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Also with the existing buying panic, first time firearm buyers can buy a shotgun (long gun) without a Sherriff issued permit, In NC.
So I suspect a lot of shotguns went that route.
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Also with the existing buying panic, first time firearm buyers can buy a shotgun (long gun) without a back ground check - no permit required. In NC.
So I suspect a lot of shotguns went that route.
What? Any firearm purchased from a licensed FFL will require a background check. Doesn't matter if they are a first time buyer, or if it is a long gun, hand gun, firearm, or AOW.
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What? Any firearm purchased from a licensed FFL will require a background check. Doesn't matter if they are a first time buyer, or if it is a long gun, hand gun, firearm, or AOW.
You are absolutely correct. I meant to say permit. I will correct the post. Thanks!!
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I suspect that shotguns are the long arm most people are immediately familiar with the general operation of, lending them as an easy first choice to the new gun owner.
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My two cents. How many people here remember the movie "El Dorado", where John Wayne has James Caan get a sawed off that had been carried by a blind man?

I am not bashing shotgun owners, but realistically, a defensive shotgun requires less training and practice to be "proficient" in a defensive scenario. Many of the first time owners are more likely of the impression that all you need to do is "load, point, shoot". Becoming proficient at close range with a shotgun doesn't require the training and practice usually associated with pistols and rifles.

In many respects, the shotgun is the closest firearm with "plug and play" features .
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At ten yards, with #7 shot, Tac-14, the wad would knock over our target stands
How do you know it was the wad and not the shot?

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Cool. Thanks. I'm more worried about getting hit in the face with ejected shells than being visually distracted.
You will not get hit in the face with an ejected shell. I'm a lefty and I've fired over 100,000 rounds with semi-auto shotguns and never been hit in the face with an ejected shell. Neither are they visually distracting.


I'm blown away by the poor information in this thread. Using #7.5 or smaller shot is a terrible idea for self-defense. Even at close range where it doesn't spread out a lot, because the pellets are so small, they won't penetrate enough to stop the bad guy.

Remember, the point is to stop the bad guy. Not scare him, wound him, injure him or even startle him. No, it's to stop him cold in his tracks.

The x-ray of the guy with all the shot in him is nifty, but that guy is still a viable threat and now he's pissed.

I'll take 00Buck over every other round any day. Sure, if you miss there could be a penetration issue, but the chances of that penetration actually harming an innocent are astronomically small. I want the surety of a stop on the first shot.
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Lots of remarks... But again I say that High Brass in a Home with others inside is foolish. As I posted above Ive treated several folks that were DOA but I had to do the ER GSW Protocol till a MD could call the Code. Ive shot #7 shot at 12 Yds into a HD 5 gal water Bucket and it blew through it. Anyone who says it wont go through a Leather Jacket is ...well.... Kind of out of reality.
If the HD water bucket was galvanized steel, it doesn't flex like a ribcage on a living body. Nor does the bucket sway with the impact like a body will. There was some clown on the internet shooting pork ribs nailed to a board with what looked like a 30 in full choke shogun using birdshot. That is NOT a good simulation of the living body nor a situation a home defender faces .

I don't doubt that people have died from being hit by birdshot. However, people get stuck by lightning too. The problem is, as Rastoff notes, that you need to stop the assault as rapidly as possible regardless of range, size of attacker, body position and/or level of either hormonal or street drug enhancement..

The other side of that coin is that anything moving faster than a .177 pellet at~300 f/s is going through drywall interior partitions with enough energy to cause death/serious bodily injury if it hits the proper areas of the innocent body. Again, I've seen the tragic results of stray pellets. Best to know where permissible shooting lanes are. Training family members to go prone in the event of violence is best.

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I'm blown away by the poor information in this thread. Using #7.5 or smaller shot is a terrible idea for self-defense. Even at close range where it doesn't spread out a lot, because the pellets are so small, they won't penetrate enough to stop the bad guy.

Remember, the point is to stop the bad guy. Not scare him, wound him, injure him or even startle him. No, it's to stop him cold in his tracks.
Agree... There is a reason why they call it "birdshot" and "buckshot".
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The same debate rages every time shotguns are mentioned.
I would be willing to bet that if the guy with the x-ray below was still mobile, he sure as hell didn't stick around for another dose of the same!
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Just remembered ...... our former VP told everyone to go out and get a shotgun............. for firing out the window

So Democrats flocking to the gun shops; like a liberal who's just been mugged, are buying shotguns!!!!!

