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Old 08-13-2018, 04:41 PM
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Old 08-13-2018, 04:45 PM
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"Officer, I was looking frantically for my lost dog when I stopped to ask a pedestrian if he had seen Rover. He responded by threatening to arrest me, and then siccing his dog on me through my window . . . "
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...if any of you other "dumb guys" figure out the punch line to this joke...

...could you let the rest of us in on it?...
Yeah, really. It's now dawned on me that I lack the intelligence to participate in this discussion any longer. I'm obviously not one of the two anointed forum members who "get it". Y'all can have it. It's near enough to 5:00 here that I think I'll relocate to my back porch, drink a cold one, and commune with my dogs for a while.
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I may be wrong but in some jurisdictions, flashing a light at a moving car can be construed as provocation or reckless behavior. I wouldn't do it & since most states require a lit rear lic plate, I am not sure why one would say they were lighting up the lic plate. More likely lighting up the rear window to show displeasure in the reckless driving. When carrying a gun, don't do stupid things that may cause you to have to use it, jmo.
I have no idea. But I would easily be able to explain using a light to properly illuminate a reckless driver's vehicle to give a proper description to the REAL authorities.

But I agree, the OP's detailed description of his weapon, holster, ammo, and walking around with a voice activated recorder to help clear him in the event of a shooting speaks pretty loudly to me.

On the other side, two years ago while I was driving to work, (I'm retired and was driving a friend into work for the week), there was this flashy yellow sports car that was out of control. It would pass on the right shoulder doing at LEAST 90 mph. We saw it every day, same time of morning. On the third day, I gave my co-worker my phone and told her to stand by ready to record. Sure enough, we see the dust cloud coming up from him driving on the shoulder. She recorded him being a maniac and I drove it to the trooper barracks. Showed it to the desk sergeant and said if he had a trooper on the road the next day he'd get him. Sure enough, the next day I left later on purpose and had to laugh as I saw the idiot pulled over on the side of the road and sitting in the back of the trooper car looking glum.

Public getting involved is good. In the OP's case, not so much.

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Old 08-13-2018, 05:53 PM
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Okay, guys. I’ve been properly chastised. Only two guys got it.
And neither one of them was you

You don't by any chance call out complete strangers for parking in handicapped parking do you?

Do you understand that everything after " I illuminated the back of the car to get the plate." was on you? That is an extremely provocative action. It's almost guaranteed to cause a confrontation. There's almost no point in discussing the rest of the encounter because none of it would have happened had you not lit him up.

Add to that that even though the guy never got out of his car you put your dog on him. How do you justify that?

I find it interesting that you carry a voice activated recorder everywhere you go. To me that indicates that this wasn't the first time you've provoked a confrontation with a stranger. You've obviously planned to have to make a statement.
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I've worked as a security guard for about 10 years. Most of the people I've worked with are just punching a clock and trying to pay the rent but every so often I'll run into a guy that thinks that being a contract security guard makes him a "first responder".

I used to work with a guy (no joke he looked like John Candy) who would put on his uniform and drive around his neighborhood every July 4th making sure none of the neighbors were shooting off fireworks. I'm amazed he never got his butt kicked.

I don't understand why the security industry draws people like that but it does and it always makes my life difficult when I have to work with one of them because I spend my whole shift trying to keep them from doing something stupid
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:29 PM
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...if any of you other "dumb guys" figure out the punch line to this joke...

...could you let the rest of us in on it?...
Honestly, I didn’t think this was a joke...or even funny. Weird maybe...I did not believe anything in the OP ever happened.
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Okay, guys. I’ve been properly chastised. Only two guys got it.
No...everyone got it. You asked for opinions. You just don't like the ones that don't conform to your point of view.
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Interesting story - glad nothing bad came out of it. Doubly glad that I walked at the mall today instead of in the neighborhood! The mall has A/C and security (of sorts) and the vast majority of visitors before 9AM are old folks ... just like me ... .
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Old 08-13-2018, 07:26 PM
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I don't understand why the security industry draws people like that but it does and it always makes my life difficult when I have to work with one of them because I spend my whole shift trying to keep them from doing something stupid
There's a percentage of that type that are attracted to LE as
well, though the extra hoops-for-hire cull out most of em.

I had the same thought on bringing a voice recorder along,
when walking the dog--expectation/intent to provoke a
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I have been carrying for many years and one thing I've made a habit of is biting my tongue. Around here as with many places people are driving extremely aggressive and reckless. I've found life to be a lot more pleasant if you can let a few things just go. When a person is carrying they take on a whole different level of self containment. Just my opinion, not trying to pile on, I wasn't there and you handled it the way you saw fit. I think I would have just kept walking.
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Although I agree with the sentiment of not provoking, I am amazed at the chiding, you’ll shoot your eye out, walk away from bad-guys attitude?

