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Sobering discovery regarding micro auto
I’m out of town carrying - instead of my j frame decided to carry my LCP in a pocket holster. I have several holsters in nylon or leather. I try not to touch my pocket once it is placed in my front pocket. Nothing strenuous just a convention walking around and sitting. Going back to the hotel over the past three days twice I went to pull out the small semi the magazine was not fully seated. Didn’t matter the holster leather or nylon same issue. Weird thing is the holsters cover the mag release. Last time I made sure to fully seat it. Walked around my hotel room sitting standing lying down getting back up and the mag stayed in.
Really had me doubting my choice. I know I went for convenience and ease of carry but if something happens while I was walking around downtown the little LCP is basically a single shot
This has me really thinking - once I get home back to my j frame from now on. And when I travel dress around it versus convenience.
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I've had it happen too. But only when in a pocket where there is stress put on the exterior of the gun/holster. Only happened in my jeans pocket.
I now carry it in my jacket pocket. Easier to get too anyway.
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Happens to me with a Jetfire in jeans pocket.
Problem isn’t only single shot! If the mag walks out a little it can trap it in your pocket.
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My old Colt Pocket Ponylite would do that.
I hunted and searched until i found a company making stronger mag release spring. This solved the problem.
Maybe a kydex holster with a molded area over the release would keep this from occurring again? Or that J-frame also solves it.
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Good grief
Never thought of that
I mean back in the hotel it was easy to fish it out of my pocket but I wasn’t under stress
Sobering indeed
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Had same problem with my Glock 43 after I installed an extended mag release. When I went back to stock the problem went away. Pocket carry can cause some odd problems. Was caring a 38 derringer in my back pocket uncocked of course.Got home one day and the derringer had cocked itself in my back pocket.
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I have carried an LCPII in the pocket holster that came with the gun for about 2 years now and that has never happened.
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This is why I love the heel mag releases and don’t understand why they’re more prevalent on CC guns. Rohrbaugh used to use them and they were awesome. I usually file mag releases way down and sometimes add a stronger spring because of this issue.
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My BG 380 will do the same.
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cut down the mag catch about half of the exposed length and no more premature ejections.Ihave done this on mustang ,pony bg 380s ,beretta 950/21s always works
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This is why I love the heel mag releases and don’t understand why they’re more prevalent on CC guns. Rohrbaugh used to use them and they were awesome. I usually file mag releases way down and sometimes add a stronger spring because of this issue.
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Except with a heel release you now have a two handed gun to operate like it or not.
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I've been pocket carrying my BG380 in a Desantis Nemesis holster for the past few years, and have never experienced that. Thanks for sharing. I'll keep an eye out for that.
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I have carried my revolvers and semi-autos in soft holsters for years without any problem, but now carry in a kydex Alabama Holster. The kydex is far superior for me.
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Out of curiosity, is your LCP an original Gen 1 (2008-2013) model with the smaller sights?
I ask because I've heard of this before, but it seems to be an issue of older models because not everyone has this and my LCP 10th Anniversary Edition (2018) has never had this issue.
I've heard that it has something to do with Gen 1 models using a polymer magazine release which was easier to depress and was also more susceptible to wear, whereas the Gen 2 models have metal magazine releases.
At any rate, the best remedy I can think of is to experiment with other holsters made of stiffer material less likely to engage the mag release under pressure and/or practice slapping the magazine in while drawing to ensure that it's fully seated.
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I have been carrying an LCP Gen1 in a sticky for over 6 years without ever having this issue.
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Oh, and obviously wearing looser-fitting pants with larger pockets ought to help as well. I wear 5.11 Cargo Pants with huge pockets, which may be a contributing factor to my lack of experience with this issue.
Plus, wearing looser-fitting pants with larger pockets such as cargo pants also has the fringe benefit of being more masculine-looking, which may make you less likely to be targeted compared to effeminate-looking guys wearing skinny jeans or leggings, thus reducing the probability of having to draw your LCP in the first place.
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I had the same problem with a leather inside waist holster and my Keltec P3AT (the patern Ruger used for their L(ittle) C(opied) P(istol).
I cut a small hole in the leather that matched the magazine release location and shape. With the pistol holstered, the mag release filled the hole, but did not rise proud of the leather.
Mag was never released after that, and holster, functions and retains the pistol well without depressing the mag release. Trigger is still completely covered/protected.
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Plus, wearing looser-fitting pants with larger pockets such as cargo pants also has the fringe benefit of being more masculine-looking, which may make you less likely to be targeted compared to effeminate-looking guys wearing skinny jeans or leggings, thus reducing the probability of having to draw your LCP in the first place
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Yes, goofy big cargo pants pockets are dripping with testosterone.
