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Old 09-22-2018, 11:18 AM
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Watch for this to be plead out.......

There's been folks shot/killed over less.

I've work a few shootings....where one or two of the party were shot on a mattress.


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Scoff at the idea of common law marriage all you want, but when the time comes to split the sheets you may find that a divorce action is just as tiresome and expensive as if you stood before a preacher to say your "I do".

Buddy of mine went through a divorce several years ago involving a common law wife (no marriage license, no ceremony, just several years of living together and referring to each other publicly as "husband" and "wife"). He had to refinance the house to pay her half the equity, pay off her car loan and credit card bills, two years of spousal maintenance (used to be called alimony), then he found out about a couple of judgements for medical expenses which just about wiped him out.

Common law marriage is very real. Common law divorce does not exist. If you doubt it at all you may just be the one who gets truly screwed.

But I am not a lawyer, and you should not get your legal advice from internet forums. Before you invite someone to cohabitate with you it might be a good idea to consult with a real lawyer.
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....but anyone should consult a local local lawyer. Besides laws varying wildly from state to state, they are in a constant state of flux. Not only that, but a lawyer that is versed in the special area of the law. I saw where states have changed the laws as recently back in the 1980s.

I messed up one time with a lawyer who helped me get my disability take on another claim of mine after I asked for advise on who to consult for that problem and he said he'd take care of it. He is a GREAT Social Securty disabilities lawyer, but he didn't understand situations that were truly adversarial and my case ended up getting thrown out because of that. I reluctantly had to sue him and collect my due benefits from his malpractice insurance rather than the company that tried to put the screws to me. This period in my life wasn't good memories. So yeah, make sure your lawyer has knowledge of the area of law that you need.

PS Had a lawyer that specialized in nothing but adoptions. That was a GREAT experience. In a few months we had a baby and after the time the law requires we had us a baby boy permanently. It's kind funny, too, in that we only owed for the investigation to make sure we had clean closets and some other fees totaling several thousand dollars. The lawyer said that it was the cheapest adoption he ever saw.
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This would never happen to me. Unless I'm at the beach or pool I avoid guys with no shirts on. Only thing that makes me more nervous is seeing some guy outside in a robe.
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This kind of shoot bothers me because it paints all armed citizens in a poor light.
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I'll make myself unpopular at this point and state I have similar concerns about some law enforcement officer involved shootings.
Poor light is an understatement. Looking at it strictly from the "I'm retired, so I don't have to be PC any more" point of view, those fellers are probably as much brothers as they are father and son, if ya git my drift.

As for the cops, I think you make a good point, but not for the reasons you might think.
If anything, police training these days is going the other way, discouraging firearm use as much as possible. There's a heavy emphasis on de-escalation. It's almost to the point of "avoid shooting anyone, ever." The result seems to be (IMHO) that officers run out of less- or non-lethal options and end up shooting out of fear or exasperation when all the nice-words B$ they were taught at the academy doesn't seem to work. And sure enough, dam near every shoot is made to look controversial, if for no other reason than it wasn't PC.
I don't have solutions, but I will say it's going to get worse before it gets better.
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This was all over the 'net yesterday - the dead guy's FB page was sure interesting and would be the sort of thing that defense counsel would enjoy discussing with the prosecution:


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Aaron Howard - So this afternoon Right as I wake up and... | Facebook

THIS IS THE SORT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN WHEN 2 GROUPS OF DYSFUNCTIONAL PEOPLE, LIVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY WITH EACH OTHER.....

I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING IN THE FILM, THAT WOULD WARRANT THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE......

MY GUESS IS THAT THE SHOOTERS WILL BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME...
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According to NBC, an hour ago, both shooters have been rearrested, their bails raised to $250k each and are charged with 1st degree murder.
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I think this is the guy that got shot.

Aaron Kristopher Howard of Abilene, TX, arrests, mugshots, charges and convictions | Arrest Facts

and the girlfriend shooting the video.

Kara Wyn Box of Abilene, TX, arrests, mugshots, charges and convictions | Arrest Facts

Not that it's relevant to what happened other than their character, but they sure were in trouble a lot.
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You can't fix stupid. Stupid all the way around. Sad.
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I asked a lawyer what is the time limit before you are considered common law married. He said their is not time placed on it. He said the shortest time on record was a man took a woman to a motel and he registered husband and wife. She sued him for divorce the next Monday.

If you two share a bank account. State you are married or she takes your last name. Have joint property. Then you are considered married. In Texas I don't think there even is common law marriage now. You fit the description of being married then you are married with or without a wedding license or certificate.

You would be amazed how many older single women coming up on being forced to retire are looking for a man with a house to get married to or live together. She can't afford the expense of an apartment on only her SS check. He croaks she possibly gets the house. I know that seems cold but it is the cold hard facts.
Off topic: CA does not recognize common law marriage. It does recognize, sanction, and encourage family destruction in deference to divorce lawyers.