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I would be willing to bet that if the guy with the x-ray below was still mobile, he sure as hell didn't stick around for another dose of the same!
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I don't want any threat that I engage in my home to still be mobile... I want him stopped. A person that remains mobile may flee, but they may also continue to fight.
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Some of those pellets had to give him the world's worst heartburn!
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It's hard to beat a plain, unadorned with gadgetry, 12 ga. short-barreled 870 with a real stock, wood or plastic, and buckshot loads.
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Multiple times I've been asked to train whole families in home defense, including middle school age kids, petite daughter and wife, and husbands of all varieties. I teach Boy Scouts 22s & shotguns, Explorer & LE Scouts handguns. I am a former LE firearms state certified trainer including advanced techniques and a current concealed handgun instructor.

The first question the husband asks is what gun should I buy or I'll bring my plastic fantastic roscoe. I tell him not to buy anything yet and bring his roscoe another time. My first question is about his families prior experience. I bring my 22, 32, 38/357 revolvers and 22, 380, 9mm, and 40, 45 autos. I bring lever action pistol caliber carbines, AR-9s, AR-15s, and 20 & 12 gauge double, pump, and semi shotguns. I also tell him he will shoot last, keep his opinions to himself, and watch and listen to his family first.

We start with law of self defense, Castle doctrine, stand your ground law, then go thru the NRA first shots class whether or not they have shot before. I then ask if anyone thinks they can not, for ANY reason, shoot some else to defend themselves or family. (There is NOT a wrong answer but it makes them think about it usually for the first time).

At the range, we do safety briefing and shoot 22s, revolver & auto & carbines starting with the youngest and moving up in age. We then move up in calibers. Everything is 10 yards or less. With a rural family, it's a bit different. The core take away is establish a defensible room and let the bad actors make the mistake of trying to get it. No property is worth confrontation only your family.

With rare exceptions, the result is a family decision to get a mid size 38 (K frame) revolver and a 20 gauge shotgun, usually a pump but sometimes a double.

We close with what happens after a shooting and how to deal with it.

Sorry for the long post but the right firearm is only PART of the process. How you get to the right firearm and why is at least as important. I usually want three days to do this with EVERYONE present. If the family as a WHOLE is already into shooting, we won't use all the allocated time and the cost is lower.
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[QUOTE=Rastoff;140723275]How do you know it was the wad and not the shot?

You will not get hit in the face with an ejected shell. I'm a lefty and I've fired over 100,000 rounds with semi-auto shotguns and never been hit in the face with an ejected shell. Neither are they visually distracting.


I'm blown away by the poor information in this thread. Using #7.5 or smaller shot is a terrible idea for self-defense. Even at close range where it doesn't spread out a lot, because the pellets are so small, they won't penetrate enough to stop the bad guy.

Remember, the point is to stop the bad guy. Not scare him, wound him, injure him or even startle him. No, it's to stop him cold in his tracks.

The x-ray of the guy with all the shot in him is nifty, but that guy is still a viable threat and now he's pissed.

I'll take 00Buck over every other round any day. Sure, if you miss there could be a penetration issue, but the chances of that penetration actually harming an innocent are astronomically small. I want the surety of a stop on the first shot.[/QU

Apparently........You have never shot a #4 Turkey load.
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[/QU Apparently........You have never shot a #4 Turkey load.[/QUOTE]

I have..from a 10 ga. 3 1/2" mag. Don't know if it hit the target as hard as it did my shoulder, but it was pretty impressive pattern-wise. 2 oz. of copper plated #4's
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Apparently........You have never shot a #4 Turkey load.
I have... and a turkey is still a bird, and #4 turkey load is still bird shot. The pellet in #4 bird shot is less than half the size of #1 buck. Still not a reliable man stopper.
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I never realized they had fallen out of favor.
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Been wanting a Tac 14 since I checked one out at SHOT a couple years ago. Picked one up at Scheels a while back - strictly a cheap impulse buy. Other than a cool novelty (because it looks illegal), I initially didnít have an intended use for it. Now I am thinking house gun.
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Most older guys havenít!
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But the older you get, the less enthusiastic you might be about them. Recoil can change from acceptable to uncomfortable to health threatening.

While those X-ray pics are interesting, without accompanying medical records, exactly what they represent is questionable. I note apparent pellets lodged in muscle tissue above the clavicles in picture 1.
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The same debate rages every time shotguns are mentioned.
I would be willing to bet that if the guy with the x-ray below was still mobile, he sure as hell didn't stick around for another dose of the same!
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The problem with this picture is that it's 2 dimensional. If you look critically at the pic and correlate the side pic with the back pic, you can see that this person was shot in the back and none of the pellets penetrated through the skin. In the skin yes, but not through. I'm positive this guy was not only mobile, but a viable threat if he was a bad guy. I don't know where this pic came from, but it looks like a hunter who got shot in the back.