Okay, great, glad y’all are good citizens that will watch, but not do. Not all of us are good at that. I’ve read the first page and imagine more on the second.
Imagine you’ll chastise me for “ being aggressive “. Sorry, I was taught that bad people don’t get a free ride. How to handle it is harder.
1. Take the persons plate and report it?
2. Ignore it?
3. Confront them?

Obviously #2 is what I’ve read so far.....
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Lots of Monday morning quarterbacks on this one.
I hope with the info you gave the police led to a look at this guy.
Remember folks, it was the kids reckless driving that was the cause of the whole thing, not elm creek. My Monday morning qb thought is maybe elm creek saved someones life.
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That’s funny right there. I don’t care who you are . . .

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Realizing that even if you’re “right” if things escalate to weapons the cost to you will be immense, both criminal & civil. It’s taken me a long time to get here (I’m in my 70s) but today I’d just ignore this joker. Karma will catch up w/him sooner or later and in the meantime you just live life and enjoy your hobbies.
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Sounds like the dog was feeling more homicidal than Mr. Mouth.
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Although I agree with the sentiment of not provoking, I am amazed at the chiding, you’ll shoot your eye out, walk away from bad-guys attitude?

Okay, great, glad y’all are good citizens that will watch, but not do. Not all of us are good at that. I’ve read the first page and imagine more on the second.
Imagine you’ll chastise me for “ being aggressive “. Sorry, I was taught that bad people don’t get a free ride. How to handle it is harder.
1. Take the persons plate and report it?
2. Ignore it?
3. Confront them?

Obviously #2 is what I’ve read so far.....
So now we’re supposed to play cop? Your post worries me.

How many well meaning people have been brutally assaulted or killed because they used poor judgment? Happens almost everyday.

The proper thing to do in this case would have been to get a license number and call the police. Nothing more. The OP intentionally put himself in a situation where he may have needed to defend himself. Can you see the headlines?

“MAN SHOOTS DISTRAUGHT UNARMED MAN FOR DRIVING RECKLESSLY.”
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I would not have shined a light. I would have tried to get a plate if I saw him again, and called it in regardless to report a maniac in my neighborhood.

I do keep a careful eye out in my own small town, but I do so without any possibility of a confrontation.

I have indeed notified my local PD on several occasions to report various suspicions, and it's always been surreptitiously, and from a distance or a different location.

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When I see bad behavior I take pics and send them to the local PD. Like the family of 6 riding down the highway on a golf cart. Usually get some response.


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Although I agree with the sentiment of not provoking, I am amazed at the chiding, you’ll shoot your eye out, walk away from bad-guys attitude?

Okay, great, glad y’all are good citizens that will watch, but not do. Not all of us are good at that. I’ve read the first page and imagine more on the second.
Imagine you’ll chastise me for “ being aggressive “. Sorry, I was taught that bad people don’t get a free ride. How to handle it is harder.
1. Take the persons plate and report it?
2. Ignore it?
3. Confront them?

Obviously #2 is what I’ve read so far.....
Read "the rest of the story"........ he/OP is (as far as I know/have read ) not a sworn police officer..... he's at best 45 minutes from any official response...... I think the answer ...at least mine was #1.(Post #37 line 5)

#3.. Really!!!!.. How.. Actor was driving away at high speed .... OP was on foot......do you really want an armed civilian confronting a bad driver in your jurisdiction???? I can only imagine the call you'd get over the radio.......

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From the responses from this OP, further discussion is going no where. However, he has enough responses here on the site to interest a prosecutor should the need arise in the future.
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Unleashing your dog may be considered escalation or self-defense.

Admitting you did it consciously is an issue.

Bluntly if someone was threatening me and their dog was used as a weapon and it appeared aggressive a reasonable person could claim they feared for their safety and well being. SOME people use their dogs to intimidate.

The question is would you be viewed as escalating. Asking do you want to go to jail does not difuse the situation.

Personally I think you could be perceived as part of the problem depending on how things go.

A soft word might have diffused the situation. Simply asking if he was OK and offering a meeker response would have not diminished your defensive posture and allowed the driver to reconsider. You would have not been any worse off tactically.
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Lunatic drivers are the norm around where I was raised in NYC. I wouldn't of given the driver a second thought. Heck, watching the UPS driver slalom the double parked cars at speed looks homicidal to the uninitiated.
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When I am carrying I try to keep my big mouth shut. I don’t need any problems no matter who is the aggressor.
THIS IS VERY GOOD ADVICE FROM haywood.....