CA is the example liberalism in pursuit of moral decay.
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The way things are in this country now, soon as they get their legal troubles behind them, the Millers will get their own reality TV show. I hear they've already been in talks with the people who produced that show about those duck people out there in Louisiana.

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Tragic but as they say, "You Cant Fix Stupid".
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Early in my LE career, I was in a class on forensics. A noted pathologist stated that people tend to die the same way they live. During my career, I saw that prophecy fullfilled numerous times.

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Oh, God. That means I'm going to die in the most boring way possible.
I wonder what that would be?
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That nails it. The world has gone to hell.
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From the info available I don’t see justifiable (sic) use of deadly force.
The orange shirted guy was definitely the aggressor and 6" taller. Based on the video, I think he rushed the guy who shot him.
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IMHO the only thing the father and son did wrong was use guns instead of grenades. Pulling the pins and letting the spoons flip on a couple of M76s would have been the perfect solution to the whole thing.

If brains were money and it cost a $1 to go around the world none of them could have got out of sight.
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Trash-talking trash killing trash-talking trash over innocent trash....

*SIGH*

Just when I think the bottom has been reached, this.....
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I read the publicly available media report. My opinion is the mattress was the trigger for the incident, not the item for which the confrontation occurred. No one will turn out to be a “winner” in the end.
From what I read the mattress was put in a dumpster, the shooters removed it several times. Finally when the deceased went to put it back in the shooters confronted the deceased with firearms, before any words exchanged. Deceased was given ball bat by a relative AFTER confronted by men with firearms. Note don't bring a bat to a gun fight.

All people lost in this tragedy, all culpable. But it is completely out of bounds to confront a neighbor with guns over trash. I sincerely hope they are convicted. I do not want them to be the poster boys for self defense, as it was not. No matter how loony the deceased was they instigated the confrontation.
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According to NBC, an hour ago, both shooters have been rearrested, their bails raised to $250k each and are charged with 1st degree murder.


That’s correct, once the judge saw the video.

From what I read in the paper today, the shooters were out to provoke him into a confrontation so they could shoot him.

They’re sitting in jail.
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Personally I think we’ve wore this subject out. I’m tired of hearing about stupid people.
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Wow on the re-arrest. Someone’s been turned in for “bragging”. Vicious Animals.
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Trash-talking trash killing trash-talking trash over innocent trash....

*SIGH*

Just when I think the bottom has been reached, this.....
Every year, the bottom gets lower and lower.
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As Don Imus used to say, "You can't make this stuff up." Watched the vid, half expecting it to wind up being a reality show bit. Wish it was. The shooters pushed all the right buttons to wind this guy up. No matter how big a body waste orifice the victim might've been, it wasn't up to the shooters to decide things.
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If'n this one makes it to trial.......before a jury of their peers

Think about it for a short minute.


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Think about it for a short minute.
The mind boggles.
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Think about it for a short minute.


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Would their peers all be sitting sweaty and shirtless in the jury box. Pointing pistols at each other because their jury notes encroached on each others “territory.”
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Jury Nullification ? ? ?

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We had a lady here get psychotically upset (no attack) that her neighbor threw dog poo in a baggy in her trash out on the curb ready to be picked up instead of the neighbor's own trash. Evidently, some lives are so purposeless and petty that keeping score and reacting to meaningless events takes over? Maybe, I need body armor for walking the dog?
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We had a lady here get psychotically upset (no attack) that her neighbor threw dog poo in a baggy in her trash out on the curb ready to be picked up instead of the neighbor's own trash. Evidently, some lives are so purposeless and petty that keeping score and reacting to meaningless events takes over? Maybe, I need body armor for walking the dog?
Good point.

Tomorrow is garbage day.

I'm going to check my garbage can for bags of dog poo.

I don't even have a dog, so it's important to check.
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I just saw your signature line.
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IMHO the only thing the father and son did wrong was use guns instead of grenades. Pulling the pins and letting the spoons flip on a couple of M76s would have been the perfect solution to the whole thing.

If brains were money and it cost a $1 to go around the world none of them could have got out of sight.

IMHO they did EVERYTHING wrong. The fact that they went out armed clearly shows that they were looking for trouble. And they found it. Then they continued to goad to the individual into a fight. Regardless of who owns the dumpster, they could have and should have handled it differently. The best way to win a fight us to not get into one. These men were in no fear of their lives and if they were, the could easily have removed themselves from this situatiob by going to their home or yard.
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My statement was tongue in cheek. Saying that a couple grenades would have blown them all up and done humanity a favor. End of story! Because as you point out were wrong and IMHO total idiots.
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Sorry. I misinterpreted your meaning. Agreed, a grenade would have been a blessing to all of society.
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