LEO Off-Duty and Retired Carry %

dockmurgw · #**101** 05-01-2019, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gundalow

Fascinating thread, with input from former LE officers throughout the nation, with a variety of experience. Those of us who dealt with evil folks during the course of our careers appear to be more apt to carry in retirement. Those who had limited contact with evil folks, and had the opportunity to work in communities with limited criminal violence may not see the need to carry.

I carry for several reasons. As senior citizens, traveling in the northeast, my wife and I are now in the “prey” category. My career exposed me to truly evil people that most folks never meet. But they are out there, even though you may have been fortunate enough to avoid them thus far. After my LE retirement, and serving as a consultant for a DOJ agency, I became aware of ongoing training in terrorist nations that target us, US citizens. The training includes mass murder in schools, and other public facilities throughout our country. The terrorists are interested in body count only and are prepared to die for their cause. I neither want my wife or me to be helpless victims in the remote possibility I happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. (I, and I suspect most of you, would prefer to go down fighting than slaughtered like sheep).Lastly, if I happen to see a law enforcement officer being attacked, as a former firearms’s officer, I believe he would appreciate my assistance, even if I was returning home after dinner and 2 glasses of wine.

Lastly, peace of mind. Several years ago, at about 2:00am,
I had a blowout on Rt. 84 in Connecticut. As many of you know, Connecticut has a number of violent street gangs. (I know because I’m a former member of the Connecticut Gang Investigator’s Association.) Traffic was light and I thought to myself that a grey haired guy in a broken down BMW was prime prey if a carload of gang members drove by. I was comforted with the fact that I had my Model 60 in my pocket. Fortunately a young State Trooper stopped by and insisted on changing my tire. I sent a letter to the commander of his troop, telling him my LE background, how appreciative i was, and how fortunate he was to have this trooper on his team.

Great post Mr. Gundalow. My daughter is a new trooper here in VT. Only been off field training for a couple months, but still has had to deal with dicey situations and pull her gun several times on high risk stops in her short time on the road, one armed with a pistol and shotgun that had just pointed it at a person in a parking lot. But to her the gun she carries is like a wrench a mechanic uses, it's a tool for work and nothing more. She does not carry off duty. Will her attitude change? Time will tell, but at this time she does not carry off duty. She's going to SC next month for a week, I asked if she was taking a gun with her and she just said no dad, I'll be fine. She wont even keep one in her personal car when off duty.

Gundalow · #**102** 05-02-2019, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dockmurgw

Great post Mr. Gundalow. My daughter is a new trooper here in VT. Only been off field training for a couple months, but still has had to deal with dicey situations and pull her gun several times on high risk stops in her short time on the road, one armed with a pistol and shotgun that had just pointed it at a person in a parking lot. But to her the gun she carries is like a wrench a mechanic uses, it's a tool for work and nothing more. She does not carry off duty. Will her attitude change? Time will tell, but at this time she does not carry off duty. She's going to SC next month for a week, I asked if she was taking a gun with her and she just said no dad, I'll be fine. She wont even keep one in her personal car when off duty.

Had a number of dealings with VSP over several years. The command staff was always a pleasure to work with. It is a fine LE organization that due to its small size, asks a lot of its troopers. As I recall, it wasn’t that long ago, perhaps 2 decades, that there was only one or two troopers on duty in the entire state during the early morning hours.

dockmurgw · #**103** 05-02-2019, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gundalow

Had a number of dealings with VSP over several years. The command staff was always a pleasure to work with. It is a fine LE organization that due to its small size, asks a lot of its troopers. As I recall, it wasn’t that long ago, perhaps 2 decades, that there was only one or two troopers on duty in the entire state during the early morning hours.

It's worse than that during the early morning. My daughter works nights, she loves nights and wants to stay there. The night shift ends at 2 AM, and the day shift starts at 7 AM. Between 2 AM and 7 AM is on call only, so if one gets called out they can be the only one on. Even on a regular night shift the coverage can be minimal. Last night she was one of only two troopers covering her area, which is quite extensive. And VSP provides full LE coverage for most of the state, few towns here have their own PD's. But they are very good at protecting each other, and local town cops have arrest authority in the entire state, so local cops will often leave their towns to back up a trooper, their all a tight knit group. So between looking out for each other and intense training on how to take care of themselves, they do well with what they have.

biku324 · #**104** 05-02-2019, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Big D

What is the standard for ‘impaired?’

Specifically is there a prima facie standard?

