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Old 08-10-2018, 11:43 PM
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Confession: gun owners supporting tests and qualifications for CCW has got to be my biggest pet peeve, especially when those same gun owners claim to be ardent defenders of liberty. So here goes...

The only thing worse than having pointlessly simple or needlessly complex CCW shooting tests is having a test for CCW at all. Simply put, I believe that supporting tests and qualifications is incompatible with truly supporting the causes of private gun ownership and self-defense.
  • Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming all seem to be getting along just fine (hint: these are the constitutional carry states). That's about 7.5% of the US population.
  • If you say the word "but" after "I support the Second Amendment", you don't support the Second Amendment.
  • Requiring tests and classes and education and training makes CCW cost money. When the government mandates that you pay money to do a thing, we call that a "tax". If you believe that adequate self defense is a fundamental human right, then it is immoral to support taxing citizens who exercise it. It is even more immoral when you consider doing so means the poorest citizens, the ones most commonly victimized by crime, will be even less able to afford access to adequate self-defense.
  • I've never heard a single person advocate for a shooting test they themselves couldn't pass, or a standard of training they hadn't already acquired.
  • When you advocate in favor of a test you can pass, but others can not, that makes you an elitist.
  • When you believe you should have access to adequate self defense, but other people are not worthy of wielding lethal force, that makes you Michael Bloomberg.

Will some goobers do stupid things with guns? Sure. The cost of freedom is that some people misuse it. But plenty of folks do just as much damage by abusing the First and Fourth Amendments, and I'm sure plenty of folks here are irritated at how others use their right to vote, and Congress' incessant abuse of their lack of term limits and budgetary authority.
This should be “stickied” somewhere.
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But why the "K?" What does it signify?

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Its a protest for those of us stuck here for what ever reason, generally financial. Voluntarily is a broad term, often tossed around by single people with no family or sometimes careers. I am 1-2y from retiring & it wont be here. The state used to be fine, only SanFran was the (redacted). Today, every county that is not rural is a liberal (redacted), but for Orange County. Why the state keeps drifting further left, too many parasites, govt & illegals & non working.
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Old 08-11-2018, 01:58 AM
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[quote=nachogrande;140129236][QUOTE=Whitwabit;140127145]

[QUOTE= I wouldn't shoot at a range that disallowed it.

If your options were their way or not shooting???? THEIR BALL, THEIR RULES. Not everyone has the options of wide open spaces & anything goes rules. [/quote]


You have the whole Everglades to go shoot in
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:10 AM
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Depends on the range. To the county to the south of where I live is a county owned range open to the public. Very strict rules. No conceal carry, no open carry, no drawing from a holster. I belong to a private range here in the county where I live. Very few rules. I like it because I can practice quick draw from my concealed carry position.
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Old 08-11-2018, 12:27 PM
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How’d you come out with the softball size hail?
The weather in Colorado Springs is weird because of the altitude and the mountains. The zoo is around 8500 feet that's why they got that hail. I live just East of Templeton Gap (a ridge that cuts right through town) all we got is rain.
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Unhappy SURE, THAT'S REALISTIC.

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You have the whole Everglades to go shoot in[/QUOTE]

YEAH, it's only a 7 hour round trip drive, Vs 30 minutes.
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Old 08-11-2018, 01:47 PM
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YEAH, it's only a 7 hour round trip drive, Vs 30 minutes.

Then go to Okefenokee. I assume you don't have a full social calendar. What else are you going to do with your time? Go to Taco Bell?
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Then go to Okefenokee. I assume you don't have a full social calendar. What else are you going to do with your time? Go to Taco Bell?
There are numerous places to shoot much closer than that, ALL have +/-'s. The closest is an indoor app 3 miles from my door, 15$/hr, no reloads, brass belongs to them if it hits the floor, 50' max distance, no CC, no shooting from a holster, 90+ % are plastic fantastic mag dumpers. The ones in the sticks are like the old west NO RULES but plenty of crime & rip-offs. 15 - 20 minutes is MY club (open to the public too ) it IS STRICT especially in the general public "open range" other areas for just about anything except sporting clays & shooting closer than 10 yards. I can LIVE with that. AND + 1,000 I have to drive by 2 Taco Bells going to/from. TEHO

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As I noted, avg gun owner is poorly skilled, little to no professional training & virtually no practice but once or twice a year. Come to think of it, that applies to most LEO too.
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Is there anyone you think should be carrying a gun?
You've just insulted most of the membership here . . .

Muss,
I truly apricate your posts.

It's a mad, mad world......trolls everywhere.

I've been a lot more satisfied since I add about half of these jokers to the ignore list.

But, I will admit I miss out on most of the insulting comments.

As for my range, it's keep it safe and mind yur muzzle at all times.


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I carry a 380 Taurus Spectrum in my right front pocket when I'm shooting at a secured state park. Including the guns I'm actually shooting
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The indoor range I frequent allows concealed carry. No open carry, long and short guns cased till the shooter is on the firing line. No range officer, but several cameras. Any indiscretions are dealt with immediately. First, a warning. Second, get out and don't come back.
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Old 09-10-2018, 11:09 AM
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But why the "K?" What does it signify?
I stands for kommies & ultraleft libitarts,the elected officials that run this state.
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I've shot a couple different ranges down here in NC and they fine with concealed carry on the range.

One of them is fine with open or concealed carry. When the line is cold, firearms, including handgun can't touched. However in both cases handguns can be left un touched in the holster. Loaded or not doesn't matter. Since firearms cannot be handled when the range is cold, if you want to pack up and leave, you need to do it when the range is hot.

At the other range, all shooters stand behind a designated line when the range is cold, unless they are in the designated lane to walk down range. I use this range only for long range rifle purposes, so I have not inquired about drawing from a holster on the range.

The other range is fine with shooters drawing from a holster and drawing from concealment, as long as it is done safely. If you can't do it safely, you'll be told not to do it and or ejected from the range, perhaps permanently, depending on how unsafe you happen to be.

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At the NRA range in Fairfax, I found it depended on the range officer and how busy the range happened to be, as well as the type of holster involved.

Range officers who knew me had no problems with me drawing from concealment with a right side hip holster as the muzzle never points behind the firing point. That was nice as their target system and it's target presentation options and timing options were ideally suited to practicing drawing from the holster and from a concealed carry holster.

Shoulder, cross draw and small of the back holsters were a no-go due to the 180 rule.

Range Officers who did not know me, did one of two things - they either observed me until they were satisfied I was competent and safe, and then let me continue.

On one occasion when the range was full, an RO I had not met before asked me to shoot instead from a low ready position. It may have been because he was busy, or it may have been be because he did not want to have to explain to some less competent shooter why I could draw from the holster and he could not.
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Our private outdoor range allows concealed and open carry, but have never seen anyone open carry. You can practice draw and fire as close as you want on the wood back boards, so long as everyone is at same distance. There are no full time RSO's, and would not be a member if they did not allow cc.

Also belong to a indoor range that also sells firearms. They allow open/concealed carry. Their rules used to prohibit practicing drawing, unless you passed a certain paid for course. Their rules are a lot more comprehensive and strict, and I don't blame them a bit as they allow the public to come in and shoot, if they pay. They recently changed the rule to allowing practice drawing if they certify you at free training and you use a specific type of non-collapsing holster (NO hybirds). Their insurance/responsibility, their rules. All the employees are RSO's, and you are on camera in the showroom and range.
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