IMHO, NOTHING GOOD WAS GOING TO COME FROM THE OP'S ACT OF ILLUMINATING THE REAR OF THIS WHACK JOB'S CAR. THE CAR HAD ALREADY SPED BY HIS POSITION. THE DRIVER WAS EITHER UNAWARE OF, OR DISINTERESTED IN THE OP. HE WOULD HAVE CONTINUED ON HIS WAY, AND THE OP COULD HAVE CONTINUED ON HIS WALK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, WITH HIS DOG. THE OP'S ACTION WAS THE GAME CHANGER---AND IN ACTUALITY, THERE WAS NO REASON FOR IT. THE OP HAD NOT BEEN HIT, NOR NARROWLY MISSED BY THE CAR.....

IF THE WHACK JOB WAS FLEEING A CRIME SCENE, WHEREIN HE HAD COMMITTED A MURDER---HE COULD HAVE RETURNED WITH THE SOLE INTENTION OF KILLING THIS WITNESS, THAT COULD PLACE HIM IN THIS AREA AT THIS TIME.....

ADDING TO THE BODY COUNT IS NO BIGGIE, IF IT MEANS ESCAPING A LENGTHY JAIL SENTENCE......
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What would have been your option had he exited the vehicle?

Like a policeman friend of mine once said, “It’s all about how you write the report”.
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Agree though my 80# airedale is at risk if anyone breaks into my home. I doubt she backs down.
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Although I agree with the sentiment of not provoking, I am amazed at the chiding, you’ll shoot your eye out, walk away from bad-guys attitude?

Okay, great, glad y’all are good citizens that will watch, but not do. Not all of us are good at that. I’ve read the first page and imagine more on the second.
Imagine you’ll chastise me for “ being aggressive “. Sorry, I was taught that bad people don’t get a free ride. How to handle it is harder.
1. Take the persons plate and report it?
2. Ignore it?
3. Confront them?

Obviously #2 is what I’ve read so far.....
Your reading comorehension sucks then. Most are simpling saying dont turn a confrontation into a shooting. I always look at it as; would I step into this if I did NOT have a gun??? If the answer is no, then don't. I have gone out to move unwanted people along in my culdesac, I dont bring a gun. If I dont think I can handle it, I call the pd, but most of the time they wont bother.
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Although I agree with the sentiment of not provoking, I am amazed at the chiding, you’ll shoot your eye out, walk away from bad-guys attitude?

Okay, great, glad y’all are good citizens that will watch, but not do. Not all of us are good at that. I’ve read the first page and imagine more on the second.
Imagine you’ll chastise me for “ being aggressive “. Sorry, I was taught that bad people don’t get a free ride. How to handle it is harder.
1. Take the persons plate and report it?
2. Ignore it?
3. Confront them?

Obviously #2 is what I’ve read so far.....
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Your reading comorehension sucks then. Most are simpling saying dont turn a confrontation into a shooting. I always look at it as; would I step into this if I did NOT have a gun??? If the answer is no, then don't. I have gone out to move unwanted people along in my culdesac, I dont bring a gun. If I dont think I can handle it, I call the pd, but most of the time they wont bother.
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I spell and read just fine, thank you.

My point, was that everyone was saying, stay out of anybody’s business. I understand that and learned it a long time ago. But, what I guess I have trouble with is everyone piling on and saying to do nothing. Should he have shined his light? Probably not. But was it very aggressive or instinctual? After he did so, then the driver was being.... off. Obviously dangerous. Should he have run away?

I purposely try not to be confrontational. Y’all don’t know me, nor my background, but my god you guys are good at stating what shoulda been done. I offered three possibilities. I didn’t say I’d do any of the three?
The confront I suggested was, what was already stated.

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You never know who you're dealing with.

I was walking the fence at work one afternoon when I ran into a Black guy on a bike with dreads, wearing a Jets jersey and black knee length shorts heading west on a bicycle right outside the fence. Customer service being a prime component of my job I said hello. The guy came unglued. He jumped of the bike, he wanted to know why I was addressing him and he let me know that he didn't need me in his business. I apologized and told him I was just saying hello and have a nice day and walked away.

When I got back to the front gate my supervisor was locking the gate and she told me that we were on lock down because the ENT Federal Credit Union had been robbed and the robber was suspected to still be in the area. She described him as a young black guy with dreads, a green and white shirts and black shorts last seen heading West away from the bank.

