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Old 05-18-2020, 01:25 PM
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We seen a lot of posts regarding carrying guns for "two legged predators" Has anyone ever had to, or come close to actually having to use their gun for that purpose?
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Not as a civilian I'm pleased to say.
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Very close in LE, could have a few times...Held a gunpoint numerous times.
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Apparently nobody has ever told you how rude and uncouth it is to ask an individual if they've ever used a firearm on another human. I've got a ton of vet and LE buddies that would slap the taste out of your mouth if you asked this question to their faces.
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Yes, 4 times in 40 odd years.

An attempted burglary & auto theft in the late 1970s, an unprovoked attack by a bunch of drunks in a parking lot in very early 1980s, another attempted burglary in the mid 1980s, and a attempted car jacking in the mid 1990s. Nothing in the last 20 plus years.

I fortunately never had to fire, but was a split second away from being forced to do so.

There were other incidents were I did not present a weapon, but I was very happy I had one.

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Fortunately, no.

Generally speaking, most folks who aren't involved with the criminal element, avoid dangerous places where criminals are known to dwell in, and don't look like an easy target most likely won't end up in a situation in which a firearm must be used to fend off an attacker.
However, it can still happen, which is why I carry a firearm with me everyday, literally everywhere I go, including inside my own home. (Seriously, even when I get up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom I grab my Ruger LCP off the dresser and carry it with me.)
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Apparently nobody has ever told you how rude and uncouth it is to ask an individual if they've ever used a firearm on another human. I've got a ton of vet and LE buddies that would slap the taste out of your mouth if you asked this question to their faces.
The answer is voluntary, and somewhat anonymous; and this is a completely different case.

And if you have LE buddies that would assault someone for asking a question that is a very bad collection of Cops.

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(Seriously, even when I get up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom I grab my Ruger LCP off the dresser and carry it with me.)
What a relief to know I'm not the only one that does this, even though I've got a toilet tank gun. I had just accepted that it was part of my PTSD running rampant.
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Apparently nobody has ever told you how rude and uncouth it is to ask an individual if they've ever used a firearm on another human. I've got a ton of vet and LE buddies that would slap the taste out of your mouth if you asked this question to their faces.
Your correct but I can't even tell you how many times I've been asked that question about my time in the military. It seems to be a fascination people have about the subject, I've grown more tolerant over the years about that question and just take it with a grain of salt.
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The answer is voluntary, and somewhat anonymous; and this is completely differ case.

And if you have LE buddies that would assault someone for asking a question that is a very bad collection of Cops.
I have a collection of buddies that don't deal with rudeness and disrespect very well; career not withstanding. Like me, they really don't care what you think about them. Good day.
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I have a collection of buddies that don't deal with rudeness and disrespect very well; career not withstanding. Like me, they really don't care what you think about them. Good day.
I'm not going to disagree with you in the entirety of your post but I will say this, when a co-worker or acquaintance ask that question it's not always out of rudeness or disrespect and a simple statement that those question are out of bounds normally with be all that is necessary. Friends and fellow Vets will not ask you that and if you choose to talk about it they generally just listen without comment.
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We seen a lot of posts regarding carrying guns for "two legged predators" Has anyone ever had to, or come close to actually having to use their gun for that purpose?
I've "used" a gun on 2 occasions to defend myself in my home. Fortunately, I did not have to discharge it either time.
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However, it can still happen, which is why I carry a firearm with me everyday, literally everywhere I go, including inside my own home. (Seriously, even when I get up in the middle of the night to use the bathroom I grab my Ruger LCP off the dresser and carry it with me.)
Same here. My Glock and phone both accompany me on bathroom trips, whatever time of the day or night. And both are constantly within arms reach 24/7 whenever I'm in my home, and carried with me whenever I leave my home...if circumstances allow. (In other words...so long as I'm not going somewhere where the gun is forbidden...P.O., Gov't Office, VA hospital, etc...)
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It’s pretty much a given that you simply do not ask certain questions. There are plenty of well written article on the net defending one’s self. Check the Ayoob Files.
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I have a collection of buddies that don't deal with rudeness and disrespect very well; career not withstanding. Like me, they really don't care what you think about them. Good day.
Good lord...fun times.
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Apparently nobody has ever told you how rude and uncouth it is to ask an individual if they've ever used a firearm on another human. I've got a ton of vet and LE buddies that would slap the taste out of your mouth if you asked this question to their faces.

