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Looks like its not recommended by some expert gunfighters for law enforcement applications.
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I agree with you. They can access your pistol from behind you just as easily or more than from cross draw. I carried cross draw for years as a Customs officer working in crowds. You don't want to have someone behind you when you are searching a car. As far as drawing having reach your pistol holstered on your strong side takes just as long as from a cross draw. Plus you can have your hand naturally positioned across your waist to where it is easy to draw without giving your intention away. Also blocking access with your strong arm. Go with what feels good to you and practice, practice. It isn't likely you will need to be a fast draw. If you draw too fast you might regret it. Use your head. Be alert.

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If crossdraw is vulnerable to a front snatch, how is 3 or 4 o'clock not vulnerable to a rear snatch? Even 1 or 2 o'clock could be snatched. I know a woman who was robbed in broad daylight in a busy parking lot. The guy came up and gave her a hard body block from the rear.

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My arms are too short for crossdraw.... NO IT'S NOT THAT I'M FAT
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I pocket carry so If someone manages to reach in and grab my pistol they'd better buy me dinner first.
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Sorry, but I need to add my two cents.

I think part of the concern over not drawing from a shoulder holster or crossdraw holster goes hand-in-hand with the rise in popularity of the action pistol games where the shooter is ultimately trying to beat the clock. In this situation, it isn't just the person behind and to the left of the shooter being swept by the muzzle, but also the shooter themselves.

In the quest for the fastest time starting from the leather, the question has to be, when does the trigger finger discipline transition to trigger engagement? When I started shooting PPC in the '90s, I was allowed to use an open trigger holster, that is now prohibited at many matches.

Looking at this from a range officer's perspective, I can envision a semi-auto being a bit more touchy, (and if an SA auto the thumb safety getting clicked off) and a trigger finger engaging the trigger before the muzzle is pointed safely down range as the shooter tried to outshoot Jerry Michulek!

Two questions need to be answered honestly by the person drawing from either a shoulder holster or crossdraw:
1) where in the entirety of the draw is your support arm/hand, and
2) in the adrenaline fueled excitement, when does your trigger finger discipline stop?

Don't get me wrong, I can see a time and place for drawing from a shoulder holster or crossdraw holster. I am not against the practice, just trying to offer an explanation as to why the practice is discouraged.
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Said it before, you can "what if" yourself into never leaving the house. If cross draw works for you, roll with it.
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I’ve been carrying cross draw lately as my strong side shoulder has been hurting and it’s difficult to draw from that side.
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I would have a cross draw holster for my model 36 but they just aren't popular enough to have a good selection. A custom made holster would be the only option and I don't know any holster makers. Always preferred OC shoulder holsters for heavier pistols and revolvers and cross draw for CC. But then what do I know.

People are like sheep. Mostly they believe whatever they read or what trainers tell them. The mantra has been that cross draw is bad for awhile now. I'm really not sure where that got started. Probably the same place that shotguns are best for home defense. The internet probably killed the cross draw holster.
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My EDC is strong side 3.oclock.
My woods gun is cross draw so I can carry my rifle strong arm and allows for an easier draw while sitting on a stool.
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I've been thinkin' of making myself a cross draw for my snubby and I have a coupla patterns I've been considering. I'll probably make myself one of each and see how I like it.
This one's on a matching ranger belt, has a bit of reverse cant and molded in retention.


Looks like it tucks in nicely for concealability.


This one has a lot more cant and a thumb break. Doesn't seems as concealable as the first one though.


I've been carrying my snubby in this.


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About all shoulder holsters are cross draw and I've used them fine. I successfully used a belt cross draw for a long barreled target 22 as a field gun and a slim Jim holster for long barreled cap & ball.
I think CD got a bad rap from 1950s ?? detectives with poor, if any retention. Detectives have to get up close to question people... within grabbing distance.
CC is different.
Personally, I carried my 3" M66 on foot and horseback at 3 o'clock OWB with a thumbsnap holster.
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I am not an authority on cross draw, strong side carry 12 o'clock carry or any carry. I carry at about 3:30 because it what I am comfortable with. If I decide to carry differently, I will need to spend a lot of time training myself to the new carry method. I am an advocate that you carry what your comfortable with and carry it where you feel the best.
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The pictures are from Jordan's book. FitzGeralds book shows to move your left hip toward the person you are talking to. If you have to draw simply grasp the grip and move your left hip back pulling the holster away from the gun and pull the trigger. There are severe limitations to all carry positions. Anything from 3 to 9 o'clock you can be approached from behind and snatched. Any position wil be difficult or impossible to draw from if you are knocked down on your holster or have your arm pinned on whatever side you need to access your handgun. With an auto loader if you are too close the slide being pushed out of battery deactivates it , grabbing a revolver cylinder stops rotation and locks it up. There is a what if and solution and down side for everything. Practice social distancing be aware of what is going on around you. Know your equipment, practice and THINK.
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My EDC is strong side 3.oclock.
My woods gun is cross draw so I can carry my rifle strong arm and allows for an easier draw while sitting on a stool.
To each his own.
If I am carrying a rifle, I have no use for a hand gun. But like you said, "To each his own."
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I don't care what 1sailor does . His choice his concerns . My primary problem is the belt over the holster too . The leather belt holes tabs on the holster do stand out . If he going to CC then just carry in a IWB cross draw and maybe no loose cover would be needed . I would like to see him reholster when he's running a draw and fire drill ! Also How he clears that shirt or jack when cold and closed up , I'll bet that owb rig will close right up when the snubbys drawn too .