I do understand ‘Consumption of alcohol (is) prohibited’ whilst carrying.

Be safe.

Sorry for the late reply.

'Impaired' or "under the influence" for negligent use in New Mexico means "... to slightest degree defendant was less able, either mentally or physically, or both, to exercise the clear judgment and steady hand necessary to handle a firearm with safety to himself and the public."

As a practical matter, this means the complainant will have to establish by evidence that the person was drinking or using drugs and was either obviously drunk/high (God bless patrol car and body cams) or failed standardized field sobriety testing (SFST). The easiest way to convict is if you arrest a drunk driver who also has a firearm in his/her possession and they fail a breath or blood test. Too drunk to drive is also too drunk to handle firearms.

SuperMan · #**105** 02-02-2020, 01:49 PM

Interesting replies everyone...thanks...

I did my LEOSA qualification again with the Carroll County NH SO...they are really great people who want retired LEOs to carry and have a place to qualify.

Also Chief Jim Burrows of Newport PD who has 28 years in, is now retiring and will also be doing quantification for any retired LEO who is living in-state. He will be chief instructor at Pinnacle Gun Shop that is right down the street from the Ruger plant...

In talking to a few more LEOs over the last few months, most say the same thing...the number of current LEOs in their department either don't or rarely carry a gun off duty and few bother to get their LEOSA credentials when they leave...

...gamblers.

Bob

Deputy25 · #**106** 02-02-2020, 02:19 PM

I always carry my service pistol off-duty, have been for 30 years. My son is a city police officer nearby, he does the same. We both carry when we travel as well.

Old cop · #**107** 02-02-2020, 02:59 PM

Started carrying in my 1968 rookie year (required 24/7 then but not now), retired 30 yrs later and have carried consistently every day since. Less then half of the retirees I know carry and very few active duty cops from my agency carry off-duty.

LenS · #**108** 02-02-2020, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMan

Interesting replies everyone...thanks...

I did my LEOSA qualification again with the Carroll County NH SO...they are really great people who want retired LEOs to carry and have a place to qualify.

Also Chief Jim Burrows of Newport PD who has 28 years in, is now retiring and will also be doing quantification for any retired LEO who is living in-state. He will be chief instructor at Pinnacle Gun Shop that is right down the street from the Ruger plant...

In talking to a few more LEOs over the last few months, most say the same thing...the number of current LEOs in their department either don't or rarely carry a gun off duty and few bother to get their LEOSA credentials when they leave...

...gamblers.

Bob

Good to know. Even though I am quite a way from that area, we moved to the Nashua area. I haven't figured out the system here in NH to get LEOSA qualified or certified to qualify others. I'm MA SP certified to do LEOSA qualifications in MA and am currently LEOSA certified thru July 2020 (did this in MA prior to moving). I did ask NHSP about LEOSA and they gave me a contact at the NH POST but I haven't followed up yet.

Sgt911 · #**109** 02-02-2020, 04:33 PM

I was a leo 28 years, never carried, still don't, didn't even like to carry on duty.

blues7 · #**110** 02-02-2020, 06:27 PM

BE Mike · #**111** 02-02-2020, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sgt911

I was a leo 28 years, never carried, still don't, didn't even like to carry on duty.

I know another LEO that has the same thinking. Can you expound upon your comments and reasoning?

OIF2 · #**112** 02-04-2020, 01:38 AM

I always carried off-duty in the big city. Working narcotics my last 12 years, I ran into more than one prior arrestee. An Airweight .38 is cheap life insurance.
Bob

Cal44 · #**113** 02-04-2020, 02:36 AM

I asked a couple retired LEO friends this question.

Neither carries.

One is very knowledgeable about guns, and does own a 1911 which he could carry, but doesn't.

Says doesn't see the need around this area.

The other said, right after retirement, he was glad to be done with guns.

I doubt he even owns a gun.

A third friend just retired and always carries. Carried off duty too when still working. I go to the range with him from time to time.

wordsmith · #**114** 02-04-2020, 08:44 AM

Always, at all times, then and now.....

dc

AZretired · #**115** 02-04-2020, 10:20 AM

As I said in an earlier post I carry whenever I leave my house. I've been retired 13 years and that has not changed, until recently. Since August of last year I have been undergoing Chemo Therapy and taking Oxycodone daily. As such, though I do not fell impaired I do not carry. I do keep my 642 close by at home as regardless I should be able to protect myself at home. My son and I go to a local range occasionally but he carries all the guns. Right now my daily carry is a cane. Don't need it but it's the best I can do for self defense right now.

blues7 · #**116** 02-04-2020, 10:58 AM

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As I said in an earlier post I carry whenever I leave my house. I've been retired 13 years and that has not changed, until recently. Since August of last year I have been undergoing Chemo Therapy and taking Oxycodone daily. As such, though I do not fell impaired I do not carry. I do keep my 642 close by at home as regardless I should be able to protect myself at home. My son and I go to a local range occasionally but he carries all the guns. Right now my daily carry is a cane. Don't need it but it's the best I can do for self defense right now.

