Sounds more like a flicked Bic moment with a can of AquaNet!

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It is hard, if not impossible, to go wrong with the simple .38 Special. We cycle out what we keep handy here at the house but currently it is a few both Colt and S&W .38s loaded. The little spent so far of stimulus money was for 1,000 rounds of Federal 158 grain LSWCHP + P to have a standard load for the .38s here plus it works well in the .357s we have. The main weapon here is a Mossberg 590 but Wendy says I have to handle that one. The recoil with 2.75" buck shot is not too much for her but with short arms she would have to angle the gun to pump it without short stroking it.

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She doesn't need a gun....you shoot a child and your behind is in trouble .
She needs a video camera and trail camers set in places to record what he does . She keeps a camera on her person...record the run downs .
Document every incident , report every incident with recordings .
Show the judge ...show the jury ... video camer footage is very hard to refute .
Don't fall for the I'll just shoot him ... this ain't The OK Corral and she ain't Wyatt Earp .
Video footage is your best witness ... I've sat on a jury , the camera didn't lie and the guy went to prison .
Gary

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It is the job of law enforcement. Talk to the chief then the mayor. shooting him is bad advice.

I kind of like the idea of a shotgun and a backhoe.

Okay, where am I right now, the Twilight Zone? I just can't believe the sheer amount of paranoia and contradictory statements going on here.

It's honestly surreal being on the Self-Defense subforum of a firearms forum and seeing so many folks advising against Self-Defense.

Seriously, nobody is advising the woman to shoot the guy on sight, the gun is just a last resort in case this guy tries to run her down, but you guys speak as if she'd be better off dead than face the courtroom boogeyman.
She's an elderly woman caring for special needs children, guys! What jury would side with a punk on an ATV who was trespassing on private property over her?

Lastly, are you people unaware of the contradiction that is relying on the same justice system for protection that you believe will be your undoing should you exercise your right to defend your own life?

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I always enjoy your perspective, but I think you lost track of context here. A couple things....

1) Where does it say anywhere in the thread the lady here is elderly? I didn't see it. She could have grand kids and only be 40.

2) I also think what the lady should do and what involvement the OP should have are two completely different things. On this forum we discuss every once and awhile about how risky and potentially foolish getting involved in a third party SD encounter is. Here you have a person the OP does business with (not a family member) dragging him into slow moving train wreck of a third party encounter. Why is that his business? Why would it be any less foolish for him to get involved here as opposed to getting involved outside a bar.

The lady has a legal problem with a homicidal sociopath. She needs to get advice from her lawyer, the police, and the county attorney, not one of her customers.

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She might be subject to retaliation and might need to defend herself. Granted. Slimy troublemakers can do a lot of harm in a barn. My grandpa always help a break action shotgun handy. A 38 isn't a bad idea either.
But serial trespassers, vandals, assailants should be documented every time, reported every time. If she doesn't, then it didn't happen. If there ever comes to be a problem with this troublemaker, his long record of harassment will bit him in the ***.
The perimeter needs to be securely fenced, blocked, what ever, not just posted. I'd suggest metal farm gates and serious locks.
I had horses, we were to primitive encampments and shoots and my horses learned to be around gunfire. I wouldn't shoot around animals loose in the same pasture, they were fine in a neighboring field.

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@Ziggy2525

The OP made it his business the moment he came asking for advice here. I don't expect his involvement in the matter to go any deeper than that, but so long as he asks for advice and folks continue giving advice which I feel is motivated by fear or indifference, I will offer mins from the perspective of a man who doesn't base his decisions on what is the path of least resistance, but rather the one that keeps people safe, because believe it or not, I care. I don't know this woman, but I'm still concerned for her safety, and I can't agree with this absurd notion that she ought to walk around unarmed while a dangerous man who has already threatened her life is on the loose.

Sure, she should put up trail cams, read up on local laws regarding Self-Defense, etc, but she should get the gun first and foremost just in case this creep shows up in the meantime. I doubt this guy is just going to conveniently stay away while she makes all the necessary preparations to deal with the legal side of the situation, so rather than have her get caught off guard in a situation in which her only change of survival is to stop the threat, I'd recommend that she gets a gun in advance of anything else.

