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So we went from cheap truck gun to 500 dollar center console safe. Now we don’t even have a gun yet. Lol
Well, actually $250, but your point is well made . Lots of people would rather buy another gun, ammo, etc. than money to secure the gun. I get it, but that also ads to the number of easily stolen guns. That's one reason why those $20 cabled clam-shell safes are so popular, even if they only provide an illusion of security.
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I WOULD CONSIDER A USED MOSSBERG 12 GA PUMP, WHICH ARE READILY AVAILABLE--ALONG WITH A VARIETY OF USED BARRELS--FOR REAL CHEAP MONEY. THESE ARE ROBUST AND RELIABLE GUNS.....

IF YOU ARE WILLING TO SPEND A BIT MORE. YOU CAN PURCHASE A BRAND NEW MOSSBERG MAVERICK 88, 12GA PUMP FOR LESS THAN $200. THIS WEAPON IS VERY VERSATILE. AND IT IS MARKETED AS AN AND IS BILLED AS AN "ALL PURPOSE" SHOTGUN......
This served as my Truck/Trunk gun for about 6 months while the Trevon Martin thing worked itself out. In a shot-lok of course attached to my tailgate. Those of you in Atlanta when the Rodney King incident happened/aftermath of the court case will certainly understand.. Now its a CZ "P-01" with (3) 15 round magazines and Federal HST's, "aforementioned pic in above post".. and a "J" frame with full wadcutter Hard Cast from Buffalo Bore on any given weekday.


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Lots of options in a truck SUV as there is more room to begin with. Part of his reason to put it in the trunk was no room in the cab for a similar 7GA thick steel box.

MOAR pics of this "7Gauge Steel" War-Box you speak of please! Nice set-up broseph!
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Already a lot of good info.

In the early 90's I use to use a Rock-ola M1 Carbine (before the prices went-up) locked in a trunk. I had it mounted to the side of a speaker box and draped a sheet to hang over it. Couldn't even tell it was there when the trunk was open.

After that, I went to a Mini-14 lock in a hard case and pad locked into my truck bed.

Than it was a Remington 870 (these are only around $200-$250 used) under my rear fold-up truck seat and cable locked through the receiver & frame of my seat. I felt it was more of a utility weapon, as I had bird, 00, & slugs for it. You could hunt with it or use it as a short range rifle if need be.

Now I just use whatever is on my hip (Glock). I'm in and out of my truck & wife's car too much to have a dedicated weapon in there. Plus like many have mentioned, I don't like the idea of it getting stolen. I do have a lock box in each car that is cabled locked to the seat frame. This is only when I can't carry somewhere (which is rare).

But I would say pump shotgun or used Glock. Some of these old long barreled bird hunting shotguns can be had for under $200. A quick hack saw job will get you to just over 18" and a good self defense weapon.
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An AR pistol makes a good truck gun. I have a 10.5" barrel with a brace. It's offers more accuracy and firepower than traditional handguns, but is still smaller than a traditional AR carbine.
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MOAR pics of this "7Gauge Steel" War-Box you speak of please! Nice set-up broseph!
War-Box? Ha-Ha, I like that. It is built like a tank. Just google FAS1 safe and you should find plenty.
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Right now my pp is a Redhawk in 41 mag. If I had to choose a truck gun it’s my Russian Izmash saige 16” barrel in 223. She runs ammo like the energizer bunny. I pity the fool.

I switched from one pain doctor because of the people in the waiting room looked a tad loony. Strung out.

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Will the "Truck" be used in Bear or Cougar Country??