Hang in there, brother. I hope that better days are ahead for you.

IAhunter · #**117** 02-04-2020, 12:03 PM

Retired federal, I carry nearly 100% of the time now. This includes out of state travel under LEOSA. Normally the only time I don't carry is when visiting places where I can't carry legally.

Early in my career, I carried off duty less than 50% of the time. Active shooters weren't as common then and I didn't have as many criminal enemies then. When I did carry it was my 4" DA .357 revolver and after I had a few years in, I switched to a 2" model 60 in .357. Later I sold that model 60 and switched to an H&K USPc .40, Glock 27, and 2 1/2" S&W 66 (in that order) while carrying an H&K P2000 at work. Upon retiring, I switched back to the G27 most of the time, but I do carry the 66 at times and a little Glock 43 when it's real hot.

usmc2427765 · #**118** 02-05-2020, 12:28 AM

I am retired and every retiree that I know carries. We all put away some really bad folks that might be eligible for parole at anytime. I carry to protect me and my family.

Ranger514 · #**119** 02-05-2020, 01:15 AM

I've been retired for five years. I carried on and off duty when I was active LE, and I still carry on a daily basis. Although I left the badge and uniform behind, my mindset is unchanged.

reccpd101 · #**120** 02-05-2020, 03:56 AM

IN ORDER ASKED:
Do you carry:
All the time unless legally prohibited

Your Department:
What percentage of the officers carried OD:
100% at least some of the time

Retired officers you know:
What percentage carry:
Probably around 25% all the time
Remainder some of the time, most have CCW permits & don't depend on
LEOSA. Since LEOSA requires LE qualification, it gets harder to comply when you are older, under time requirements, and have to go through multiple positions, and use iron sights. All of the adjoining states recognize a NC issued CCW permit although VA may change that soon.

I tend to associate with "gun guys" that may effect the numbers.

biku324 · #**121** 02-06-2020, 04:45 AM

Dunno if it's relevant, but for the past 7 years I've worked in the Philippines (including Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago), Iraq, and Bosnia. Only in Iraq did I even fire weaponry to 'be ready just in case;' elsewhere only to train others. Never needed a firearm and very seldom had one. I'll be home for good soon and will likely only keep a sidearm handy in my truck or when on horseback or hiking remote areas.

ejr10mm · #**122** 02-06-2020, 09:26 AM

The only time I don't carry is when I take my little family up to Niagara Falls/Canada for our annual trip. Wow I do feel naked! I always get asked by the Canadians at the border what I do for work and then they ask me where my service weapon is. "locked up at the station" is the reply every time. When I started years ago I was told by an old crusty sergeant "kid, if you have a badge on you, you better have a gun on you." I've lived by that mantra ever since and pass that along to every new jack that I field train.

Dvan34 · #**123** 02-09-2020, 08:53 PM

I'm sure this is an unusual question. I have never seen it asked or answered. Does anyone really know why the LEOSA was passed? I've read nearly everything i can find but would like more information.

BE Mike · #**124** 02-10-2020, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dvan34

I'm sure this is an unusual question. I have never seen it asked or answered. Does anyone really know why the LEOSA was passed? I've read nearly everything i can find but would like more information.

It might have something to do with the draconian laws in some locales and states where current and retired officers were arrested for carrying or just possessing. I keep up my LEOSA qualifications, but seldom carry my retired credentials and LEOSA card unless I'm making a long multi-state trip. I use my Indiana Handgun License day-to-day. As a more progressive state, Indiana long ago decided that retired officers should be issued a lifetime license, upon proof of eligibility.

Fastbolt · #**125** 02-10-2020, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dvan34

I'm sure this is an unusual question. I have never seen it asked or answered. Does anyone really know why the LEOSA was passed? I've read nearly everything i can find but would like more information.

