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Old 08-05-2018, 12:32 PM
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Does your local range allow concealed carry?

Obviously there's no need to respond if you shoot in your back yard. But, if you go to a range, do they have a policy against carrying while at the range?

Also, do they allow presentation from the holster or from concealment?

I keep hearing about ranges that don't allow this. Not allowing presentation from the holster I might understand because so many don't really know how to do it. But, not allowing concealed carry at all I find strange.
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I conceal carry at the club range; no rule against it. Generally there is only one shooter (or group of friends) per bay ..... maybe a couple on the rifle range (before Deer season).

Pistol bays (20 x 50 yds) are isolated from each other by 10-12ft high berms back stop is dug into a 150 ft (est) high hill....... back in the 90s the club was a USPSA match site.....so ya presenting from concealed carry and open carry is permitted.

A lot of times; during the week, you can be the only one there.......so I carry and wear electronic muffs for situational awareness. What better place to acquire a firearm.

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Indoor range here allows concealed and open carry but no drawing from holster while shooting.
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I go to an outdoor range.. separate pistol ranges with earthen berms in between..

Set up multiple static targets and draw from concealed.. not a problem with the RO...
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Yes. I probably would not go if they prohibited it. I just joined, and I find it to be almost a country club in terms of the amenities and services available.

They have a VIP room for parties and the like, to which a few local food places will deliver; rental guns including full-auto and suppressed; nice indoor range (ok, it's hard to keep it cool enough for me while adequately ventilating in the 100+ degree heat - so I bring bottles of water and plan to sweat); range officers always on the range to monitor and help; instructors, etc. It was recommended to me by one of our local troopers when I asked about a place to take my wife for instruction, and she was right. I bought the 1 year premium membership the first day I was there.
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:43 PM
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Yes, may carry concealed. Weapon may be removed from holster when at a firing point, and must be reholstered before leaving a firing point.
As far as drawing when at a firing point - I would hope that's done only at one of the bayed pistol ranges where a screw up would be contained. AFAIK, nobody has shot themselves. Yet.
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At my club, it gets a little complex.

During the Glock matches, competitors can open carry their sidearm provided the arm is unloaded and the action is open.

During IDPA matches, on the line, the competitor must carry concealed, loading only on command. Off the line, the competitor must carry concealed but unloaded. When entering/exiting the pistol pits, there is a designated station where sidearm must be cased/uncased.

For all practical purposes, unsupervised carry (open or concealed) is discouraged.
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Old 08-05-2018, 12:59 PM
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The outdoor range I go to does NOT allow open carry . When they call " the range is cold " ( no more shooting ) you are not allowed to leave, to touch your guns , shooting bag etc . To leave , you have to wait for the range to be " hot " ( shooting again) to touch your bag , firearms to leave . Those are their rules . It's been in business for over 50 yrs .
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I can carry but no drawing from the holster. Honestly, at the indoor range I'm glad no holster draw with some of the "shooters" I see. Pretty sure there would be a lot on ricochets flying around. I practice drawing from the holster with an empty gun while at home.
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The outdoor range I belong to allows concealed but not open. They have four designated pistol ranges. Two of those allow drawing from the holster. The couple of indoor ranges I frequent allow carried but no drawing from holster.
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I'm a member of 2 clubs, and they have different rules. My wife is a member of two other clubs and they have some different rules also. (When in Rome)


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At one club you can carry concealed, but you cannot shoot that gun as it is required to stay concealed at all time.

The other club you cannot carry on a range, but if your well concealed no one will know. LEOS at these clubs can carry but must be well concealed and not use that gun to shoot. All guns you are bringing into shoot must be unloaded and in some sort of case/box.

To shoot from the holster at some ranges you must attend a 3 hour class and be certified. One range does not allow any from the holster at all.

Hey folks I did not make those rules I'm just telling you how things work. They were in place before I was a member! Personally I try to stay within the rules as best I can.

