Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > General Topics > Concealed Carry & Self Defense

Notices

Concealed Carry & Self Defense All aspects of Concealed and Open Carry, Home and Self Defense.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-12-2020, 10:55 AM
lrrifleman's Avatar
lrrifleman lrrifleman is offline
Member
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Southern NJ
Posts: 4,684
Likes: 19,020
Liked 4,190 Times in 1,865 Posts
Default Has anyone ever encountered this ...

Good morning! After reviewing a post by another forum member where his thesis seemed to be that the Model 60 was a better carry choice than a Sig P365, it got me thinking.

I don't remember ever seeing it mentioned here, but has anyone here ever experienced a hangfire (delayed detonation) during a rapid fire string with a revolver? As a target shooter, I remember the constant reminders of waiting 4-5 seconds before opening the action. I can only imagine how disastrous it would be to have a delayed ignition when the cylinder is either off-center of the forcing cone or when in alignment with the frame during a self-defense encounter.

Has anyone ever experienced this?
__________________
Judge control not gun control!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #2  
Old 05-12-2020, 11:54 AM
Inusuit's Avatar
Inusuit Inusuit is offline
Member
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: SE Wyoming
Posts: 2,983
Likes: 4,748
Liked 4,791 Times in 1,679 Posts
Default

Our local NRA Basic Pistol Class provides S&W .38 Special revolvers for use by students. The class has been running 25 years, four sessions of 10 students per year. Each student fires 200 rounds per class session. If my math is good, that amounts to 200,000 rounds. Never had a hang fire. Have had a squib or two over time, always caught by the line coach.

I carry a revolver occasionally and have never worried about a hang fire with quality factory ammunition or my reloads.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #3  
Old 05-12-2020, 12:01 PM
Injunbro Injunbro is offline
Member
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 365
Likes: 3,062
Liked 779 Times in 238 Posts
Default

I've had squibs twice in over 40 years of shooting, the only hangfire was w/ a muzzleloader. It could happen w/ either revolver or auto... us Injuns carry knives that won't jam, misfire, etc. because even bowstrings break.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #4  
Old 05-12-2020, 12:06 PM
ImprovedModel56Fan ImprovedModel56Fan is offline
US Veteran
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MA
Posts: 7,350
Likes: 7,540
Liked 5,590 Times in 2,562 Posts
Default

The only time I experienced a hang fire was when firing at the range some orphaned and ancient cartridges my LGS let me have specifically because he knew that I knew how to handle them. I forget how I knew, but some had been in the military. A few did hangfire, the longest for well over a second.
__________________
Formerly Model520Fan
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #5  
Old 05-12-2020, 12:06 PM
gwpercle's Avatar
gwpercle gwpercle is offline
Member
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Baton Rouge, La.
Posts: 6,874
Likes: 7,481
Liked 8,135 Times in 3,678 Posts
Default

Like Big Foot ...heard about the dreaded "Hang Fire" but have never experienced one or been at the range or in the field when another shooter experienced one .
50 years a shooter , hunter and competitor (NRA Bullseye) ...
I'll believe in them just as soon as I see or experience one .
Gary
__________________
Certified Cajun
NRA Member
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #6  
Old 05-12-2020, 12:09 PM
jimmyj's Avatar
jimmyj jimmyj is offline
Member
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: May 2003
Location: DUNNELLON, FLORIDA USA
Posts: 11,114
Likes: 1,691
Liked 16,323 Times in 4,240 Posts
Default

In the event that happens to me during a gunfight with a jealous husband or boyfriend, I will have a freshly soiled depends to throw at my opponent
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 05-12-2020, 12:11 PM
Rule3's Avatar
Rule3 Rule3 is offline
Member
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 22,089
Likes: 10,801
Liked 15,516 Times in 6,802 Posts
Default

One can get a hang fire in a semi auto as well.or you can get a stovepipe and it jams,
Stuff happens but it is not something I would worry about if using good ammo and the gun is in proper working order.

Sometime people go out and their car will not start o it just stops running. Stuff happens (again)Never had a "hangfire" but have had a squib in a revolver, locks it right up!
__________________
Still Running Against the Wind

Last edited by Rule3; 05-12-2020 at 12:13 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 05-12-2020, 03:57 PM
Sevens Sevens is offline
Member
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7,858
Likes: 9,476
Liked 14,860 Times in 5,052 Posts
Default

I started metallic handloading as a 16 year old in 1989 and best deep-dive guess mixed with record keeping suggests that my output has been beyond 150,000 rounds. Low number for any competition shooter but perhaps a fairly high number for a hobbyist with limited opportunities to go shooting.