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Apparently........You have never shot a #4 Turkey load.
I haven't. So what?


Some perspective:


I'll take the 30 cal stuff for self-defense every time.
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I too have heard the shotguns have been flying off the shelves. The local places around here say it, and my uncle, who owns a gun store confirmed it by his store. My go to is a Mossberg 500, converted to some 590 upgrades. My wife and daughter both have 18.5" Mossberg 500E shotguns in .410 because they don't like 12G. Both have Winchester PDX1, Hornady critical defense, and Federal 000 buckshot loads ready to go. My ready load was Federal #1 LEO, but they stopped making it I think, so now I use Federal 13200 shells. My favorite shotgun to shoot is my Tristar Tec12 (Benelli M3 clone). Got it cheap, and I treat it like a rental car on a road course.
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I've read this whole string and note folks getting their panties
wadded by shot size. For most in house uses I see, the shot
column would only open up to about 7 inches in a cylinder
bored gun. I "think" that would be dead adversary if you are
using a 12 ga. Even with number eights you'd have good results
I "think".

I "know" to get good results using marginal loads you have to
aim the shotgun like a rifle to put the 7" pattern on target. I
"know" you have to identify the target prior to pulling the trigger.

If I'm in error, please educate me.
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I've read this whole string and note folks getting their panties
wadded by shot size. For most in house uses I see, the shot
column would only open up to about 7 inches in a cylinder
bored gun. I "think" that would be dead adversary if you are
using a 12 ga. Even with number eights you'd have good results
I "think".

I "know" to get good results using marginal loads you have to
aim the shotgun like a rifle to put the 7" pattern on target. I
"know" you have to identify the target prior to pulling the trigger.

If I'm in error, please educate me.
I "think" that's already happened in previous posts. Please start from the top.
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Birdshot is intended for use on small furry & feathered critters with rather fragile bone structure and vital organs close to the skin. The human body has a most robust thoracic bone structure and vital organs are much deeper in the body than said small critters. More to the point, a human is vastly more capable of inflicting fatal and/or serious bodily injury.

If you don't understand the difference in the problem, I doubt any of us are going to be able to educate you.

You also don't seem to grasp that you need good shot placement with fully capable loads of any type to achieve a stop.

Quoting Clint Smith: "It's your gunfight, lose it any way you want."
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If I'm in error, please educate me.
OK, let's try...

A shot pattern of about 7" is a little generous for most shotguns. Not unrealistic if you include absolutely every pellet. At least you're thinking reasonably. But this is for a 10 yard shot, most will be a lot closer.

The gauge of the shotgun is irrelevant. 1oz of shot from a 20 gauge is the same as 1oz of shot from a 12 gauge. The difference the gauge makes is in how much shot you can cram into one shell. The short version is you can get more in a 12ga. People think a 20ga kicks less than a 12ga because the standard 20ga load is only 7/8oz where a normal 12ga load is 1 1/8oz. It should be obvious that more mass equals more kick. There's a lot more to it than that, but that's it in a nutshell.

Why does 1 1/8oz of #7.5 not do as much damage as 1oz of 00 Buck?
The answer lies in the individual pellets. Looking at the chart above, we see that a #7.5 is only .095" in diameter while a 00Buck pellet is .33" in diameter. Basically a .1Cal vs a .33Cal projectile. Bigger equals more impact and better energy transfer.

Once the shot leaves the barrel of the shotgun, it starts to spread. Not just sideways, but lengthwise as well. So when it hits the target, each pellet has to be counted as an individual. You don't get better penetration just because there are more of them. The further away, the greater the affect of the spread. The more time between impacts, the greater the chance the target has to recover. At very close range, a yard or less, the 400 pellets from a 1 1/8oz load of #7.5 will do some serious damage. No one doubts that. But a load of 00Buck will do more damage because each individual pellet carries so much more mass.

At 10 yards, it's unlikely that a load of #7.5 shot will kill someone. If shot in the face, it would probably stop them, but if you miss...

At 10 yards, it's very likely that 9 pellets of 00 Buck will hit a vital organ and stop someone.