I can always shoot at my house range and I have no problem following any rules I proclaim there.
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Old 08-05-2018, 01:20 PM
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My outdoor range is a "cold range"-- no loaded firearms except in the bays. I leave my carry piece in the car. Since a lot of competitions are held there, there's no problem with working from a holster.

The local indoor range, where I used to have a membership, has no problem with concealed carry. Working from a holster depends on whether the range officer thinks you're safe enough. As long as you're careful to always have the barrel pointed downrange, including when loading, they'll lower the shelf out of your way so that you can draw. A previous indoor range didn't allow holster stuff at all, and limited you to one shot per second, which is why I eventually gave that one up.
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Old 08-05-2018, 01:24 PM
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My range does allow ccw on their property and does allow you to draw from a holster on the line. They have targets w/electronic timers that you can program to edge away at various times and distances. I like to practice there for my LEOSA certification.
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Most public ranges have rules against loaded guns anyplace but on the line. Most also have rules against presentation from a holster or rapid fire. For good reason too, most gun owners are poor shooters with poor skills & the public range has liability. For this reason, I shun public ranges 99% of the year. I belong to 2 private ranges where I can practice any safe way I want.
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Question DIFFERENT RANGES, DIFFERENT RULES. WHY THE BIG SURPRIZE?

VERY clearly posted & strictly enforced. NO LOADED FIREARMS beyond this point, which is right at the entrance. The only exceptions are for RO's & on duty uniformed LEOS ONLY. I wouldn't doubt some try and sneak in a pocket gun, but I've seen people 86'd for violating the rule. You may draw from a holster in a more secluded separate area during one of many shooting events, but NOT at the open/general public larger range. All guns are unloaded ALL the time unless actively being shot at the firing line. For a busy range it makes sense, but even with 4-6 RO's there are still holes where they don't belong. Why this topic, that comes up EVERY few weeks, gets so heated, I have no idea.

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Most public ranges have rules against loaded guns anyplace but on the line. Most also have rules against presentation from a holster or rapid fire. For good reason too, most gun owners are poor shooters with poor skills & the public range has liability. For this reason, I shun public ranges 99% of the year. I belong to 2 private ranges where I can practice any safe way I want.
BINGO! And that is the reason I do my handgun practice/shooting at home...

That said, I DO go to a public range for my Rem 222 rifle practice at 200yd (furthest distance that this range offers).






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. . . most gun owners are poor shooters with poor skills . . .
Allow me a brief drift to remark that the above is an unfortunate opinion . . .

The indoor range I frequent is a "go along to get along" kind of place attached to a LGS. Carry concealed is fine, drawing from the holster is fine. He's got one of those tongue in cheek signs about keeping all pistols holstered until necessary, and then judicious marksmanship is appreciated. Only four lanes, and generally not full. Owner charges $10 some times, but if you bought the gun there, you can usually use it free if you buy some ammo and targets. That's kinda the general mindset about life in these parts, with nobody too uptight about anything. I helped him move it and reassemble it after he bought it from a local PD that wanted it out of their building, so I shoot free.
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My regular indoor range/gun shop allows CCW and drawing from a holster. There's a new gunshop/range that does not allow drawing on their range. I don't go to that one. I sent them an email asking why they do not allow it. I never got a response.

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Allow me a brief drift to remark that the above is an unfortunate opinion . . .