4011 I carry a full size 4" 40sw at 3:00 high on my side and have no issues drawing while seat belted . Just clear my shirt from under the belt as you would with any CC rig . If I see a reason to be concerned I can tuck a small part of my shirt tail behind the holsters body guard for a clean draw and still conceal it well with just my arm .
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Warren Sear I carry my normal 4" 40sw when hunting with a rifle . When stalk hunting or walking to and from a stand my rifle is carried across my chest mostly hands free on a ( boonie packer safari sling ) for the last 30 years . From climbing stand or ladder stand I have taken deer directly below me with my carry pistol . Not a good time to try to stand and move to shoot straight down with a rifle . MY day pack waist strap rides at my normal belt line just a little loose so walking with it not an issue ..

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Why not carry both, strong side and crossdraw, then you can go to the one that is quickest for the situation. Also, the weight will help balance out the other one. Not to mention, the fastest reload is another gun.

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If he going to CC then just carry in a IWB cross draw and maybe no loose cover would be needed . I would like to see him reholster when he's running a draw and fire drill ! Also How he clears that shirt or jack when cold and closed up , I'll bet that owb rig will close right up when the snubbys drawn too .
For some reason, I don't see the need to re-holster quickly. In a self defense situation, deploying the firearm is what matters, you can take you time re-holstering. Now if in a LEO or military gun fight, this might matter.

That being said, I prefer my holster outside the belt. But that is just me.

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I've been carrying this little Hunter rig cross draw, with either a CA Undercover, or S&W Chiefs Special, for years while driving.

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This is my solution for the car. My leg hides it when seated.
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When I started in ‘68 cross draw, even in plain clothes, was not allowed. The reason we were given was it was faster to access our gun strong side, and shoulder holsters were not allowed for on duty use by detectives.
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rosewood Where did you get the impression I reholster quickly !!??

I just that I don't want to have to work at reholstering by opening up a closed leather holster pulling in open as the OP's will be when the holster is removed .

So you like owb ! Do you need to wear a extra cover or looser top shirt . IF not your a lucky guy .

I used one brand of Hybrid iwb for the last 17 years and reholstering does not take loosening of my belt or working to reholster or doing it like what ?? Nor do I try to be speed racer you seems to think when reholstering ? Just a slower smooth push into my holster that remains open when handguns drawn .

Also zero need for a car holster specially one that SHOW'S the trigger exposed !!

My pistol rides high enough on my side to be out of the way of my seatbelt and still in a natural position for me that makes it easy to draw still .

Now show use how you carry your second handgun to balance out your load as mention in tread above !! My zt pocket knife ,extra mag or keys change and pd35 light coves most of my balance my load needs .

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rosewood Where did you get the impression I reholster quickly !!??

I just that I don't want to have to work at reholstering by opening up a closed leather holster pulling in open as the OP's will be when the holster is removed .

So you like owb ! Do you need to wear a extra cover or looser top shirt . IF not your a lucky guy .

I used one brand of Hybrid iwb for the last 17 years and reholstering does not take loosening of my belt or working to reholster or doing it like what ?? Nor do I try to be speed racer you seems to think when reholstering ? Just a slower smooth push into my holster that remains open when handguns drawn .

Also zero need for a car holster specially one that SHOW'S the trigger exposed !!

My pistol rides high enough on my side to be out of the way of my seatbelt and still in a natural position for me that makes it easy to draw still .

Now show use how you carry your second handgun to balance out your load as mention in tread above !! My zt pocket knife ,extra mag or keys change and pd35 light coves most of my balance my load needs .
I do wear an extra cover, either loose shirt or traveler's vest which has become part of my daily attire.