The political discussions in the news back then promoted the passage of HR218 as a law that would add to the overall safety of the American Public by allowing trained/active peace officers, and honorably retired peace officers (with a career's worth of training), to be armed when visiting outside their resident states. This was when the idea of looking to enhance "homeland security" was getting a lot of traction.

It was basically promoted as a way of putting more trained and armed persons in public who might act in dire circumstances to save lives. This was seen as a potential beneficial whether it involved a possible terrorist act, or just a violent crime where someone may be at risk of serious bodily injury or death. It was also promoted as a way to help provide for the safety of active and honorably retired peace officers outside their own states.

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Today's signature by President Bush closes a chapter in a 12 year long effort by the Law Enforcement Alliance of America (LEAA) and Congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA) to save cops' lives and protect our communities. First proposed by LEAA and Congressman Cunningham in 1992, this law will allow qualified off duty and retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed firearms in all 50 states.

President Bush Signs H.R. 218 | MassCops

BE Mike · #**126** 02-10-2020, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fastbolt

The political discussions in the news back then promoted the passage of HR218 as a law that would add to the overall safety of the American Public by allowing trained/active peace officers, and honorably retired peace officers (with a career's worth of training), to be armed when visiting outside their resident states. This was when the idea of looking to enhance "homeland security" was getting a lot of traction.

It was basically promoted as a way of putting more trained and armed persons in public who might act in dire circumstances to save lives. This was seen as a potential beneficial whether it involved a possible terrorist act, or just a violent crime where someone may be at risk of serious bodily injury or death. It was also promoted as a way to help provide for the safety of active and honorably retired peace officers outside their own states.

President Bush Signs H.R. 218 | MassCops

Wow, Cunningham? I wonder how much money he made off that deal? He was a man without honor! He was great while seated in those Navy planes, though. A friend of mine (a veteran) has a son who is a guard at the U.S. Federal Penitentiary Leavenworth. He said it might surprise some people just how many veterans, who served heroically, end up on the other side of the law on the "outside".

Sgt911 · #**127** 02-10-2020, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BE Mike

I know another LEO that has the same thinking. Can you expound upon your comments and reasoning?

Not much to expound on. I have never felt threatened or felt the need to. On duty a weapon is an extremely small part of the job. I was on the street for 21 years, one of the largest, busiest jurisdictions in the country. I have been in some, and have seen some ****. I have been shot at, but never shot at anyone. That being said I am for all kinds of carry. I don't judge. Open carry, concealed carry, carry one, two three, whatever your heart desire. I believe gun laws are too restrictive. Suppressors and SBRs should be cash and carry.

BE Mike · #**128** 02-10-2020, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sgt911

Not much to expound on. I have never felt threatened or felt the need to. On duty a weapon is an extremely small part of the job. I was on the street for 21 years, one of the largest, busiest jurisdictions in the country. I have been in some, and have seen some ****. I have been shot at, but never shot at anyone. That being said I am for all kinds of carry. I don't judge. Open carry, concealed carry, carry one, two three, whatever your heart desire. I believe gun laws are too restrictive. Suppressors and SBRs should be cash and carry.

It's your choice. I won't judge. I will say that in my time in law enforcement, there were several times that when I had a gun in my hand, it undoubtedly diffused the situation and may have actually saved lives. After sitting through one interview, the suspect made it clear that if I hadn't had the drop on him he would have used the gun that he had at the time. I never had to shoot and for that I am grateful everyday, but I was mentally prepared and well trained to do so. I would never forgive myself, if someone close to me could have been saved from injury or death and I could have prevented it, but didn't have a gun. Although, like you say, the chance of having a deadly confrontation now is low, I still am one of those people who likes to be prepared for emergencies. I have fire extinguishers around the house and in the cars. I have smoke alarms. I carry good spare tires and the necessary tools to change a tire. At our advanced ages, I do consider my wife and I as much more tempting targets of violent criminals than when we were young and vibrant. Anything that gives us a better chance of survival in a deadly encounter is high on my list.

snowman.45 · #**129** 02-10-2020, 09:37 PM

As I've said before in this forum, I was a police officer in two Central California Police Departments; 16 years in the first and 21 in the second, my home town (only 18 miles away from previous department). I was second in command of the first when I left and retired from the second as a lieutenant. I was a firearms instructor/range master in both departments for a total of about 28 years. Same for SWAT.