The indoor range I frequent is a "go along to get along" kind of place attached to a LGS. Carry concealed is fine, drawing from the holster is fine. He's got one of those tongue in cheek signs about keeping all pistols holstered until necessary, and then judicious marksmanship is appreciated. Only four lanes, and generally not full. Owner charges $10 some times, but if you bought the gun there, you can usually use it free if you buy some ammo and targets. That's kinda the general mindset about life in these parts, with nobody too uptight about anything. I helped him move it and reassemble it after he bought it from a local PD that wanted it out of their building, so I shoot free.
Not an opinion but fact. I have shot at public ranges from Kalif to Ga & a few states inbetween. Most have such rules & a few others as well. You quote a single place, so your opinion seems quite limited??
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The indoor range I mostly use does NOT allow shooting from the holster EXCEPT for people who are qualifying for work (i. e. security guards) or qualifying for CCW permits, under direct supervision of a rangemaster. It is a basic safety situation as many nimrods are, frankly, unsafe shooting from the holster. They dont' have a problem with carrying at the range other than that.
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The outdoor range I belong to allows drawing from the holster in the pistol berms. No loaded carry anywhere but the firing line. No CCW until You are at Your vehicle. We have very strict rules and adhere to them. Any deviation and You are out. The club has been here since 1947 and there have only been a few accidents and all were self caused. You can drive in a stranger off the streets, park and get out and visit the ranges and by the end of the day there probably won't be a gun You haven't shot. We have a very friendly club and We have a very SAFE club.
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Concealed or open carry of a loaded firearm is fine anywhere on our Club property, including at the ranges. However, if that's the gun you plan to shoot it can't come out of the holster until you're at the line and at that point it becomes subject to all other range rules (pointed downrange at all times, unloaded and not touched when anyone is downrange, etc., etc.). Working from the holster is only allowed if you're the only one at the range (which happens often), except of course at organized events that require it - SASS, Steel Challenge, et al. Zero injuries in nearly 80 years of operation.

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Our outdoor range has no regulation against carrying while on the range, and I am nearly always armed while there. The main thing is that you don't handle a holstered firearm during a cease fire or while you are behind the firing line. I'm sure someone will mess that up in the coming months or years.

To my knowledge there isn't a rule against working from the holster, but it seldom happens. On weekends when the range is busy it would be a bit awkward and I can see the RSOs stopping someone from doing so for safety, particularly if the shooter didn't look like they were real proficient. I generally don't practice from the holster while at this range, as I can practice those drills on the range at work or at a place in the desert where I like to shoot.
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My range is a private club. Because of my work schedule I'm normally there on Wednesday morning and have the entire range to myself.

I think there's a rule against taking loaded guns off the firing line but I ignore it. There is no rule against drawing from a holster or rapid fire. IF YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE IN THE BAY they don't object to you going forward of the firing line to work on something and to my knowledge there's no rule against open carry.
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Both ranges I frequent do not allow Conceal Carry and do not allow drawing from a holster ..

The out door range I was told was due to insurance reasons .. Don't
know if that is factual or just an excuse ..

The indoor range was due to a person firing a round into the floor next to someone else .. that ended drawing from a holster .. Owner states safety reasons ..

Shooting in my back yard I do practice holster drawing .. but usually don't allow anyone else to unless I am acquainted on how well the person shoots .. and how safe they are .. there are others I won't allow ..

But almost all of my holster drawing is done indoors dry firing with an unloaded pistol in my safe room !! often I will stick on a red dot to see any movement ..
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Most of the indoor and outdoor ranges here allow concealed carry. But they do not allow drawing from your holster. Mostly because of insurance. However, if management approves you, then you can but you have to be a member.

I worked part time at a indoor range. I saw two fools shoot themselves. Unfortunately us gun owners are not created equal. Some ruin it for the rest of us.
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Not an opinion but fact. I have shot at public ranges from Kalif to Ga & a few states inbetween. Most have such rules & a few others as well. You quote a single place, so your opinion seems quite limited??
Nope. Not necessarily a fact. Your opinion as to whether "most gun owners are poor shooters with poor skills" is a fact is based on limited observation. My observation is just about as limited (CA to all over FL and a few states in between), and my opinion as to what is fact is about the opposite of yours, although it is a little closer to yours in the far northeast.