True story. I had know idea who I was dealing with and "possibly armed bank robber" wasn't even a blip on the radar. Had the guy decided I was an inconvenient witness or trying to detain him I could have died without ever knowing why.

I've also had times where I've lit people up with a flashlight at work and it's almost never a non-confrontational event. If I run into a car parked outside the fence I have to light up the plate because I'm going to have to report it and you might as well tell the person you're calling the cops. It's an EXTREMELY PROVOCATIVE action and it usually provokes people. I'm pretty sure the OP knows that.

About a month ago I was walking around the fence an I came on a guy messing around in his car right next to the fence he turned on his dome light and he had paint all over his face. I didn't even ask what he was doing I asked if he was OK and could I help and what the hell happened to your face. He took off as soon as I mentioned the paint. I think he robbed someplace and got a dye pack. Again, you don't know who you're trifling with until you trifle with them.

This is why I don't so much as go to the mailbox unarmed and I Do. Not. Trifle. With. People. I. Don't. Know.
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I spell and read just fine, thank you.

My point, was that everyone was saying, stay out of anybody’s business. I understand that and learned it a long time ago. But, what I guess I have trouble with is everyone piling on and saying to do nothing. Should he have shined his light? Probably not. But was it very aggressive or instinctual? After he did so, then the driver was being.... off. Obviously dangerous. Should he have run away?

I purposely try not to be confrontational. Y’all don’t know me, nor my background, but my god you guys are good at stating what shoulda been done. I offered three possibilities. I didn’t say I’d do any of the three?
The confront I suggested was, what was already stated.

Jimmy Christmas you guys are touchy tonight!
No, that’s not the case at all.

Elm Creek is a good guy. Read many of his posts and normally I agree with him. But not in this case.

He will be the first to tell you that we here discuss things in a rational manner. Civil discourse is welcome and expected here. We express our feelings here whether we agree or not. Sometimes things get out of hand but the moderators do a good job.

He knew full well what to expect when he posted this thread for all to see. And he knew that many of us would not agree.

And he would probably be the first to tell you that he doesn’t need anybody sticking up for him.
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I've had to do similar thing as elm creek did. I love in a neighborhood with families walking their dogs and kids playing ball and older people crossing streets and any other situation that is common in neighborhoods. I don't need people driving recklessly through here and I have helped at people for doing so. So far the worst that has happened is they tell back of flip me off. I just take it in stride, I sort of expect it actually. I'm not sure what my response would be if someone told me they felt homicidal. Probably the first thing out of my mouth would be "don't you mean suicidal" then "have a nice evening and please slow down before you hurt someone", as I'm backing away.
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All I can say, is that I wasn't there and can only make general comments. I too would have probably shined my light to get the license plate. Now, I'm a bit on the cantankerous side and I know it. My main concern would probably be concern for my dog.

I probably would have told him his statement was unacceptable in public. I may have also asked him if he was going to be O.K. This since he mentioned how upset he was.

Since none of us was there, I guess everything turned out O.K. I do recommend you keep an eye on the news. Sometimes people do stupid, bad things when they're ticked off.
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In my world, the bad guys have been known to come back looking for me, more than a few times. As I spent most of my time mopping up under-age DUIs, it was often the dad who was mad because his insurance quadrupled over night. I learned to keep to myself when off duty. If a kid wants to crash out on a deserted road, less damage to the public.
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I seem to remember somebody doing a poll on the average age of forum members here and the average was in the late fifties early sixties.

I think a lot of people don't realize that the world we live in today is not the world that we grew up in. Greg Ellefritz wrote an article a couple years back about managing adolescents as unknown contacts. One of the things that he talked about was that when we were kids if an adult told you to do something you did it and the concept of en loco parentis was widely recognized. That world is gone.

I remember somebody on this forum that told me once that he had the authority as a solid upstanding citizen to call people into line if their behavior was unacceptable. The example that he used was a guy that was going through a box of holsters at an apparently unattended table at a gun show.

The fact is that in the 21st century people don't recognize that social convention and if you " call somebody into line" for their behavior they're liable to throw the whole damn box of holsters at you and dare you to do something about it. Now what?