Just because I asked the question it certainly does not mean anyone has to provide an answer.
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Just because I asked the question it certainly does not mean anyone has to provide an answer.
Still missing the point I see. It's the question you are asking that is considered uncouth, the answers, or lack thereof, are completely irrelevant.
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Kinda like asking if you’ve quit beating your wife...
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I'm sure that the display of a firearm has stopped more criminals in their tracks than gunfire has.
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That was the case in my experiences.

I also have the opinion that predatory humans can identify soft targets, and that they can sense if their prey is armed or not. That may also prevent you from being the prey. It doesn’t apply to drugged and drunken A Holes, or crazies.
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That was the case in my experiences.

I also have the opinion that predatory humans can identify soft targets, and that they can sense if their prey is armed or not. That may also prevent you from being the prey. It doesn’t apply to drugged and drunken A Holes, or crazies.
You are of the opinion that predators have extra senses? Interesting. Things are starting to make sense 'round here.
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What a relief to know I'm not the only one that does this, even though I've got a toilet tank gun. I had just accepted that it was part of my PTSD running rampant.
Actually, I too suffer from PTSD, so I can't really say that it's something that normal people do.

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Same here. My Glock and phone both accompany me on bathroom trips, whatever time of the day or night. And both are constantly within arms reach 24/7 whenever I'm in my home, and carried with me whenever I leave my home...if circumstances allow. (In other words...so long as I'm not going somewhere where the gun is forbidden...P.O., Gov't Office, VA hospital, etc...)
The whole reason why I bought a Ruger LCP in the first place was so that I could carry it with me practically anywhere, anytime. It's just so absurdly small and lightweight that it honestly takes more effort to leave it behind than it does to carry it.
Even on a hot night when I'm wearing nothing but boxer shorts, it's easy enough just to grab it on the way out the door carry it in my hand to the bathroom.

Plus it's just so comforting to know that even in a worse case scenario in which somebody kicks in my door while I'm in the bathroom, I'm armed.
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I honestly can't quite understand all of the hostility towards this question.

Sure...I "get" the impropriety of asking someone if they've ever shot someone, or more explicit, personal questions. But, the OP merely asked if anyone had ever "used" a firearm for self-defense. Not if they'd actually discharged the gun, hit anyone, or anything else.

Why people are getting all lathered up over this...I don't get. If you don't care to answer...*don't*! Seems fairly simple, and straightforward.

I also do not see the comparison between being a wife-beater, and using a firearm to defend one's self. Is that a fair analogy, in your eyes? Not to me.

I'm not trying to start anything up, or foment an argument. On the contrary, I'm hoping to lower the temperature of the thread, and keep this on a calm level of discussion. Thank you!
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Apparently nobody has ever told you how rude and uncouth it is to ask an individual if they've ever used a firearm on another human. I've got a ton of vet and LE buddies that would slap the taste out of your mouth if you asked this question to their faces.
Calm down, take a deep breath, you'll get over it.
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Apparently nobody has ever told you how rude and uncouth it is to ask an individual if they've ever used a firearm on another human. I've got a ton of vet and LE buddies that would slap the taste out of your mouth if you asked this question to their faces.
I too have a ton of LEO and veteran friends - and not a single one of them would first respond with violence if asked an uncouth question - regardless of the subject matter.

The person asking the question may not know someone's feelings about being asked. Everyone gets the the benefit of first doubt - but if they persist after knowing then it very well be Game On.
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I honestly can't quite understand all of the hostility towards this question.

