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26-year-old man killed in Chicago drive-by shooting - Video | WFLD

I've met enough medical personnel who have adopted CC since it was authorized to believe that they constitute a larger than average of CCL holders.

We also had a woman carjacked on Lake Shore Drive by two men bleeding from gunshot wounds.

So far this week: 63 shot, 56 wounded, 8 total homicides, but the weekend is young.
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So much for extra-tough gun laws.
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[QUOTE=Rastoff;140169230]It's safer in Afghanistan.[/QUOTE??]

That is so bogus .. when was the last IED in Chicago or the last bombing run by the USAF there ?? or the last missile attack ??
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That is so bogus .. when was the last IED in Chicago or the last bombing run by the USAF there ?? or the last missile attack ??
Not really. Gunshot KIAs in Chicago greatly exceeded same
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That is so bogus .. when was the last IED in Chicago or the last bombing run by the USAF there ?? or the last missile attack ??
Relax, it's metaphorical.
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2,258 civilian casualties in Afghanistan during the first quarter of this year .. Chicago doesn't come close ..
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2,258 civilian casualties in Afghanistan during the first quarter of this year .. Chicago doesn't come close ..
Spin it however ya like...

As of April 24, 2017 there have been 992 shootings. From January of 2001 to September of 2016, Chicago experienced nearly 8,000 murders murders. As a measure of comparison, the number of Americans killed in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq was 2,384 and 4,504 respectively since 2001.

Murders in Chicago Top American Servicemen Killed in Iraq and Afghanistan Combined - OpsLens

There were 664 homicides in Chicago in 2017 and, for comparison, 37 casualties in the U.S. military in its myriad operations around the globe. That's according to data from the Chicago Tribune and from the Department of Defense's press office... From the data available, it shows that Chicago suffered 17.9 times more homicides than the U.S. military worldwide -- combat and non-combat related deaths -- last year...

For Chicago, 664 homicides -- murders by shooting or other means (not including suicides) -- averages to 1.8 homicides every day of the year.


2017: Chicago Homicides Outnumber U.S. Military Casualties 18 to 1

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Afghanistan".
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I did not find the slightest thing amusing about the crime statistics in Chicago as outlined on the sight. I was astounded.
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I did not find the slightest thing amusing about the crime statistics in Chicago as outlined on the sight. I was astounded.
When I looked, all that showed was "this domain is
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The site is heyjackass.com.

My favorite stat is the Shot-in-the-junk-ometer.
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Chicago has becomes a perverse example of natural selection in the (urban) jungle.
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Spin it however ya like...

As of April 24, 2017 there have been 992 shootings. From January of 2001 to September of 2016, Chicago experienced nearly 8,000 murders murders. As a measure of comparison, the number of Americans killed in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq was 2,384 and 4,504 respectively since 2001.
For your comparison to be accurate, you need to compare US Military deaths in Afghanistan to police officer deaths in Chicago. After all, they're there for essentially the same purpose. Or you need to compare civilian deaths in Afghanistan to civilian deaths in Chicago . . .
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For your comparison to be accurate, you need to compare US Military deaths in Afghanistan to police officer deaths in Chicago. After all, they're there for essentially the same purpose. Or you need to compare civilian deaths in Afghanistan to civilian deaths in Chicago...
I have a better idea.

Just stop with the meaningless comparisons, period.

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For your comparison to be accurate, you need to compare US Military deaths in Afghanistan to police officer deaths in Chicago. After all, they're there for essentially the same purpose. Or you need to compare civilian deaths in Afghanistan to civilian deaths in Chicago . . .
I'm not making a comparison, I'm showing the death counts.

They're all Americans. Way too many Americans are killed in
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I live in a small rural county and the sheriff deputy said he felt safer in the military in Afghanistan and Iraq than he does doing his job in this little country setting county. He was wearing a vest under his shirt.

Some day people will wake up to the fact that gun laws don't make criminals obey the laws. Yeah those gun free zone signs and laws seem to get people killed/shot rather than protected from criminals with guns.

If I can abstain from using a gun free business I will. I feel much more safe when I can carry a gun on me. I just don't understand a business not understanding posting his business gun free is the same as saying come rob me because you are likely to get my money rather than get shot.

I know neighborhood gangs are not the only criminal aspect of Chicago. It is very high in organized crime. Those in organized crime don't want the average citizen having guns. I guess they don't like the thought of citizens shooting back.

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I find it hard to have pity or to care about deaths in Chicago. They all choose to live there. There isn't one person in Chicago who is being held there against their will. They are living their chosen lifestyle, good for them.
While most of us sit here and express how scary and dangerous their situation is, keep in mind many of the people who live there are in their comfort zone, it's what they know and it's what they are comfortable with. Take them out of the scary urban environment and drop them on the Appalachian Trail on in a state forest and they would immediately go into a panic (I'm not exaggerating, I've seen it).
Let them lead the life they choose and be happy for them.

Now I know someone is going to pop in and say "these people can't afford to leave Chicago". Guess what, most don't have jobs holding them there and the rent is higher in Chicago than in many rural areas. They could live cheaper and have more job opportunities outside of the city, they just choose not to.

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The only difference here is that this shooting happened in Chicago instead of some other American town.

It happens multiple times every day in this country.

Nothing else to see here.
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I think we are talking American casualties.
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I think we are talking American casualties.
That wasn't my quote.

Some apparently feel "non-uniformed" American casualties
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done so."

We've got a lot of bad stuff going on, besides Chicago. The
deaths from opioid overdose is another troubling trend.
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...and far worse than gun fatalities in Chicago or any other city in the US.
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I think we are talking American casualties.
I thought we were talking about which city/country was more dangerous . . .
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It's ok, don't sweat it.
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I've met enough medical personnel who have adopted CC since it was authorized to believe that they constitute a larger than average of CCL holders.

We also had a woman carjacked on Lake Shore Drive by two men bleeding from gunshot wounds.

So far this week: 63 shot, 56 wounded, 8 total homicides, but the weekend is young.
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ANNUAL FBI STATS SHOW REPEATEDLY, THAT THE JURISDICTIONS--LIKE CHICAGO--WITH THE MOST STRINGENT GUN LAWS, HAVE THE HIGHEST RATES OF HOMICIDE, AND OTHER VIOLENT CRIMES........
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ANNUAL FBI STATS SHOW REPEATEDLY, THAT THE JURISDICTIONS--LIKE CHICAGO--WITH THE MOST STRINGENT GUN LAWS, HAVE THE HIGHEST RATES OF HOMICIDE, AND OTHER VIOLENT CRIMES........
We keep hearing this, but it's simply not true. There may be a correlation, but it's not nearly as simple as you state.

For example, here are the violent crime rates per 100,000 people as reported by the FBI in 2016 (the newest data I could find quickly) for Illinois and Alaska:
Alaska 804.2
Illinois 436.3

If you want to look at it by city:
Anchorage 1,114.9
Chicago 443.0

Alaska is arguably the least restrictive when it comes to gun laws and Chicago is the most. Yet, when we look at the actual numbers, Alaska is far more dangerous and violent. So, no, just having restrictive gun laws doesn't mean a higher violent crime rate.

What's more important to us as gun owners is, are gun laws reducing crime? The answer to that is no.

When you look at the change from 2015 to 2016, we find:
Alaska 10.0% increase
Illinois 12.6% increase

So here we can see that gun laws are doing nothing to reduce crime when these two states are compared.
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