Many many, ballistic options to consider.
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An AR pistol makes a good truck gun. I have a 10.5" barrel with a brace. It's offers more accuracy and firepower than traditional handguns, but is still smaller than a traditional AR carbine.
An AR pistol is a little too "Heat" tacticooool for me....... for me a 'Truck gun" is a long gun that can handle somethings that your concealed Carry handgun can't.... for me that would be a shotgun or something like the Ruger American Ranch rifle a bolt action .223 or 7.62x39

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Pistols should be worn on the body. A "truck gun" should be a long gun. My preference is an AR but anything you're comfortable with that provides more performance then your handgun is good to go.
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Truck gun threads are as much fun as open carry or bear gun threads.Where is the popcorn? LOL
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Sidebar from the OP seeking a weapon/caliber for barrier penetration such as car doors and windshields and soft targets at 10+ yards. There have been suggestions for burly hand cannons, AR, AK, shotguns, etc. as "truck" guns. But what about the effect of muzzle blast, flash, concussion, and recoil when firing from _inside_ the vehicle? Just a thought here, and especially for the young lady who works the night shift at the hospital: Why not a simple .22 revolver? They are plentiful and cheap, easy to operate (point and click), and not devastating to the senses when fired from inside a vehicle. As for storage, a lockable glove compartment or center console would suffice, or lock it in the trunk if necessary. Simple, cheap.
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I get that there are times when we don't have a choice and we have to leave a gun in our car while we go into an NPE (hopefully you lock the gun in a lock box) but storing your gun long-term in a car is asking for it to get stolen.

I read something from Cornered Cat last week. She was talking about the dichotomy between thinking that your house is so secure that you can leave guns randomly stashed through out the house BUT but it's so unsecure that you won't have time to retrieve the gun from a fast access safe if somebody tries to break in.

This is the same dichotomy. If your world is so dangerous that you need a backup gun or rifle and extra ammunition and a plate carrier in your car then it's way too dangerous to be leaving that stuff in there unsecured.

I have yet to hear a reputable trainer (James Yeager doesn't count) advocate long term storage of a gun in your car. In fact most of them warn against it.

Criminals do criminal things. It's what they do, that's why we have locks on our doors. That's why we keep our guns in safes (when they're not in use) and that's why we don't do stupid things and make it easy for criminals to get guns.
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I have my 38-3 with me always, no truck/trunk guns. I do have a full tank of gas and keep my right foot ready to mash down on the accelerator if need be.
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I keep my bear gun in my truck 24/7....cause ya never can tell.


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Unless someone is shooting at you from inside a car or using the car as a weapon then you have no need to be wanting to shoot through a car door. I would be willing to bet you will end up in jail for a long time.

Sometimes I went into somewhere I couldn't be carrying I had pushed my gun under the seat. I get home and forget to get the gun then I realize it I go out and get it. I don't ever like leaving a gun in my car. A thief just might find it and use it on me.

As far as carrying a rifle in my truck I decline doing that. In a bad situation I would possibly be dead before I could get to the rifle to protect myself. Perhaps a 8-10" barreled revolver large caliber might be considered but then again I would not feel safe leaving it in my truck at anytime and concealing on myself a long barrel handgun when I go into a store isn't easy.

I would think a 357 0r 44 magnum revolver should be able to do whatever you are wanting a gun to do. Don't expect to be able to hear much if you fire one of those off while in a car. Well about any gun for that matter.
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Lots of options in a truck SUV as there is more room to begin with. Part of his reason to put it in the trunk was no room in the cab for a similar 7GA thick steel box.


Do you have a flow chart on what action to do first?


Freshen your breath
Break the Window
Spray with Pepper spray and then write a note with the pen (or is that a Tactical Pen)?

Finally check tire pressure before driving on?


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Do you have a flow chart on what action to do first?


Freshen your breath
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Spray with Pepper spray and then write a note with the pen (or is that a Tactical Pen)?

Finally check tire pressure before driving on?


lol, It's a 3 step process:

1) enter combination
2) turn knob clockwise
3) retrieve gun

After that there are too many variables.



Actually, it's a customers 2017 Raptor, Project Thor. You should see what's under the rear seat.

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It gets so hot here in Arizona I don't leave anything in my truck, Jeep or car. Cell phones overheat, my ice skates get soft, and I'm sure a gun would give me 2nd degree burns if I tried pulling it out of my 140 degree car. I did burn my hands on my model 36 back strap a few summers ago, and that was just a little while in the sun.
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Personally, I don't see the need for a long gun. As I understand it, any situation where I am shooting thru a car door is also a situation where I am probably crossing the line from self defense to illegal aggression. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

A terror attack might be one time where it would be good to have a long gun, but I personally would not consider it a truck gun but a backpack gun (not legal everywhere for sure). I personally would get a pistol caliber AR pistol with a brace, or possibly one of the break apart Kel Tec carbines that uses Glock mags (especially if I was a Glock guy) because they are even smaller than an AR when broken apart. Then the backpack goes with you, especially at night or over long stretches of time, or otherwise is stowed in the trunk or behind the seat of a truck.