Realistically most people aren't going to change their behavior because some random stranger told them to. Most people aren't going to alter their driving because you think they're going too fast. So if you're not going to accomplish anything anyway why interject yourself into it? If you think it's that bad call the police. Have a couple people beside you notify the police department of erratic driving in your neighborhood and ask for extra patrols but don't play self-appointed traffic police because it almost never ends well.
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You've gotta do what you think is right. Me? I've always been a firm believer in Murphy's Laws of War #15, "Anything you do can get you killed, including nothing." I've been out of the Army a long time, but I think that quote applies today. Yeah, it irks me when some knucklehead sails thru the stop sign on my corner. That said, these days when making eye contact can provoke a confrontation, tough as it is, I let it go. I'm too old to be duking it out with someone likely half my age, and if I snap a cap, the prospect of spending what's left of my life either in a jail cell or flat broke from court costs doesn't sound like any kind of alternative. MHO you understand.
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What would have been your option had he exited the vehicle?

Like a policeman friend of mine once said, “It’s all about how you write the report”.
He'd have left out key elements, such as displaying his revolver
while asking "do you want to be arrested."
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I was walking my dog Ben the other evening after 2200 when a sedan turned into my neighborhood at a speed sufficient to make me wonder if he was going to make it. The driver managed to recover enough to wildly accelerate past me since it's a small country neighborhood I "illuminated" the back of the car to get the license plate. I saw the brake lights come on as the car went around the next corner, heard the tires wail as it turned around, and saw the lights as it accelerated back my way. I moved with my dog behind one of my neighbors' massive brick mail structure (too small to be an edifice, too large to be a box) as the car slid to a stop in the street in front of me.

I told the driver, some cowboy-hatted kid in his late teens/early 20's, that he needed to slow down. His response was, "If you knew how homicidal I'm feeling tonight, you wouldn't be ****ing with me!"

I asked him if he wanted to go to jail, and he shouted, "What are you going to do? SHOOT ME? YOU'D BE DOING ME A FAVOR!"

I figured the poor soul was too overwrought for me to allow that was a possibility, so I calmly asked him again if he wanted to go to jail.

He started to rant again, and I released my grip on Ben's leash enough for him to lunge at the open window but not enough to actually get there. The young fellow's face paled somewhat as Ben, a 65 pound black lab mix who looks carved from obsidian, appeared a foot from his window leaning into his collar and whining with excitement. Notwithstanding that our conversation hadn't actually concluded, the poor soul abused his tires, clutch, and engine tearing out of the neighborhood.

Based on the young fellow's comment about "how homicidal" he was feeling, if he had gotten out of his car, what would be my options A) with Ben and B) without Ben? Bear in mind that I'm 66 years old, 5'8", 185 lbs, in relatively good health, almost retired from a high profile security job, and carrying a 4 inch S&W Model 65-1 loaded with Speer 145 grain "Short Barrel" .357 Magnum ammo in a Bianchi #5BHL?

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I’ll jump in before the lock. Here’s my take. I’m not as mortified as others by your OP. To me the way you wrote the OP, it seemed like you tried to mix fact and hyperbole to be funny, but it didn’t come across as humorous as you thought it might.

Your lab “leaning into his collar whinning with excitement” is a lot different than than having a snarling 120# dog on the end of the leash. For me (I have a large dog) I’d be more inclined to pull the dog behind me to keep him out of trouble.

Where you calmly asked “do you want to go to jail,” it would probably be better if you asked “are you OK.” Less inflamatory. If the guy was a total sociopath with warrants, that may have sent him over the top.

Letting him know you have a gun takes away the element of surprise if he did attack and might be considered brandishing some places (from what I understand).

But in the OP, you didn’t ask about any of that. You asked what you should do if he got out of the car - with and without your dog. It sorta depends on how he gets out of the car, doesn’t it?

If he comes out angry, yelling but not attacking, you pull the dog behind you, establish a fence and try to de-escallate. IMO, asking him about “wanting to go to jail” hurts your chances with de-escalation.

If he comes out swinging (or worse), let the dog go so you don’t get entangled in the leash and defend yourself appropriate to the level of attack and your abilities. Do you carry something like pepper spray so you have a less lethal option?

Even though it may not have played out like you thought, I think it’s good you posted it. It’s a good “what would I do if...” scenario.
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...dude was 'huffing' the propellant from a spray paint can.

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About a month ago I was walking around the fence an I came on a guy messing around in his car right next to the fence he turned on his dome light and he had paint all over his face. I didn't even ask what he was doing I asked if he was OK and could I help and what the hell happened to your face. He took off as soon as I mentioned the paint. I think he robbed someplace and got a dye pack. Again, you don't know who you're trifling with until you trifle with them.

This is why I don't so much as go to the mailbox unarmed and I Do. Not. Trifle. With. People. I. Don't. Know.
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