Parkland schools MAY arm personnel.... MAY

[ladder13]

The shooting commission has recommended some school employees be trained and armed on a voluntary basis.

Parkland shooting commission recommends teachers be armed to stop violence | Fox News

Fixed for the proof readers!

[SAFireman]

What??? I can't believe that a bureaucratic agency made that public

[elm_creek_smith]

Maybe the civilians disarmanuts will stop attacking the NRA for suggesting the same thing YEARS ago.

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[Hillbilly77]

So after all of the anti-gun rallies, marching for their lives, television interviews, celebrity donations, ad nauseam, the investigating body has decided the very thing that we've been saying all along....

"The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

Huh. Imagine that.

[gwpercle]

Beats throwing hockey pucks.

[SMSgt]

The commission "recommended" teachers be armed. That doesn't mean it will happen. There will be meetings, protests, and lawsuits filed before it happens.

[ISCS Yoda]

Even recommending the arming of teachers goes a long way to dispel a host of anti-gun arguments, all of which, of course, are mere rhetoric and hyperbole with no merit whatsoever

[diyj98]

Originally Posted by SMSgt

The commission "recommended" teachers be armed. That doesn't mean it will happen. There will be meetings, protests, and lawsuits filed before it happens.

I agree. They'll tie it up in the courts for years.

[oneounceload]

Perhaps they are feeling the heat that blames them, and the police for the entire event (of which they ARE the ones to blame)
This entire event could have been prevented IF the school board didn't try to fudge the numbers and the Sheriif's office had simply done their job before and during the incident.

I live in Florida; this is a black eye on everyone on Government - and rightfully so.

[PatAz]

Originally Posted by elm_creek_smith

Maybe the civilians disarmanuts will stop attacking the NRA for suggesting the same thing YEARS ago.

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Don't hold your breath,

[upcountry]

Poor David Hogg must be having a hissy fit....

[Leonard]

My granddaughter is in that school and what you hear from the media is not the sentiment of the majority of the community.

[Muss Muggins]

The title of the thread is misleading. Some public figures I’m aware of would term the headline “Fake News.” Given the accompanying article, I would have to agree. . .

[TomkinsSP]

This just in. An 80 year study of the Munich Crisis has determined that appealing sociopaths / psychopaths does not work. Film at 11.

[Muss Muggins]

“appeasing. . . “

Originally Posted by TomkinsSP

This just in. An 80 year study of the Munich Crisis has determined that appealing sociopaths / psychopaths does not work. Film at 11.

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by Muss Muggins

The title of the thread is misleading. Some public figures I’m aware of would term the headline “Fake News.” Given the accompanying article, I would have to agree. . .

Agreed. The thread's title makes it sound like the schools' "arming up" is a done deal, which is far from the truth. It's your basic click-bait title.

Note, too, that the commission's report is only a draft. Also, the son of one of the commission members was killed in the shooting, and that member actually voted against arming teachers.

The commission can recommend, aka suggest, whatever it wants. Their not-yet-final report gives the impression to concerned Floridians that something is being done. But it's all just talk until the Florida legislature approves their suggestions.

On March 9 of this year, however, Governor Rick Scott did sign HB7026, the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act, into law. But the NRA disapproved of certain parts of the bill/law and filed suit.

Bottom line? If the commission's suggestions are adopted, interested teachers must volunteer. No teacher can be required to be armed. They will be subjected to more stringent background checks, and then they'll have to undergo firearms training. And again, the legislature will have to approve the whole thing before any of that happens.

Under Florida law, certain school personnel...school resource officers and administrators...are already allowed to be armed while at the school.

Lots of hoops to jump through, and lots more talk to come.

[ladder13]

As usual every word is scrutinized by those perfect people. I’ll try doing better next time, my bad.

Fixed for the proof readers.

[Muss Muggins]

Before I retired, I was used to hearing the following phrase about every week from a federal judge: “Words have meaning. . . . “

Had your typo been contained in a brief, the Supreme Court may have ruled against your cert petition. . .

Originally Posted by ladder13

As usual every word is scrutinized by those perfect people. I’ll try doing better next time, my bad.

Fixed for the proof readers.

[TomkinsSP]

Originally Posted by Muss Muggins

“appeasing. . . “

Otto Spel Czech got me again.

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by ladder13

The shooting commission has recommended some school employees be trained and armed on a voluntary basis.

The obvious

[SMSgt]

Originally Posted by upcountry

Poor David Hogg must be having a hissy fit....

He is pedaling his bicycle to the rescue as we speak.

[Wise_A]

The one thing I'll say is this--stop letting them frame the argument as "arming" teachers. They're not. What we're suggesting, what we want, is to stop abridging the rights of law-abiding citizens in designated zones.

