Is there a point there Muggy? If it is using ones support hand to move someone, well in an immediate confrontation, she may not see it & I do, hence pushing her or moving her out of the way as I present. Yeah I practice that. It may be oh, a child that or someone with me that has no idea what is what. Good try though.

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No, other than the one I highlighted. Again, I protect me and mine, and leave “presenting” to others looking to play hero . . .

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

"And most people cant process stimuli under stress".

That is true. I'm one of them. About a half century ago, back in my young and somewhat stupider days, a couple of friends and I were in a bar fight with 3 or 4 other guys. One of them pulled a snubbie on me. I was totally unwilling to process the stimulus of being shot, so I immediately took it away from him and put it in my pocket. I went by his workplace the next day and returned it - but I did take the precaution of unloading it first, not wanting to be stimulated again.

Ayoob has a good answer to the shoot-to-stop-is-virtue-signalling nonsense. I just ran across this youtube video a few moments ago.

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Thank you Gerhard1 for inserting some rationality into the gunfighting debate. I being an old man have a perspective on gun ownership that that is no longer current nor perhaps particularly relevant in today's society, to whit: Guns are collector's items or sporting goods- sporting goods that carried the potential for self defense but that was not the reason we owned them. We were hobbyists, not gun fighters. My mentors were virtually all WW2 veterans and many had indeed killed other men in defense of our country, still they were hobbyists. Perhaps we should recognize that for many of us, gun ownership is still primarily a hobby. I am not a fool and I have met a number of folks who wished to do me harm over my 75 years of life (I'm still here), but I don't choose to exercise my hobby in the practice of training to kill another human being when I realize that the real chance of needing to protect myself is very, very small. I suspect that I am not alone in my belief.

Lots of info here and well worth reading. However if avoidance is not an option you must have the will to pull the trigger and you must hit the target on the first shot. Any reasonable caliber is OK.

One well placed .22LR is worth more than ten .44 mags spread over the countryside.

Assuming your opponent is better than you is a good start but being better than your opponent wins every time so long as he/she can't deliver.

The most dangerous person I know isn't the man who has many days, weeks, months on the battlefield, it is the man who is unafraid to die. The man for whom death is a blessing.

ATB

Go play CQB Airsoft. If you don't know what that is, google up some youtube videos. It is the best training money can't buy, and will be a humbling experience to all those who think they're shooters. Running around in a semi-lit building with a bunch of reckless teenagers trying to kill you simply can't be simulated. It is the closest thing to actual gunfights you will experience. It certainly changed my thinking.

I'll stick to Call Of Duty. I can do it from a recliner with beer and Hot Pockets.

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OK, this is long after post #1 but.................I'm not familiar with the specifics of the Kansas CCW law but there seems to be an issue with terminology here, at least in many/most states. This might seem nit-picking, but there can be a serious difference here.

"Castle Doctrine" typically refers to having no duty to retreat in the face of a threat within the home or the curtiliage (property immediately surrounding the home) thereof.

Keeping prosecutors with an axe to grind about the many and varied exceptions to the duty to retreat from a threat in public and/or fantasies about what constituted a "reasonable and safe alternative" to the use of deadly force resulted in the passage of "stand your ground" (in a public place) laws in many states.

When firing an Airsoft pistol at a teenager who is not really trying to rob you and also paid $25 for an hour to run around an abandoned warehouse to scream and have fun before going for ice cream or beer shatters your eardrums, gives you tinnitus forever, and destroys everything next to you when the vapid teenager shoots at you with a real pistol and misses, give me a call. Airsoft is in no way the closest thing to an actual gunfight one can experience. I have come to believe you are a 16 year old troll living in your grandmother’s basement. #ChangeMyMind

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I have to agree with Muss both in his observations on airsoft and your background. Those "playing" with airsoft can be reckless as there are no serious consequences for failure.

Univibe you come up with some strange positions that lead me to think that your sum total of experience is video games, air soft, and utube. Please enlighten me on your background.

Working Miami-Dade Homicide, while assigned to ATF, we would do the air soft training thing. It was fun and some techniques could be learned. BUT. Having been in a toe to toe gunfight and lived, after being behind in the draw, no air soft games can come close to the real deal.

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Gun fight survival involves surviving not only 1) the fight, but 2) the criminal investigation, and 3) the civil suit that routinely follows.

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STAY ARMED, VIGILANT, SAFE!

Univibe, no snarkasm or piling-on intended. You seem to be intelligent as you have shown that you know your way around the written word but I have to wonder why you choose not to address questions to or charges leveled at you?

A little honesty would go a long way in establishing some measure of credibility. Otherwise folks are going to hit the "ignore" button on you.

Tone down the rhetoric and come swim with the rest of us salmon.

If nothing else we are a forgiving bunch.

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A lot of nonsense in this thread.

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NEVER GIVE UP YOUR GUN

Would you care to point out some specifics?

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And don't forget John Wayne's wisdom: Life is tough, it's tougher when you're stupid!

I think being ready, able and willing to kill a human being who is a threat is rare.

Full commitment to killing a threat - and killing the threat is the only sure way to end the threat - has to be the mind set.

Escaping a threat is great in theory, but it is counter to killing the threat.

If you gotta draw, you gotta kill, or give it your best effort, imo.

If your efforts to kill lead to an incapacitated perp, ok, but dead is no threat.

But what the heck do I know? Never been there.

I fully agree with avoiding the situation as best as possible, but even your best efforts can be countered by the one or more perps who decide your neighborhood is ripe.

Stay out of Chicago period.

Do not overlook the fact that most often the bad guy has the initiative. It is his greatest advantage. He picks the time and place. He selects the victim, likely one he believes he can easily overwhelm or intimidate.

Your response, whatever it be, is, by definition, reactive. Even on high alert, he has you by a second or two. Something to ponder when considering John Farnam's advice on stupid people and stupid places.

I just read some "Armed Citizen" incidences in "The American Rifleman". A few were home invasions. The citizens came out on top because they were mentally prepared and had learned enough skill with a firearm to get the job done.