That's probably what I would recommend to the X-ray tech as well, though with her I'd recommend a pistol in her bag. No one will ever see it if stowed correctly, and that way it doesn't live in the car. It can also be a real gun like a full size M&P since she doesn't have to conceal it on her person. Heck, for $20 Walmart sells a single strap backpack in the gun section with a zippered pouch on the back that is the perfect size for a handgun. I have one and use it frequently, sometimes with a gun in that pouch. If I was her I'd put it a Remora just to guard the trigger, and I'd consider a gun with a safety or a DA/SA.
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lol, It's a 3 step process:

1) enter combination
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After that there are too many variables.



Actually, it's a customers 2017 Raptor, Project Thor. You should see what's under the rear seat.

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Now that's a TRUCK!!

I want one, but a few dollars short!



I don't have an account but can view the pictures, With a truck like that there is no need for any firearms!
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lol, It's a 3 step process:

1) enter combination
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After that there are too many variables.



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Looks like you'd have to draw the pistol backwards
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Looks like you'd have to draw the pistol backwards
I would agree, unless you are a Southpaw

He actually prefers to draw the gun left handed. Since he bought his safe there is a newer model out that if mounted with the hinge forward, the gun is presented correctly for a right handed shooter. The door also open 90 degrees.

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"Need a gun to be a dedicated truck gun."

Big difference between "need" and "want". The gentleman who stopped the mass shooter in Sutherland Springs "need"ed his AR; unless your threat level is very high you probably "want" one.

"Want it "big" enough to penetrate car doors...accurate enough for 25 yard+ shots...want it to be somewhat of a "throw away" since, if I ever have to use it, I will probably lose it to the Police, OR, if its stolen, I won(')t be out $3000."

All sorts of good suggestions above. Engaging assailants at 25 yards and shooting through car doors would be 0.001% self-defense incidents. Carry, practice and 'train' with a .357 or 9 mm, or have a 12 or 20 gauge pump shotgun handy, all well within the $400 price range. Hide and secure the long gun...securely.

"(A)m I just being paranoid?"

You have to make that call. If the paranoia is justified, a change of lifestyle (residence, vocation) may be better in the long term than arming yourself to the teeth.

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Where I come from,
Folks still carry a rifle or shotgun in their pickups.


As far as securing my firearms,
I don't leave my rifle in a saddle scabbard,
nor in my pickup when not in use.

Life On The Rural Route.


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I carry a Model 60 most everywhere I go. Truck gun is something that I toss into the ranch truck on those occasions when I feed or check windmills for my S-I-L and Daughter on their working cattle ranch. For that kind of duty, a Mini-14 (five shot magazine is usually enough) or a .30-30 carbine are hard to beat.

My usual quary are coyotes, hogs, porcupine, or potentially a cougar, though they are secretive and rarely seen, even though they are there.

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I refuse to accept responsibility for the criminal acts of others. I always take reasonable precautions with firearms (if left in a vehicle they are out of sight and the vehicle is locked, if left at home the home is securely locked). If someone breaks into my home or my vehicle and steals my property the responsibility lies solely with that person, not me.

Safes are a good idea, but not all safes are equal, and no safe is secure against a determined and knowledgeable thief. Lock boxes in vehicles are a good idea, but none exist that can't be defeated.

The moment we accept the premise that the victim is responsible for the acts of the criminal we step into the trap laid for us by the gun control crowd. Blanket assertions such as "never leave a firearm in a vehicle", "you should have a safe", "you should have had a better safe", "never keep a firearm loaded", and so forth do nothing but establish a means for punishing an innocent victim for the acts committed by a criminal, just like the gun-grabbers want. The next logical steps are punishing the dealer who sold the gun, and the manufacturer who made the gun, for allowing it to fall into the hands of such an irresponsible person who allowed it to be stolen by a criminal.