Until they include a budget line item to buy twenty new S&W M&P 9mm pistols, 10k rounds of practice FMJ, and 2k rounds Speer Gold Dot, they're not "arming" anybody.

[CH4]

Originally Posted by SMSgt

He is pedaling his bicycle to the rescue as we speak.

To the rescue or the CNN satellite truck

[Hillbilly77]

Originally Posted by ladder13

As usual every word is scrutinized by those perfect people. I’ll try doing better next time, my bad.

Fixed for the proof readers.

Suddenly a news link and discussion thereof, posted on an internet forum, is subjected to the same scrutiny as a Supreme Court case.
Good Lord.

There are some posters here that seem unable to control themselves, arguing about mundane details at every chance like it's their job. These blustering people almost detract from the greatness of this forum. I say "almost" because another thing that makes this forum so great is the Ignore List.

There.....
I feel better already.

[Ivan the Butcher]

I graduated from a small rural High School in 1974. In the hall lockers there were dozens of 22 rifles and shotguns! Upon occasion, there were WW I and WWII bolt action rifles, and rarely a handgun ( I saw that in my own locker, and it wasn't my locker mate's!) Every one of the guns was for some sort of fun! Hunting, Plinking, or target practice, but with the exception of someone bringing "Dad's gun" They were all for sale or trade! Probably 50% of boys had a knife, and about a third of them had large (over 3.5" blade) lock blade knives (Not many on the belt either!!) Of the Girls, I would say over 50% had a cutting device in their purse. I was in that building from 7th thru 12th grades and my four year older brother was the 2 years before that. All this said because: THERE WAS NEVER A SHOOTING OR A STABING! There were an occasional fist fight but nobody escalated to any sort of weapon.

IT IS NOT THE PRESENCE OF GUNS OR KNIVES THAT CAUSES OR WILL SOLVE THIS PROBLEM! You may stop an event, but the sick minded will resort to other means. Bombs, gas, or poison; come to mind or for the truly demented- an STD epidemic. Attacks on our society can only be prevented one way. PRAY, for God's protection!

Of all those youth having guns and knives in my school, I was one of the less than 15% that didn't attend church (I started after I left school).

A moral less society, is a value less society. That means the other guy has no right to anything including to live. That is the problem!

Do I want teachers armed? Yes, I want everybody armed! Why? Because I remember when we carried when it was just for fun!

Ivan

[TomkinsSP]

Originally Posted by CH4

To the rescue or the CNN satellite truck

That "Bubble-Headed Bleach-Blond", (the one that comes on at five to tell you about the plane crash) might be in danger!

RIP Mr. Henley

[cballman]

Well first thing before we arm the teachers lets STOP the bullying that has been going on. Maybe if we stop that, Then we might make a dent into the other issues. Now for arming teachers I thought that would be a great idea, BUT my daughter who is a teacher is against it. Her reasons is that if she was armed and a shooting went down and SHE had a firearm in her hands the police would mistake her for a student shooter because she looks like a kid. She is 27 years old but is smaller that a few of her middle school students. As much as I hate to admit it she is right. But maybe if the bullying is stopped then maybe we can go further with education.

[Flyingfool]

Is bullying really the problem? Seriously.

Are we supposed to believe that kids were not picked on and bullied in decades past? Are we to believe that the kids growing up withe the guns in the lockers (which probably had no locks on them) were not bullied?

I can tell you i grew up in thise times. And bullying was 100 times worse back then than today. And back then dads guns were not locked in a safe. At best they were in the corner of a closet, under his bed or at best in a glass and unlocked gun cabinet! Easily assessable by the school mids. EASY. Yet as pointed oit above the school shootimgs just did NOT happen.

Maybe, just maybe it has to do in part to raising a bjnch of spoiled little whimpy brats who feel entitled to never be offended. Who are never taught to stand up for themselves! I think the TV Shows of the likes of leave it to beaver or happy days etc. all taught for the kid being bullied to stand up for themselves and confront the bully! And did so without resorting to guns and perpetrating A mass shooting/killing. etc.

We have a society where mids get “participation trophies” and sports where no score is kept because we don’t want to hurt little Johny or Janes feelings if they lost a game. That they get to retake the tests over and over until they pass because they dont want them to hurt their self esteem.

We have a society of kids who are taught and are perpetually “offended”, as if not being offended was some sort of constitutional “right”.

We have a sue happy society where we now have to have lables on electric hairdryers to not use while in a tubful of water!

A society where it is always “someone else’s fault”.