The point to all of this is to say that, While I was shot at a number of times and drew my duty weapon more times in the face of imminent threat to myself and/or others than I can estimate in 37 years, I never was forced to shoot anyone. This included about 8 years as a sniper element member and later, element leader, as well as 20 years of entry element. I consider myself extremely lucky the bad guys surrendered without pushing the point, this included a number of homicide suspects I would have thought to have been most likely to resist. Call it dumb luck, call it tactics, but I think it was mostly due to confidence in my training a ability.

But now that I've strayed off of the original question by trying to provide this background information, I will say that I always carry in retirement. I always carried off-duty and have always felt that I had a moral obligation to be prepared to provide assistance or intervene when someone is facing imminent threat. It's hard to set aside 37 years of training and experience we gain during active service. However, that said, I remain very aware that I am retired and wouldn't even presume to take action in anything other than an immediate threat situation. I got through all those years with a relatively whole hide. I'd like to keep that record going through retirement.

Screwball · #**130** 02-10-2020, 10:15 PM

I carry whenever I can. Only time I don’t is either when I’m drinking (rarely do) or when I legally can’t (going into Canada; CBP on northern border).

I get **** (really? censor is a little touchy) from coworkers about how much I carry... especially flying armed. That’s even a touchy subject depending on which Supervisor you discuss it with (if you are flying for work, fine; personal flying... some complain).

Coworkers, some carry just as much... others carry some of the time... and a handful, don’t carry outside of work.

snowman.45 · #**131** 02-11-2020, 08:52 AM

Fastbolt, did we ever cross paths? Sounds like may have covered some of the same ground.

The Big D · #**132** 02-11-2020, 09:39 PM

Screwball, your post infers you carry ‘flying armed’ whilst engaged in ‘personal flying.’ That is not permitted per TSA rules.

Please expand on your statement. Am a bit confused... thank you.

Be safe.

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I get **** (really? censor is a little touchy) from coworkers about how much I carry... especially flying armed. That’s even a touchy subject depending on which Supervisor you discuss it with (if you are flying for work, fine; personal flying... some complain).
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fishwishin · #**133** 02-11-2020, 10:11 PM

Still working (30th year) in California- 100% carry OD.

About two thirds of my 30ish person Dept. carries OD to some degree. About a third carries OD to the same degree as me.

Screwball · #**134** 02-11-2020, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Big D

Screwball, your post infers you carry ‘flying armed’ whilst engaged in ‘personal flying.’ That is not permitted per TSA rules.

Please expand on your statement. Am a bit confused... thank you.

Be safe.

Federal L/E can carry without official need... judging agency protocol is met (namely, carry our duty weapon).

sigp220.45 · #**135** 02-11-2020, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Screwball

Federal L/E can carry without official need... judging agency protocol is met (namely, carry our duty weapon).

True indeed. I flew armed to Hawaii for a vacation with my wife and kids. The downside is they won’t serve you drinks, so a lot of guys don’t bother.

Screwball · #**136** 02-11-2020, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sigp220.45

True indeed. I flew armed to Hawaii for a vacation with my wife and kids.

I do it for quite a few reasons...

My agency was created due to 9/11. While the chances are low that a terrorist attack will occur with planes as the instrument, eventually someone is going to test and exploit it. Getting to the spot where 9/11 isn’t as big of a memory for some, and while I try to support TSA... too much stupid **** is interdicted while less obvious infractions are overlooked.

I also came on right after a FAMS guy came over to CBP, who gave me some insight on how stretched they are, and how they will sometimes bump people from flights if they find out that L/E are flying armed.

I flew down to NJ about a month back, armed. While it wasn’t a huge flight, and was going from a medium sized airport to a larger one... guess how many people flew armed? One.

If you ever see the process for someone in the cockpit to go to the bathroom nowadays, you realize they aren’t taking any chances. Personally, I hate flying... so I’m not going to be sleeping on any flight. Sort of win-win for everyone.

Both flight crews were extremely professional to me, but the captain on my return flight actually had a moment to talk to me in the terminal; which he thanked me, and hoped that more Federal L/E did it. Not going to give the words he said about it, but from that... as long as I’m legally able to, I’ll be carrying in the air.

The Big D · #**137** 02-12-2020, 11:55 AM

Thanks for the explantation, Screwball.

I flew armed often when still working post-9/11; including one of the very first flights after the skies were reopened. That was for official duties.

I did not know that sworn personnel could carry absent being on official duty. I am pleased that you and others do so. Good on ya!

Be safe.