If you're pointing a shotgun at a bad guy it's because they're threatening your life. If you're life is on the line, do you want a tool that will probably slow the bad guy down? For me, I want the one that will guarantee a stop if I do my job and put a round on target.
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IMO, 20 gauge enough, but watch # of rounds. Some Mossberg youth models only hold 2 for a max of 3. If played safe, would only have 2. Not much if the shooter is inexperienced. I have a Remington 870 Express that holds 4, 5 max.
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Thanks for the clarification. It's much appreciated.
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Thanks all, for the suggestions. Daughter is an experienced and well
trained shooter (by me). Think she is leaning toward the Shock Wave,
and doubt she will have any problems handling it. I am strongly suggesting she try one before she buys.
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My daughter is considering a Shockwave or TAC 14 for home defense.
Do you have opinions on them? There seems to be plusses and Minusses
on both of them.
Have her stay away from those particular models, they are very hard to handle, unless the shooter is very experienced. The minuses FAR outweigh the pluses, IMO.

BTW, I highly recommend the Lucky Gunner video on shotguns posted earlier in this thread.

A youth 20 gauge from Mossberg or Remington should fit the bill. I prefer Mossberg because they use a tang safety, which is on the top rear of the receiver. It is easy to see and can be operated with your thumb so your grip on the gun doesn't change.

The idea of a semi-auto is intriguing, many beginners have a hard time racking a pump shotgun correctly (fast enough and with authority) and can have problems with malfunctions.

I use #4 or #6 birdshot, 2 3/4" non-magnum, around 1 oz. of shot ("Pheasant Loads" or Game Loads), at indoor ranges, 10-30 ft., the shot pattern is usually extremely tight. 1+ ounce of lead, whether it's in one piece, or a couple hundred can be lethal at close range. Also, birdshot does not have the over-penetration issues you'll have with buckshot.
Paul Harrell did a series of videos on YouTube where he demonstrates all this. Here's one of a series:

Finally, one CANNOT simply buy a shotgun (or any gun) with some ammunition and just put it in the closet for eventual use and expect to be anything but unsafe.
New shooters should learn the Universal Firearm Safety Rules, one of many good videos here:

Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice!!!!!!
Range time is extremely important, especially for a new shooter.
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I have... and a turkey is still a bird, and #4 turkey load is still bird shot. The pellet in #4 bird shot is less than half the size of #1 buck. Still not a reliable man stopper.
You have ZERO proof to back that up. 2 oz. of copper plated #4's will kill you graveyard dead at 20-30 feet.
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[QUOTE=6518John;140722219]PhilóI donít know how much experience your daughter has with guns but those shotguns are a handful. I think the regular stocked Remington 870 youth model 20 gauge is hard to beat.

This is one of the best gun articles I have ever read and by one of our Fourm members to boot.

I didnít read the article. Couple years ago I bought a 870ga for multipurpose gun. A little lighter than a 12 gauge. Maybe less recoil. Good for the bride. With the slugs I needed for hog hunting it recoiled more than my 12ga because of the guns lighter weight.
Btw in certain circles I know of, a 20 gauge coach gun is a decent and acceptable house warming for a family that husband is not always around. Easy to operate, low recoil
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You have ZERO proof to back that up. 2 oz. of copper plated #4's will kill you graveyard dead at 20-30 feet.
Actually, if you do a little research and review gelatin tests, you would find all the proof that you are wrong.

Look at this video for example. From 10 ft, the #4 shot load penetrated the gel 8". That falls way short of the FBI recommendation of 12". Could it stop a threat? Possibly. Would it be recommended as a load that will penetrate enough to stop a threat reliably? No.

If #4 bird shot is so effective, why are there no LE loads for it? I can find LE load for 00 buck, #1 buck, and even #4 buck. I've never seen a bird shot load marketed for LE use or self defense use! There must be a reason for that...

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I remember as a kid opening up shells and dumping out small shot and putting in BBs and recrimping by hand. I shot an abandoned outhouse and the shot went through one wall. That's the only penetration test I have done but it leads me too believe that it would leave a pretty big mark on a person. Larry
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Ah, that must be what they call shooting the ----?
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I remember as a kid opening up shells and dumping out small shot and putting in BBs and recrimping by hand. I shot an abandoned outhouse and the shot went through one wall. That's the only penetration test I have done but it leads me too believe that it would leave a pretty big mark on a person. Larry
If your goal is to "leave a pretty big mark", then just about any load would work.
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I certain areas of the country, rural America the shotgun has never been forgotten. It doesnít have to be rediscovered. Inside of most HD distances a high brass load of #4s or bigger will discourage the bad guys. Yea you might get attacked by ninja turtles but shotgun will make normal humans fairly sick when hit with a load of any shot at close range.
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...a high brass load...
This is another myth with shotgun shells.