Of course, I am not the final authority on this subject. Muss Muggins never claimed to be. If you want to persist in your claim that your opinion based on your observation is a "fact," you will need better or even unusual creds.
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Concealed or open carry of a loaded firearm is fine anywhere on our Club property, including at the ranges. However, if that's the gun you plan to shoot it can't come out of the holster until you're at the line and at that point it becomes subject to all other range rules (pointed downrange at all times, unloaded and not touched when anyone is downrange, etc., etc.). Working from the holster is only allowed if you're the only one at the range (which happens often), except of course at organized events that require it - SASS, Steel Challenge, et al. Zero injuries in nearly 80 years of operation.
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Not an opinion but fact. I have shot at public ranges from Calif to Ga & a few states inbetween. Most have such rules & a few others as well. You quote a single place, so your opinion seems quite limited??
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Public indoor range, no prohibition on loaded holstered carry if kept in the holster. No drawing from holsters anywhere, unless

You take the holster certification course. Then you can draw and shoot from any holster on range #2 which is set up with substantial bullet proof lane barriers at the shooting points. Rapid fire allowed.
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Nope. Not necessarily a fact. Your opinion as to whether "most gun owners are poor shooters with poor skills" is a fact is based on limited observation. My observation is just about as limited (CA to all over FL and a few states in between), and my opinion as to what is fact is about the opposite of yours, although it is a little closer to yours in the far northeast.

Of course, I am not the final authority on this subject. Muss Muggins never claimed to be. If you want to persist in your claim that your opinion based on your observation is a "fact," you will need better or even unusual creds.
Well seems we are talking two diff things here. Muss states nothing about shooters or skill but that my opinion on public ranges is just that. Yet read all tne posts where public ranges do not let you ccw or shoot froma holster as a general rule.
As to my observation of the gen pop & their shooting skills, yes it is my opinion but pretty much spot on based on 40y of observation around the country. The avg gun owner has very limited skills, that is a fact. Accidental shootings annually alone pretty much prove that. Look at the interior of any indoor range & you get a pretty good idea of peoples skill le els. Proof could only be obtained if I tested eberyone & that aint gonna happen.
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I've been to three indoor ranges here, two frequently and the third only once. All three allow shooters to carry guns, but the guns have to stay holstered until you're on the firing line in your booth. None of the three ranges prohibit drawing in their rules, though I didn't do so at the range I visited only once. The two ranges I visit frequently have never had a problem with me drawing. One of them also has programmable turning targets, which is nice for reaction shooting and testing oneself when drawing.
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The outdoor range I use allows concealed and open carry, but does not allow drawing and firing practice from the holster.
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My club says no loaded guns and no holsters UNLESS you have a carry permit or you are a LEO. Then it's fine. I always carry while there. Sometimes I shoot my carry gun. Sometimes I don't. There are no rules against doing so.
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Yes. I probably would not go if they prohibited it. I just joined, and I find it to be almost a country club in terms of the amenities and services available.

They have a VIP room for parties and the like, to which a few local food places will deliver; rental guns including full-auto and suppressed; nice indoor range (ok, it's hard to keep it cool enough for me while adequately ventilating in the 100+ degree heat - so I bring bottles of water and plan to sweat); range officers always on the range to monitor and help; instructors, etc. It was recommended to me by one of our local troopers when I asked about a place to take my wife for instruction, and she was right. I bought the 1 year premium membership the first day I was there.
Which range is this? I'm a member of 3 outdoor clubs in Western Washington, but this one sounds really great! Do tell!
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A range that prohibits concealed carry, really? I bet they teach CC classes. That’s ridiculous.
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CC at the ranges but drawing from holster only during private lessons on a closed portion of the range.
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The Miami Shootout robbers ,Platt & Matix, were known to acquire firearms by ambushing people who were target practicing all alone out in the Everglades.

About 10 years ago a THR member was murdered on a BLM range where he'd gone shooting alone. Police speculate that he was killed for his guns. As far as I know the murder was never solved.

When I go to the range I have a concealed gun on me at all times and my wife and I make it a point that at least one of the guns that we're there to shoot that day is loaded at all times.
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My LGS has a public/private range.
memberships can be purchased that provide misc benefits , reduced fee's ect. we have 16 bays or lanes separated by a brick wall w plexiglass , members go to one side & general public to the other.
A RO (or multiple) watch the general public at all times.

there is a firm "no draw and fire rule"
there are also "no loaded.." signs posted at the entrance.

great place , my wife and daughters enjoy visiting as well.
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The Miami Shootout robbers ,Platt & Matix, were known to acquire firearms by ambushing people who were target practicing all alone out in the Everglades.