Gene L · #**138** 02-12-2020, 02:33 PM

I sometimes do, sometimes don't. Ex LEO of 33 years, I carried for all those ears both on . I have never used or drawn a gun while off duty and am highly unlikely to do so in the future. So I don't carry, but when I do, it's not for the highly unlikely possibility I'll ever need it to defend my life in my very low crime area where I live. I carry because sometimes I like to carry a pistol.

heeter3 · #**139** 03-25-2020, 03:09 PM

Retired and carry 100% of the time also did the same when I was otj.My son who is active le carries 100% of the time working or not and on all off duty jobs.My brother who is also retired carries 100% and also did so when otj.Sadly I have a millenial nephew who is active le that does not carry off duty and probably would not on duty unless required.Im sure he would just rather hold hands with the dirtbags and sing a chorus of kumbya.

JWM · #**140** 04-12-2020, 11:10 PM

Retired close to four years now. Occasionally carry when the mood strikes me. More into trap shooting these days.

SWMPSW · #**141** 04-12-2020, 11:49 PM

I'm very good friends with our County Sheriff, and my landlord is a retired city PO. Neither one carry.

fatcat3 · #**142** 04-13-2020, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ziggy2525

I’ve posted this a couple times before in different threads, so apologies for the repeat. For quite a few years I was in a social group that was mostly non-LEO’s, but also had quite a few active LEO’s. Mostly from a 900 officer city department.

Other than pheasant and deer hunting they weren’t any more gun guys than they were baton guys or handcuff guys. Pretty sure the ones I knew well weren’t carrying off duty. They were deep into kids sports, adult fast pitch softball, and riding motorcycles. Everyday guys with a job that required them to carry a weapon at work. Just another work tool. Off duty they were no more likely carrying than a lumberjack would be toting his chainsaws.

AMEN! However I know more than a few men that work in the woods, and you will find in the bed of the truck a chainsaw or two, pulp hook, empty Bics, Marlboro packs, beer cans, gas and oil cans. Often a chainsaw t wrench in their back pocket. Hence the driver's side seat all ripped to dog snot.

Andy Taylor · #**143** 04-19-2020, 03:35 PM

Non LEO, but worked with LEOs a lot for several years. I'd guess maybe 1/3 or so carried OD.

My father was a LEO. While active he probably carried 90-95% of the time. The rest of the time, one was in the car. After retirement, those numbers swapped. Carried about 5-10% of the time and one was in the car the rest of the time. He passed in 2013. He was not a gun guy.

My son is also a LEO. He carries 100% of the time. He is a gun guy.

The only non-family LEO I hang out with these days is the former Under Sheriff in my county. He carries 100% of the time and he is a gun guy. That's how I got to know him.

BE Mike · #**144** 04-20-2020, 09:54 AM

Those active and retired LEO's who don't carry, for the most part, probably don't keep up their proficiency and the public probably is better off for their decision.

grendelbean · #**145** 04-20-2020, 10:23 AM

If I'm out and about, I am carrying. The availability of small, easily concealable pistols, and the large selection of in the belt holsters, make it an easy choice. I also carry a larger caliber semi auto and extra mags in my go bag, kept in a easy out-of-sight spot in the SUV. Did the same thing before I retired. Most retired LEO I know carry as well, but not necessarily 100% if the time. Stay Safe. grendelbean.

Mrnurse · #**146** 04-20-2020, 10:52 AM

I follow the IDF Protocol for Police ...that is loaded mag but NO round in chamber..it takes a second to chamber a round. IDF found folks were blowing holes in Feet and Ceilings, so the rules were changed to what it is now. If course this does not apply to wheel guns as you can quickly see if loaded. Most Israelis carry the Highpower or the IMI 9mm, I was wavered for a wheel gun. Some Jews on the Borders are Issued Uzi carbines and Qual yearly, THEY ARE ALWAYS Cond 1.

ChopperGuy · #**147** 05-03-2020, 10:33 PM

100% of the time as a retired LEO.

Only time I don’t is when traveling to Canada fishing. Still always get questions by Canada customs at the border. And feel naked while there.

Retired since 2011 and still actively train myself by attending more progressive classes than were ever offered while working. Also practic weekly and maintain my instructor status to train others for concealed carry and LEOSA certification.

If I’m vertical, I’m carrying. At home or on the road.

About half of the retired officers I qualify carry full time. I retired from a state agency and offer annual certifications to anyone from our agency training for the cost of range time.

Glad to see how many turn out, but fairly disappointed by how many train and practice regularly.

Oh well, I do what I can.