Sure...I "get" the impropriety of asking someone if they've ever shot someone, or more explicit, personal questions. But, the OP merely asked if anyone had ever "used" a firearm for self-defense. Not if they'd actually discharged the gun, hit anyone, or anything else.

Why people are getting all lathered up over this...I don't get. If you don't care to answer...*don't*! Seems fairly simple, and straightforward.

I also do not see the comparison between being a wife-beater, and using a firearm to defend one's self. Is that a fair analogy, in your eyes? Not to me.

I'm not trying to start anything up, or foment an argument. On the contrary, I'm hoping to lower the temperature of the thread, and keep this on a calm level of discussion. Thank you!
I didn't see the correlation between my original question and wife beating either. If anyone thinks the original question is inappropriate, move on to the next post.
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Once upon a time I was home alone watching comics on TV. I heard noise coming from under the house. I grabbed my trusty Daisy B.B. gun and went to investigate. Imagine my surprise when I found a man under the house messing with some of the equipment my father had stored there to keep it out of the rain. I guess that man was startled to put it mildly when I (aka Sheriff Dillon) took "deadly" aim at his head w/ the B.B. gun. He was in a hurry to get out from under the house and get gone. When my father got home I told him what had happened. He put a proper door on the opening and a lock. Guess that kind of counts for the question asked by the OP. Sincerely. bruce.
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To the original question: Yes. No, not from the military. However unless I know you REAL well I won't discuss the "interesting" knife scar on my hand or lead scars on my arm or what I did afterwards so it won't happen again. Some things shouldn't be discussed on a public forum.
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Once upon a time I was home alone watching comics on TV. I heard noise coming from under the house. I grabbed my trusty Daisy B.B. gun and went to investigate. Imagine my surprise when I found a man under the house messing with some of the equipment my father had stored there to keep it out of the rain. I guess that man was startled to put it mildly when I (aka Sheriff Dillon) took "deadly" aim at his head w/ the B.B. gun. He was in a hurry to get out from under the house and get gone. When my father got home I told him what had happened. He put a proper door on the opening and a lock. Guess that kind of counts for the question asked by the OP. Sincerely. bruce.
That lends some well needed levity to this thread 😁

I dang sure would want to get shot in the eye with a BB when coming out if a crawl space ! 😆

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One of the many reasons I'm certain private ownership of firearms without European-style restrictions will end in this country within my lifetime is the normalization of discussing shooting other people. Add to that 2 generations of folks who've grown up spending more time killing countless people with gory blood spatter in video games than it took me to learn guitar and banjo.

Routine discussions on stopping power, targeting tactics, etc., also serve to normalize what is a truly abnormal event (usually fewer than 500 justifiable homicides annually in a country of 327 million), lawful citizen use of a firearm against another citizen. Encouraging ordinary folks to practice for shooting others 'in self defense' is teaching them to apply mechanical decision-making to what should truly be the very last resort just to stay alive.

Why is the question impolite? If you must make that inquiry, you'll not likely want to be informed by the answer.

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I'll leave the controversy out of it. I just want to note for Dirty Harry Callahan and the Modelof1989 that while I don't have PTSD, and won't claim that I'm "normal" (who is?), I keep a loaded gun in every room including the bathroom because if I have to awaken in the middle of the night to use that facility it's a sure bet I'm not awake enough to remember to reach for a gun but there will be one awaiting my arrival. And I agree, in every other aspect of my daily life at home I carry a gun with me, jeans, slacks, bathrobe, etc. Outside the house, same tune.
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I too have a ton of LEO and veteran friends - and not a single one of them would first respond with violence if asked an uncouth question - regardless of the subject matter.

The person asking the question may not know someone's feelings about being asked. Everyone gets the the benefit of first doubt - but if they persist after knowing then it very well be Game On.

Well said.
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