Shot shells typically have brass or steel bases. The height of the base is a marketing tool, nothing more. Typically, factory shells with a taller base have a higher powder charge and are therefore, faster shells. However, it's the chamber that contains the pressure, not the base of the shell. So, high or low brass can have exactly the same charge.

In fact, there are some shells out there with no brass or steel. They are 100% plastic and they work just fine.

What really matters is the DREQ or FPS of the shell. The faster the load, the more powerful it will be with that particular shot amount.
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This is another myth with shotgun shells.

Shot shells typically have brass or steel bases. The height of the base is a marketing tool, nothing more. Typically, factory shells with a taller base have a higher powder charge and are therefore, faster shells. However, it's the chamber that contains the pressure, not the base of the shell. So, high or low brass can have exactly the same charge.

In fact, there are some shells out there with no brass or steel. They are 100% plastic and they work just fine.

What really matters is the DREQ or FPS of the shell. The faster the load, the more powerful it will be with that particular shot amount.
I think most who shoot shotguns know the difference between the different loads. In shotgun country Hi Brass means a heavy load for hunting purposes. Although if one starts will technical stuff about chamber pressure and velocity nobody will know what you are talking about and care less.
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I think most who shoot shotguns know the difference between the different loads.
If this were a true statement, we wouldn't constantly have discussions about bird shot being considered adequate for defensive purposes.
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I've always had a shotgun close at hand for home defense as well as a trusty S&W revolver. That shotgun being a youth model 20ga Mossberg 500.
I recently acquired this Circa 1970's Mossberg 500ATP. It was imported - purportedly used by the Malaysian army. Extended tube with bayonet M16 mounting lug. Bluing is all gone if it ever had any and the furniture is worn. Overall shape is fair to good but the action and internals are all working well.
Bayonet. Now we're talking CQC.
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I have a Mossberg 500 "riot gun" that I inherited from my dad. It has some type of rough coating on it I think to protect it from the elements, as Dad had it on a boat. Anyway, I took it to the range a while back with some low recoil 00 buck (12ga), and some standard field loads with #8 shot. The low recoil loads we fairly pleasant to shoot, but the field loads were brutal. I could not believe the difference in the recoil. I keep it loaded with the low recoil buck. But,wow, at 7 yards, either load shredded the target. I apologized to the attendant for the mess I made, but it was fun.
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Try some full power slugs.
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I went to my shop and gathered some wood scraps - very well seasoned oak around 3/4" thick. Shot them at 10 yds with #6 game loads. Penetration of isolated shot into the oak was about 1/4", except near "ground zero" where the amount of energy dumped tends to split the boards into pieces.
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12 Gauge is pretty incredible in the way that it has its own dedicated Caliber Wars, and the arguments, anecdotal evidence, and confirmation biased within is even more ridiculous because it's freakin' 12 Gauge!

Honestly, it's the most nonsensical thing next to arguments over which .45-70 load is most effective for deer hunting, except at least in those arguments nobody attempts to argue that any particular load is ineffective because they actually shoot deer and thus know that any .45-70 will easily drop a buck.

Honestly, there needs to be a rule, unspoken or otherwise, that if your argument is that something "might not be effective" under certain circumstances, than your argument is invalid and automatically discarded because it's effectively a non-argument.
There's nothing more pointless than the ever popular excuse for a counter-argument that is; "Yeah well, it might not be effective 100% of the time under every single scenario including extremely unlikely ones, ergo you're a fool if you use it and I use something else because I'm smarter than you!" yet in any given thread regarding Self-Defense, somebody is bound to make it. Bonus points when it involves absurdly specific scenarios which assert an overwhelming disadvantage and can be summed up as; "Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies".
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I just bought my last gun for quite a while, but I've been thinking I really want one of these for home defense.

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You can put me in the fool catagory, I keep 7.5 shot as the first couple of rounds in my Charles Daly Honch 410 with a PDX as the final in the tube. Since the gun sits there with no expectation of use I don't put 5 rounds in it. I also don't have a room or hallway longer than 10 feet in the house so I don't have to worry about how much spread or power loss at 20 plus feet. If I need to reach out and touch someone from longer distances then I get a rifle or one of my 460 magnum revolvers that are loaded with 200 grain FTX's.
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It's a bit off topic, but Dave Chapelle's most recent comedy show on Netflix (Sticks and Stones) had a pretty hilarious explanation of how loads his home defense shotgun.

It's a pretty hilarious, obscene, and offensive bit, so don't watch if that doesn't sound appealing.
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