I want. As to the 9mm idea, if I wanted to carry a 9mm, and I don’t, it would be something non-1911. I have never seen a 9mm 1911 magazine that inspired confidence.
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RC would have quite an audience, wouldn’t he?

I have a nice looking rock with flat bottom in my loading room in the basement. Weighs about a pound. Plenty heavy for a paperweight. Maybe he and I could make a trade? His 1911 would be gone and he’d still have something to hold down his papers. I’d have another 1911 and I could learn to get along without my rock. Win-win!
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It's been a few years but IIRC; the Commander is a alloy frame.....the Combat Commander is steel! Do I have that wrong??? Again IIRC the steel framed gun is about 10-12 oz heavier than the alloy frame.
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RC would have quite an audience, wouldn’t he?

I have a nice looking rock with flat bottom in my loading room in the basement. Weighs about a pound. Plenty heavy for a paperweight. Maybe he and I could make a trade? His 1911 would be gone and he’d still have something to hold down his papers. I’d have another 1911 and I could learn to get along without my rock. Win-win!
Careful..... OC "shoots to Kill". But never with a 1911..... well not since 1912!
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I would not take a 1911 if you gave it to me.
So here you say you wouldn't own one.

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I use my 1911 for a paperweight on my desk
Here you say you own one.

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Hummmm point of view???? Can you tell me why the military junked that clunker????
But you own 1911 junk.. right.. or don't you remember what you said.

The 1911 forum is waiting for your insight.

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Just sat this on the desk after returning from breakfast.
Tee Shirt/Wranglers...Mexican carry.

Been packin this "Junker" or one like it near 45 years.
1911-2018 is a long production run for a "junker" platform
that has been copied by countless gun companies for over 100 years.

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If you can wear an appropriate covering garment (lifestyle or climate) no problem carrying a 1911. LW Commander type pistols carry easy. When it is 100 degrees out and you can't wear your shirt untucked anything you can't pocket carry makes you miserable, not uncomfortable but miserable. If open carry ever becomes truly acceptable a 1911 would be my first choice. When weather permits a covering garment also my first choice. Only other time it isn't my 1st choice is open carry in the field when I'm woods bumming. Then i prefer a full size revolver.
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Just sat this on the desk after returning from breakfast.
Tee Shirt/Wranglers...Mexican carry.

Been packin this "Junker" or one like it near 45 years.
1911-2018 is a long production run for a "junker" platform
that has been copied by countless gun companies for over 100 years.

You know I'm like that for sure!!!

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Hummmm point of view???? Can you tell me why the military junked that clunker????
So that the US military would carry the NATO 9mm round. No other reason. And, there are still US military units today that issue and carry a 1911 platform pistol.


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Uh, no. What Gaston Glock DID do was to mass produce a pistol with an unsupported chamber design in order to make it feed reliably. A dangerous design that has resulted in numerous catastrophic failures. I've had two blow up in my hand. [/QUOTE]

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