About 10 years ago a THR member was murdered on a BLM range where he'd gone shooting alone. Police speculate that he was killed for his guns. As far as I know the murder was never solved.

When I go to the range I have a concealed gun on me at all times and my wife and I make it a point that at least one of the guns that we're there to shoot that day is loaded at all times.
I shoot at National Forest Ranges that are located right far out. No rules about carrying. I go during the weekdays when there are few if any others tbere. I open carry when at the range unusually a .38 Smith or Colt. Being remote I don't want to be surprised by such a situation however unlikely it might be. An ounce of prevention is a good thing.
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Both clubs I belong to allow concealed carry. (I can't imagine them not.) Neither allows open carry or drawing from the holster. We have strict safety procedures which I 100% approve.
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My club has 3 ranges for rifle/ pistol. A 50 yard and 100 yard outdoor range. And a 25 yard outside range with a pistol house. 22 LR and non-magnum handguns only.

How you carry has never been an issue. Safety Always is!

The Pistol house is shoot from "Standing or seated, gun up position" only.

I informed the President, that I would have the ladies from church practicing with their handguns on the 100 yard range (from 10 yards). The focus for the season was draw and fire from their daily concealment position; ankle, purse, waist, flash-bang or whatever! He looked at me surprised and said he had never once thought to practice draw and firing. The 5 women that attended over the 13 weeks we did this got very good and some changed methods of carry to more concealment as their confidence grew. (Nobody had a flash-bang bra holster! at least that they would admit.) 2 of the women liked their 1911 variants, but couldn't find a method they liked (they didn't even consider a purse an option!) But they all borrowed and tried several methods for every pistol the owned. They all liked a small caliber (22 or 32 BUG) on the ankle, but had only practiced in shorts and were not sure they wanted to buy clothes to go with that system!

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If the local indoor range/LGS adopted this policy they'd be laughed out of business.
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I go to three ranges. All allow CC with appropriate license, none allow open carry unless you are an employee or LEO in uniform.

None allow removing your CC weapon on the range. They do all allow going with a range officer to a designated location to unholster / unload the pistol to carry it in a case back to the firing line.

There are exceptions for advanced training, but that will be on a bay closed the the public, with an RO with each shooter.
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WELL ISN'T THAT SPECIAL. No walker mounted holsters? Must be a special kind of LADY & a sight to behold. Red hat day must be a gas.
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Indoor range here allows concealed and open carry but no drawing from holster while shooting.
It's the same at all the ranges that I attend.
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Our range will allow drawing from a holster,but, only with a unloaded gun that has just been checked by our range officer. I can go along with this.
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I wouldn't waste my time at a range that didn't allow me to draw from concealment. If you ever have to defend yourself with a handgun that's kinda gonna be a critical skill
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Many years back at my large gun club, I was a officer and RO and instructor.

At that time due to the small amount of people that had pistol permits, (needed just to own a handgun in NYS) there was not much said about carrying loaded if you were safe. That was either open or concealed.

We did allow none members to shoot with a nominal fee to the club. The club was about 3/8 mile off road and many times during the traditional work day you had the range to yourself or perhaps one other shooter.

I always carried there and many time openly.

All was well till one day a lone member was shooting 2 nice rifles and he went down the 100 yards to check his target. When he got back up range his two rifles and ammo was gone. No car or person was seen, they must have showed up "got lucky" and took his things and then left fast!

I normally used a good spotting scope and bullet holes were easy to see at the 100 yards, in fact you could tell what was what if you were shooting different calibers. That meant I only went down to set up or retrieve target, not a trip every few shots.

When I did target set and retrieve if I was alone I left my guns locked in car unless another shooter was there to keep a eye on things. As stated most time I stayed up range and kept a eye on things. I got in the habit of turning around and looking back on the trip down range a couple times after that stolen gun incident.
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