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Old 08-03-2018, 02:40 PM
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In Clint Smith's excellent video on clearing jams and malfunctions, how did he set those firearms up to fail during that first round of shooting? From that stovepipe on the first one I'm thinking he put empty casings as the second round in the magazine. Is that what he did? Any dangers of doing damage with that method?

I'd like to practice some live fire malfunction clearings and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do it. I guess I could load some Snap Caps but I'm afraid I'll lose them in the grass and weeds.

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In Clint Smith's excellent video on clearing jams and malfunctions, how did he set those firearms up to fail during that first round of shooting? From that stovepipe on the first one I'm thinking he put empty casings as the second round in the magazine. Is that what he did? Any dangers of doing damage with that method?

I'd like to practice some live fire malfunction clearings and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do it. I guess I could load some Snap Caps but I'm afraid I'll lose them in the grass and weeds.

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A limp wrist or a under-powered round will cause a stovepipe. He is a proficient shooter and could easily do it that way.
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You can load snap caps, have someone do it randomly. If you handload, you could down load rds so they fire but not function the gun 100%. Caution, this requires a serious grasp of reloading to be done safely w/o a squib. Obviously you would want to keep these special rounds segregated & well marked for just those drills.
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On my 6904 I simply either load an empty 9mm brass case, empty brass forward for an FTF (it will feed empty brass) and empty brass loaded in magazine backward to create feed issue/jam
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Also a good way to prove to someone just how badly they are flinching. Back in the day, this is what we would surreptitiously load in a magazine during training. Cartridge, caliber .45 dummy, M1921.
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In Clint Smith's excellent video on clearing jams and malfunctions, how did he set those firearms up to fail during that first round of shooting? From that stovepipe on the first one I'm thinking he put empty casings as the second round in the magazine. Is that what he did? Any dangers of doing damage with that method?

I'd like to practice some live fire malfunction clearings and I'm trying to figure out the best way to do it. I guess I could load some Snap Caps but I'm afraid I'll lose them in the grass and weeds.

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Clint's stuff is always excellent.

In 99.999% of all cases, the shooter should have a stoppage cleared so fast it is not noticed by fellow shooters or the range officer ("range monkey").

It always amazes me to hear about someone's range monkey who has to call over a committee to clear a malfunction for the shooter, none of whom have ever seen the model of gun used by the shooter.

I actually read a post somewhere this week where the range monkey had never seen or heard of an HK P7, had to call a committee over to the firing point to have "top level talks" with the other range monkeys to determine if the hapless shooter would be allowed to shoot the P7 for qualification because the committee of range monkeys could not decide if the P7 was safe, apparently not knowing that it was once the issue firearm of the New Jersey State Police, and others. Can you imagine that?

It is even worse when the range monkey has never learned on a DA revolver and does not know the function of the ejection rod or how to clear the piece.

It really all goes crazy when the range monkey does not know how to properly load and unload a SA revolver, or how to get the empty chamber under the hammer.

Where do they get these range monkeys anyway?
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You can load snap caps, have someone do it randomly.
Yep, snap caps are perfect for this. Having someone else load the mag with snap caps randomly in the stack helps by causing the malfunction unexpectedly.
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If you attend a quality school such as Gunsite, you will be taught to set up the malfunction for the malfunction drill. All my academy instructors were Gunsite rangemasters (couldn't be an instructor without that credential) and we did a bunch of those. I'd be amazed if you could not find a tutorial on youtube or someplace else on the web.
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To create a out of battery malfunction, load empty cases. Don't load the magazine full, because at some point you'll crush the empties. Put like 7 or 8 rounds in a 15 round mag, with an empty every two or three. Snap caps will load and eject properly, and will also allow you to practice malfunction drills. The empty cases will create a more serious problem, but the malfunction drill is essentially the same no matter the malfunction . . .
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The RSO at my favorite indoor range swears Winchester white box from WalMart will do the trick all too often. I have to agree after running a case this past year.
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