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Worse yet, doesn't the LCP have a magazine disconnect safety?
So if mag isn't seated fully... pistol won't operate
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Yes, goofy big cargo pants pockets are dripping with testosterone.
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Compared to "effeminate-looking... skinny jeans or leggings" they sure do...
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Dirty Harry Callahan;
Yes, goofy big cargo pants pockets are dripping with testosterone.
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More so than skinny jeans or leggings, at least. But then again, I suppose that I am being a bit unreasonable considering that skinny jeans and leggings are effeminate by default, ergo pretty much everything including Kilts and Lederhosen are more masculine than they are.
But yeah, I'd say that cargo pants are manly, especially considering they're synonymous with Military/Law Enforcement.
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Worse yet, doesn't the LCP have a magazine disconnect safety?
So if mag isn't seated fully... pistol won't operate
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No, that the LC9s. (Excluding the LC9s Pro.)
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More so than skinny jeans or leggings, at least. But then again, I suppose that I am being a bit unreasonable considering that skinny jeans and leggings are effeminate by default, ergo pretty much everything including Kilts and Lederhosen are more masculine than they are.
But yeah, I'd say that cargo pants are manly, especially considering they're synonymous with Military/Law Enforcement.
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Because kilts and Lederhosen are synonymous with Scottish and Bavarian warriors.
What are skinny jeans and leggings synonymous with? Hipsters and girls?
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Because kilts and Lederhosen are synonymous with Scottish and Bavarian warriors.
What are skinny jeans and leggings synonymous with? Hipsters and girls?
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Precisely.
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When I carry my LCP Gen 2 I carry it in a Remora holster on my waist. It never moves and I usually forget I have it on me.
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Your pants are to tight!
Duct tape the magazine on the bottom to the frame. You are not gonna need to do a tactical reload.
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Never had this issue with my Bodyguard 380's. I've been carrying them for almost 8 years in a desantis nemesis or an Elite nylon IWB. I can add that the Bodyguard switched to a metal mag release also. The older ones had a plastic mag release that weakens over time with the metal mag on plastic wearing it out causing mag drops.
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Weird thing is the holsters cover the mag release.
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That's your problem right there. A quality leather holster should not cover the mag release.
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My old Colt Pocket Ponylite would do that.
I hunted and searched until i found a company making stronger mag release spring. This solved the problem.
Maybe a kydex holster with a molded area over the release would keep this from occurring again? Or that J-frame also solves it.
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So would my Colt Pocketlite, but only if I really pressed on it. Like the time I crawled on my belly in a cave and later discovered the mag had popped out.
I also solved the problem with a J frame.
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A good reason to test your gear under reasonably realistic conditions to see if it works and if there are any weaknesses.
Generally, you don't want your holster covering the mag release. The only exception I could think of would be a rigid kydex holster that might offer some protection against inadvertent releases.
This is also one of the reasons (among many) I've been seriously considering the Beretta Pico for a pocket .380 as the mag release operates by pushing down, rather than in, like on HK pistols. Not sure if that would offer a benefit, but it is something I've thought about and, if I do get a Pico, it'll be something I'll test out.
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I haven't had that happen with either my Bersa Thunder or my CS9. It never occurred to me that it could be an issue.
I was using a Mika for the Bersa and a DeSantis Nemesis for the CS9.
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I posted about this problem w/my LCP awhile ago and thought it was mostly us lefties who had the issue. I ordered a pocket holster from Holster Pro that is thick leather and covers the mag button and it seems to have worked. That said I still prefer a J frame for EDC but circumstances sometimes dictate the LCP.
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Try the Beretta Pico it has an HK type paddle mag button.
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Carried a original LCP for 8 years or so in a Galco pocket protector. Never had the mag pop out. 2 or 3 years ago bought a LCP II. Couldn't find a Galco for it and wound up with a Talon leather pocket holster. I've never found the mag popped out of that either. I'm also left handed.
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I've never had that happen with any gun I've pocket carried, latest is an LCP 10th Anniversary that I've used the factory pocket holster for the last 8 months everyday.
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I forget how many years I have been carrying a Ruger LCP in a Desantis Pocket (sticky) holster in my front pocket. (Docker type shorts) no cargo shorts, Never had an issue.
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Vedder Light Tuck Kydex holster. NO problems. They do make a pocket
holster also.
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This issue is one reason I pocket carry an updated version of the Beretta Pico with a paddle mag release. One caveat is that the Pico needs a snap cap when dryfired.
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I've been pocket carrying my BG380 in a Desantis Nemesis holster for the past few years, and have never experienced that. Thanks for sharing. I'll keep an eye out for that.
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Ditto.
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