In my shooting lifetime AND excluding rimfire ammo, I’d say that 95% of my live fire has been my own handloads.

I have experienced -ONE- hang fire in my life. As I recall, talking about maybe a half second from hammer drop to BANG.

S&W 460XVR. Cause was either stuck corn media in the flash hole or weak roll crimp or a combination of both. I think, maybe, possibly.

It was concerning. I most definitely wasn’t in a string of rapid fire with a .460 Magnum.

By the numbers, it is something I am aware of, but not what I consider a real threat or problem.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #9  
Old 05-12-2020, 04:31 PM
ContinentalOp's Avatar
ContinentalOp ContinentalOp is offline
Member
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 6,315
Likes: 13,115
Liked 12,802 Times in 4,228 Posts
Default

Never experienced it. Never had a squib load, either. *knocks on wood*

The closest situation I had was shooting some ammo, that sounded a bit weak. Turned out to be defective cases that ruptured when fired. I had to use pliers to pull them out of the cylinder. Fortunately, no injuries and no damage to the chambers. I also got a refund from the manufacturer for all of the remaining lot of that ammo.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #10  
Old 05-12-2020, 04:49 PM
sigp220.45's Avatar
sigp220.45 sigp220.45 is offline
US Veteran
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 8,109
Likes: 27,921
Liked 33,848 Times in 5,284 Posts
Default

I had never had a hangfire until about a year ago when I got a Carcano cavalry carbine for a hundred bucks and decided I had to shoot it. It will only work with a little sheetmetal clip that falls out of the bottom of the mag when the last round is chambered, so I was stuck with ancient Italian military 7.35 ammo.

Almost every round would go click.........bang. They all went off eventually though.
__________________
“What you got, ain’t new.”
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #11  
Old 05-12-2020, 09:55 PM
Buick Buick is offline
Member
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Beautiful Eastern NC
Posts: 727
Likes: 173
Liked 1,602 Times in 450 Posts
Default

Used to have hangfires about every other round with some old .303 British from 1944. Interesting. I did have a squib while shooting a home built semi auto sten gun. Bullet lodge in the barrel and iij triggered another one behind it. The casing exploded and a small jagged piece slid up under the skin of my neck
Below my right ear. Interesting the relief one feels when the blood trickles out instead of spraying.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-12-2020, 10:50 PM
Goldstar225 Goldstar225 is offline
Member
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Austin, AR
Posts: 1,400
Likes: 1,621
Liked 2,425 Times in 750 Posts
Default

If I'm in the middle of a gunfight, probably the least of my concerns at that moment will be a hangfire.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-13-2020, 09:10 AM
Rule3's Avatar
Rule3 Rule3 is offline
Member
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 22,089
Likes: 10,801
Liked 15,516 Times in 6,802 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ContinentalOp View Post
Never experienced it. Never had a squib load, either. *knocks on wood*

The closest situation I had was shooting some ammo, that sounded a bit weak. Turned out to be defective cases that ruptured when fired. I had to use pliers to pull them out of the cylinder. Fortunately, no injuries and no damage to the chambers. I also got a refund from the manufacturer for all of the remaining lot of that ammo.

By definition, that still is a "squib" load. Any under powered round is a squib
__________________
Still Running Against the Wind
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #14  
Old 05-13-2020, 09:41 AM
growr growr is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Montana
Posts: 5,164
Likes: 3,441
Liked 6,258 Times in 2,063 Posts
Default

NEVER..............I don't know anyone else that has either. Have been a competitive shooter and instructor since the 80's and either fired a gazillion rounds or surrounded by others that also fired a gazillion rounds.....NEVER.

Randy

Last edited by growr; 05-13-2020 at 09:43 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-13-2020, 10:08 AM
ContinentalOp's Avatar
ContinentalOp ContinentalOp is offline
Member
Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ... Has anyone ever encountered this ...  
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 6,315
Likes: 13,115
Liked 12,802 Times in 4,228 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rule3 View Post
By definition, that still is a "squib" load. Any under powered round is a squib
Ok. Thanks. I always thought a squib load was when the bullet got stuck in the barrel. That didn't happen in my case.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Just Encountered a New SPAM BigBoy99 The Lounge 16 08-23-2019 02:28 PM
New Scam Encountered. Tom S. The Lounge 16 05-08-2019 06:51 PM
I encountered some ignorance at the grocery store today! madmikeb The Lounge 179 04-12-2012 11:38 PM
*Seldom encountered* S&W J-frame forging Andy Griffith GUNS - For Sale or Trade 0 05-18-2011 11:16 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:54 AM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)