I have good doors, locks, and windows, but I don't live in a bank vault. I have good vehicles with good locks and intrusion alarms, but I don't drive a Brinks armored car. I just live my life in a peaceful and lawful manner and go about my business in a responsible and peaceful manner, all while keeping the necessary means of self-defense close at hand.

The last burglary of my home (9 years ago) resulted in the theft of two handguns. Entry was gained by forcing a deadbolt-secured steel door into my garage, then sledge hammering the deadbolt-secured steel door from garage to living area. All of this took place in broad daylight on a weekday morning while the house was unattended for less than an hour. My gun safe was untouched; only the two pistols kept out for defensive use were stolen. I built that house; the solid steel doors were secured by double-cylinder deadbolt locks, and both the casings and lock strike plates were installed with 3" steel screws into the wall framing. I believe that I took reasonable measures to secure that home against intrusion, and I refuse to accept responsibility for the person(s) who applied destructive force to gain entry, or for any use of those pistols after they were removed from my lawful control.

As for truck guns or car guns, I seldom carry anything daily. But when going on a trip I like to take a spare handgun and either a 12-ga. Remington 870 (21" barrel) or a M1 Carbine. These are stored out of sight inside a securely locked vehicle with intrusion alarm. These are the same guns (or same type) that I carried in a locked patrol car for decades, so I am thoroughly familiar with every feature.

By the way, law enforcement agencies (including FBI) have reported many, many, many thefts of weapons (including fully automatic arms) from their vehicles, offices, and individual officers' homes. As recently as last year there was a local incident involving a US Government M16 rifle, on permanent loan to a nearby police department, going missing and later turning up in a drug raid. Who is responsible? Individual officer assigned the weapon? Department head authorizing issue? US Department of Defense for providing the rifle? Manufacturer of the rifle?

No. Only the criminal is responsible for his crimes.
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I doubt that is true today with the number of police being ambushed in recent years. This article is just a small sampling, but probably similar numbers in all big cities.



Analysis: Lost, stolen guns used in thousands of crimes | The Seattle Times
The following was taken from a news story with similar stats. I think that this is really what the gun grabbers want: “There ought to be some obligation in the law for gun owners to responsibly secure their firearms,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat. “Congress should not only be looking at this issue, they ought to be acting on this issue.” Is it not enough to lock your vehicle and have an alarm? According to some, the answer is no. No offense, but you have a financial interest in getting the public to buy more devices to secure firearms. At what point should a victim of a gun theft be considered "liable" for not having their gun properly secured? Every device can be defeated, given adequate time and tools.
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The following was taken from a news story with similar stats. I think that this is really what the gun grabbers want: “There ought to be some obligation in the law for gun owners to responsibly secure their firearms,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat. “Congress should not only be looking at this issue, they ought to be acting on this issue.” Is it not enough to lock your vehicle and have an alarm? According to some, the answer is no. No offense, but you have a financial interest in getting the public to buy more devices to secure firearms. At what point should a victim of a gun theft be considered "liable" for not having their gun properly secured? Every device can be defeated, given adequate time and tools.
Well, I never said that anyone is to be held responsible other than the thief. If you know anything about me, I have never and will never be for mandating firearm storage laws in your home or in your vehicle.

I also believe in making it as hard as I can for a thief in particular, hoping he gives up and just takes my TV to support his crack habit. Personally, I don't even leave my Oakley sunglasses in my vehicle over night so there is nothing to really steal in my vehicles.

I do believe that we all do a lot of different things to protect ourselves and property whether mandated or not.

Insurance for the uninsured in case needed in a crash that's not your fault.
Vehicle theft insurance in case someone steals your car.
Homeowners insurance to protect valuables.
An alarm system.
Cameras.
Dogs that bark.
Safes, locks, etc.
Higher interest charges to cover costs of theft with credit cards.