Yes, the TC should inform her not to get trigger-happy or start brandishing her gun at this guy, but to keep it holstered unless it is absolutely required, and maybe even give her a little crash course on firearms safety over the phone or whatever, but she should still have it.
She asked him for help and clearly intends on getting a firearm, so her decision ought to be respected, as should the decision of anyone who seeks to exercise the Second Amendment rights and defend themselves from criminals. So he should lead by giving her the advice she requested first, then follow through with additional suggestions regarding how to avoid or otherwise approach the legal side of a potential self-defense shooting.
If her talks down to her like some of these folks suggest by trying to dissuade her from purchasing a firearm for self-defense, then he'd be doing her a disservice at best, potentially endangering her at worst.

If certain men would rather face the reaper than a prosecutor, then that's their prerogative, but when they start pushing their opinions as the only correct opinion, complete with contradictory statements regarding how the same justice system which they clearly believe is just as likely to crucify you as protect you, that's when I cannot in good conscience say nothing.
Their suggestions may seem logical and sound enough on the surface, but they lack compassion nor conviction. They aren't concerned with this woman's safety, nor for her grandchildren, they aren't thinking about all of the people who might be devastated by their possible murder, they're just thinking about the financial expenses of a lawsuit and driven by their own unwillingness to contend with the law and fight for their rights against corrupt and dishonest men within the judiciary system.

As for why I assume that she's an elderly woman. Well, I guess I'm just old school. I grew up in a time in which grandmothers were generally old women, (or at least the ones I knew were) so the word "grandmother" is synonymous with old lady to me.

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Violent felon threatening an old woman is definitely grounds for them to take action....

In Texas I would be perfectly fine carrying a firearm on my own property and using it to protect myself and my family in the event they feared serious bodily harm. That's what I would do - in Texas.

But New Jersey has different laws and different opinions of firearm use than Texas does. I would make sure it is legal to carry on her property in New Jersey before recommending any kind of firearm. It's most assuredly not legal to shoot some one for trespass, but it is legal to defend yourself and your family from death or serious bodily harm IN MOST PLACES - probably even in New Jersey.

Assuming it's legal for her to carry on her property, most anyone can learn to shoot a full size 9mm fairly well. Nice long sight radius for added accuracy, a heavy-ish pistol for recoil damping, and easily available and relatively inexpensive ammo.

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The laborer is worthy of his wage.

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I would definitely set up cameras and other devices to record and document. I would also have a weapon handy, however with them not being gun people they need to become such and know and be able to use the firearm of whatever type. It is great to have video to provide to authorities but if the person tries something of a bad nature what are you going to say to them, you better not do that, my trail cam is recording this like it is a talisman?

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S&WCA 3110 S&WHF 625

If she's in New Jersey....
I'll be surprised if the local police think she has a "good reason" for a permit. And I think you're putting the cart before the horse. See if she manages to get her permits first, then worry about what gun she should have.

True, I used to quail hunt from horse-back.
However, the first time I fired a shotgun while mounted
was a real adventure let me tell you.

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Reminds of a saying I heard years ago when I first moved down south.
It pertained to a person that was like the trespasser.
General consensuses of the people were, "He needs to be squirrel hunted".

I admit I haven't read all the posts...


I would still recommend the shotgun. If your life is in danger, you need to stop the bad guy. Nothing says go away and leave me alone like a 12ga. The second person is irrelevant. Yes, it's horrible that he's put this kind in harms way, but we're talking about the woman saving her life and those of her family.

The pistol doesn't solve the "save the kid" issue either. Just because it's one bullet doesn't mean she won't hit the kid.

Moreover, if she's not in serious danger, she shouldn't use a gun anyway. If she uses the gun to threaten the guy, then she's the assailant.

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I don't understand the response she got from law enforcement. Has she tried reaching higher the chain of command?

Is it possible that where she lives might have concurrent jurisdiction? Has she tried another law enforcement agency?

So far she's not being served very well by her local PD.

Can't see any further confrontation ending well for all involved.

I would especially caution about stringing cables that might be considered "man traps". A cable, hit at speed, can decapitate a man. Last time I looked, trespassing isn't a capital offense. Which is why I suggested metal farm gates. Some kind of physical barrier like huge rocks they can't fit between or run over is an idea.

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