I do have an aliengear cloak tuck for hot summer when I need to carry without additional cover, but I still prefer OWB. Much more comfortable and easier on the draw.

The gun wasn't pushed in all the way is why the trigger was exposed, but it doesn't matter, you grab with your right hand and draw just like you would off the hip. In my truck or on the motorcycle, drawing from the hip isn't a problem. However, the seat in my car is much tighter fit and much more difficult to reach the gun. Also, if I have on cover, you have to get that out of the way before drawing, much harder to do with a seatbelt on. With the mount on the hump, I can draw that pistol virtually unnoticed with no obstructions and nothing to possibly catch the trigger on.

I was being facetious about carrying the second handgun and balancing the load.

Sounds like I rubbed you wrong from your response. That wasn't my intention and I apologize.



This is what I referred to holstering quickly, maybe I misread your post.

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I use cross-draw holsters for convenience and consistency — John Bianchi's RULE #1.

I sit a lot — in chairs and in my 4Runner. Having identified no way to smoothly draw a handgun in an armchair without getting up, I ruled out strong side.

When carrying a handgun while woods walking and hunting, a cross-draw holster is, again, more convenient than strong side. The longer the handgun, the more convenient becomes cross-draw.

For all cross-draw carry except my SP101 3-inch, Red Nichols' CD-xxx series of cross-draw holsters are the cat's meow. They ride high on belt. Their design keeps holster tightly against my body. And losing the handgun is extremely difficult with or without its safety strap because of the pull-through spring system. While I have used CD-123 and CD-125 as EDC cross-draw, Mark at Lobo worked with me to create an egregiously efficient cross-draw holster for my SP101. I hope he kept it available for others.

Drill from a chair is straightforward. I emphasize smoothness rather than speed.

Drill when standing is again emphasizing smoothness rather than speed. Since the revolver is concealed, having it materialize unexpectedly is whatever advantage I might have. Drill emphasizes shooting from belt level. I am little concerned with antagonists 15 yards away. Instinctive shooting practice is geared toward an antagonist within 15 feet. I also practice pivoting and sliding. I don't draw across my body. I pivot or slide my position that I am shooting along side. Think of a duelist's position relative to his opponent — but gun cross-drawn and at belt level. Additional range practice is for shooting up to 50 yards. SP101's bobbed hammer I can cock only with a two-handed grip. The ideas being my hormones will be dumping into my system at a slower rate, allowing me perhaps better single action shooting. Oh yes, I enjoy the change of pace.
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A Tennessee pal's custom cross-draws have served me well enough to prevent my asking "How d'ya like my holster, now?"
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Ah, if only you could count the bad guys that have been gunned down from the armchair. I try not to shoot more than one bad guy a week, I hate paper work.
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This whole thread reminded me of an old story.

An hapless recruit watched a drill sergeant demonstrate how to snatch a rifle from an oponent's hands hit him with the butt and stab him with the bayonet.

The drill sergeant then walked to him and said "I'm an enemy soldier facing you. What are you gonna do with that rifle soldier?

Well. I'm going to throw it to the ground before you steal it from me and kill me with it.
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Come on guys... those who've never had to draw in a hurry for defense (whether the attacking critter was 2 or 4 legged) are giving advice w/out experiencing the real thing (yes, I have twice). A right side hip holstered gun can be taken away as easily as a cross draw by hanging onto the right hand (ever wonder why LEO's don't like to shake hands?). Use what works for you & practice. I usually carry in a chest/shoulder rig, works well from my truck, tractor, a horse & can be drawn by either hand.
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I almost always use CD when ahorseback....

Out of the way to handle a rope and I can draw my sidearm with either hand.{snip}
As @keith44spl says, I like to carry where I can draw with either hand. When I was young, I learned to fight and shoot with both hands. In old age the habit sticks.

At the range I practice shooting with both hands, including firing my carbines and shotgun from left and right sides. Accuracy suffers some when shooting a pistol with non-dominant hand only, but close enough for government work.

Carry and draw as you prefer; my point being you never know when you may need your firearm. Be prepared to draw and fire with either hand when things go south. Cross draw carry might help you draw off-hand, if needed.

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Crossdraw on the Border.
That Mexican sure likes his ammo. Glad they were “getting along “ considering the hostilities still in progress.
I don’t think that border fence would pass muster today, although in some places it still might!
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That Mexican sure likes his ammo.
Long way back to the armory.
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Please look at the pic below and then explain some of these reasons to me because I'm just not seeing it.
You never state whether you carry open or concealed. There is a difference. What they don't see they can't grab! You do show 'open' carry in the photo.
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A lot depends on your build.

Crossdraw is easier for skinny people. Less belly to reach around.
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