Everyone can do whatever they feel is needed to supplement the their own security or security of their stuff.
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I understand wanting a truck gun, I don't get wanting something inexpensive because of fear of losing it if you have to use it? In that circumstance, I want the best firearm possible to protect me and my family which is far more valuable than a gun, this is the reason I only buy high quality guns to carry.
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Lots of thoughtful information here. I’m in the camp of those who feel they are not responsible for a criminal’s actions. I keep a truck gun....in my truck. It is well hidden, in an under seat compartment. I keep my truck locked at all times and remove it for safekeeping, when I feel appropriate. My truck gun is a Remington 870 with barrel cut to 20” and Poly-choke installed.
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My suggestion would be a pistol variant of either an AR or an AK chambered in a rifle caliber.
I would choose a pistol variant because the laws concerning carrying a loaded rifle are kind of weird around here. Either one (AR of AK) would be reliable and have a relatively high capacity compared to a handgun.
Even a pistol variant of one of those rifle platforms would be as or more accurate than most handguns at.moderate distances and much more effective through a car door of glass.
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I understand wanting a truck gun, I don't get wanting something inexpensive because of fear of losing it if you have to use it? In that circumstance, I want the best firearm possible to protect me and my family which is far more valuable than a gun, this is the reason I only buy high quality guns to carry.
I think you're missing the point.

I have a very nice Kimber 1911. That's not a truck gun. My well used Gen 2 Glock 21 would be the truck gun. Both rock solid reliable, the G21 maybe even more so. I don't want the Kimber banging off of the seat frame or springs when it gets tossed under the seat or vibrating up against the 3 in 1 screwdriver or flashlight when tossed in the door pocket.

I have a Springfield Micro 45 1911, beautiful 2 tone finish and beautifully grained wood. I also have an Armscor Officers Model 1911. It has a parkerised looking matte finish with rubber grip panels. Both are reliable. In well over 500 rounds the Armscor has never malfunctioned in any way. Which one gets tossed under the seat or in the door pocket?

Which do you think used to ride in the truck window gun racks? Do you think it was the $3K Italian or the beat up 870. The 10-22 or the Anshutz? The Glenfield 30-30 that's taken uncounted deer or ..... well you get the idea.

Now I would like to get a locking setup for under my rear truck seat to host an AR, but that's kinda different in my book. However, it will be a reasonably priced Smith, Ruger or the sort and not some 3K M1A SOCOM.
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Some of you believe a gun should never be left in a vehicle.
Some of you believe a gun should never be left in a vehicle unless it can't be avoided for a short stop.

Some of you believe it is OK to leave a gun in a car.


Pick the one you like, and understand you probably won't be able to make others think like you.
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After spending 40+ years in law enforcement, and working countless crime scenes, I've always wondered why anyone would keep or leave a loaded firearm in their vehicle. Interesting thought......your "throw away truck gun" being stolen from your vehicle and subsequently being used to harm you or your family, neighbor, or police officer.
Or maybe the neighbor kid finds it and either shoots himself or another child .. maybe one of your children .. or is stolen and used to kill someone else .. maybe in a robbery ..

No .. I don't believe in a truck gun either pistol or long gun !!

My pistol stays on my person till I go to bed at night and then it is at less then an arms length away on my bedside table .. when my feet hit the floor with my pants on in the morning it again resides at 4:30 IWB ..
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After spending 40+ years in law enforcement, and working countless crime scenes, I've always wondered why anyone would keep or leave a loaded firearm in their vehicle. Interesting thought......your "throw away truck gun" being stolen from your vehicle and subsequently being used to harm you or your family, neighbor, or police officer.
40 years of law enforcement, you've probably never had an employer who wouldn't allow firearms in their building or while on the c!ock. 40 years of law enforcement you've probably never gone into a mall, a theater, restaurant or hospital that didn't allow you to be armed. It's a different world for cops. Most of us "regular Joes" can't just carry everywhere we go so the options are !eave it at home, lock it in the car or take it in someplace you aren't supposed to take it.

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Some of you believe a gun should never be left in a vehicle.
Some of you believe a gun should never be left in a vehicle unless it can't be avoided for a short stop.

Some of you believe it is OK to leave a gun in a car.


Pick the one you like, and understand you probably won't be able to make others think like you.

Apparently, I used too many big words in Post #85.

We're done here.
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