Gone are the days that a lerson have ANY personal responsibility. Gone are the days that if you are too stupid to realize if you douse yourself with gasoline and strike a match, you will get severely hurt! (This is actually a thing, kids are “challenged” to pour alcohol or lighter fluid and start themselves on fire. There have been many kids severely hurt because of this stupidity!). I suppose some brain dead lawyer will sue the match company or gasoline manufacturer because they didnt put a lable warning not to drench yourself and start yourself on fire! After all the injury or offense “has to be someone else’s fault!”. Right?

If you have been raised and coddled and never had to deal with difficulty, or failure or disappointment or “offense”. Then what other kind of society would you expect? Why should we be surprized to learn that a college graduate who doesn’t get a mid level or higher paying management job the day after they graduate starts asserting discrimination and “unequal” pay or whatever other bunch of male bovine excrement excuse the perpetually offended spoiled coddled brat is spewing out their pie hole!

We all grew up when we complain to mom After school of whater “slight” or offense you had. Her response was almoat uniformly something if. Ot exactly verbatim: “life is not fair...so get ised to it.”

Today the kids learn “life needs to be fair, so throw a temper tantrum, go to the media, go to the governing body, go to a lawyer to force the other party to grant you fairess and equality”. You have been offended and you are entitled to never be offended. “Someone” needs to Pay! Someone needs to offer reparations for having offended your delicate wimpy *****.”

Ok. I just had to get that off my chest. Rant over!

[TomkinsSP]

Gotta thin the herd.

-Darwin

[cballman]

Flyingfool I will also agree with you statement. Goes back to a time when parents could discipline the kids. I was one of them back in the day. I graduated high school in 1980. We didnt have guns in lockers but we all carried pocketknives. Fight today friends tomorrow. Times were much simpler back in those days from what I remember.

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by TomkinsSP

RIP Mr. Henley

Don Henley is still very much alive.

[TomkinsSP]

Originally Posted by Watchdog

Don Henley is still very much alive.

Right you are. Oops. I must have been thinking about Glen Frey. Thanks Watchdog.

[BC38]

Originally Posted by Hillbilly77

Suddenly a news link and discussion thereof, posted on an internet forum, is subjected to the same scrutiny as a Supreme Court case.
Good Lord.

There are some posters here that seem unable to control themselves, arguing about mundane details at every chance like it's their job. These blustering people almost detract from the greatness of this forum. I say "almost" because another thing that makes this forum so great is the Ignore List.

There.....
I feel better already.

Yup, the pedantic live and walk among us - and post - A LOT...

[MSgt G]

Originally Posted by SMSgt

The commission "recommended" teachers be armed. That doesn't mean it will happen. There will be meetings, protests, and lawsuits filed before it happens.

And, unfortunately, probably more deaths.

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by BC38

Yup, the pedantic live and walk among us - and post - A LOT...

Wikipedia being the strong suit.

[WCCPHD]

Originally Posted by ladder13

Wikipedia being the strong suit.

Perhaps you should request permission from the hall monitors before you post anything in the future. I, too, have found the ignore list invaluable.

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda

Even recommending the arming of teachers goes a long way to dispel a host of anti-gun arguments...

Recommendations don't dispel a thing. I haven't seen any anti-gun arguments or groups going away lately. If anything, they've become more numerous and their voices have become louder and more strident, and not just in Florida.

If anyone believes arming teachers and other school personnel is going to make the anti-gunners happy, they're living in a dream world.

[BC38]

I think ISCS Yoda may have mis-spoke.
As I see it, the fact that they are even considering the suggestion of allowing teachers to be armed, is an indication that they might be beginning to comprehend our argument. That maybe their delusions about gun free zones are beginning to be dispelled...
I suspect that is more or less what he was trying to say as well.

[hkcavalier]

Originally Posted by Hillbilly77

Suddenly a news link and discussion thereof, posted on an internet forum, is subjected to the same scrutiny as a Supreme Court case.
Good Lord.

There are some posters here that seem unable to control themselves, arguing about mundane details at every chance like it's their job. These blustering people almost detract from the greatness of this forum. I say "almost" because another thing that makes this forum so great is the Ignore List.

There.....
I feel better already.

One of the great things about a very specific forum is there are a lot of know-it-alls. People that can definitively answer questions vs. "I think you have a...."

One of the bad things about a very specific forum is there are a lot of know-it-alls. People that will point out every mistake that you make and only rarely offer up something new.

Great sig line BTW!

[Kiwi cop]

Originally Posted by Muss Muggins

Before I retired, I was used to hearing the following phrase about every week from a federal judge: “Words have meaning. . . . “

Had your typo been contained in a brief, the Supreme Court may have ruled against your cert petition. . .

Punctuation is the difference between knowing your smelly brown stuff and knowing you’re smelly brown stuff

The last big station I worked at had a saying “ATD” attention to detail.

Means the difference between a bad person going to jail or getting acquitted.

And yes, I’m just as guilty of the typos as anyone else.