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Old 06-11-2020, 09:43 AM
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All in folks head. They pass folks walking to their car that are driving past them in theirs, they never get nervous the driver is going to run over them. Why do they get nervous when they see someone with a gun? The car is a dangerous weapon also, more folks die every year from auto related than firearm.

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Old 06-11-2020, 10:14 AM
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Open carry is very common around here...many view firearms as tools and part of our rural life.
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Don't take my questions as being against cops (I have a brother that is a cop). I just like to be aware of the laws. I fully intend to respond to any cop that wants to talk to me. In the event a cop was overly aggressive and overstepping the legal bounds, I like to know what my legal requirements are to be in compliance with the laws and what legal recourse I may have.

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The most important thing to remember is that there is a place for arguments - that's the court. Arguing with the police on the street accomplishes nothing positive.
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Old 06-11-2020, 01:06 PM
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The most important thing to remember is that there is a place for arguments - that's the court. Arguing with the police on the street accomplishes nothing positive.
I agree 100%. Don't plan on arguing with them. But I can call his supervisor afterwards and file a complaint if I know he was in the wrong.

Many moons ago, my brother was pulled over because "his window tint looked to dark". The officer noticed my brother has his pistol stuck in the console. Asked my brother if he had a permit for that. He didn't need a permit for it to be visible in his vehicle (not by GA law). He did have one and answered the question as yes. I was tempted to say "he doesn't need one", but antagonizing a LEO and telling him he is wrong as you said will probably not go well, so I kept my trap shut. Now if he was writing a ticket or cuffing us for something that wasn't illegal, then I would probably have spoken up in a respectful manner. Maybe with questions like "do we have to have a permit to have one in our vehicle"?

I couldn't tell you how many LEOs and former LEOs I have had conversations with about carrying firearms and they didn't know the law themselves. Pretty scary.

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I may be missing something but why is there this trend to want to mess with cops doing their job? What are they trying to prove, whatís the profit ?
If you ainít the perp, co operate and let cop move on. As a citizen it is your duty. There are a few bad cops but a lot more bad guys.
I would agree if there was a way to tell the regular cops from the uniformed thugs, but there isn't.

I am enthusiastically supportive of the former and intolerant of the latter. Thus it's always going to be in my best interest to keep my mouth shut.

When I retired USAF I briefly considered a career in LE, but there were two problems; first I hate DVs, the abusers, and the drama associated with them. I suppose training can overcome most of that. The second, and dispositive reason I didn't, involves police behavior I witnessed. When a 'bad cop' does bad stuff, the other cops are obligated to lie and cover up his bad behavior. They might be good cops, dedicated, professional, and valuable public servants, but if they expose the bad cop they're ostracized, so they're complicit. So in that regard all cops are or need to be 'bad cops'. Again, this is something I've seen firsthand.

The experts advise against talking to the police; I'll take their sage advice. There is no such thing as a casual conversation with an on-duty police officer; they have an agenda, and it isn't in support of you. Given there are cops in here that don't know Terry Stop rules, it's best to say nothing and walk away.

During the OC movement in WA about a decade ago, we were patient with the officers for a long time, recognizing that they might not be aware of the laws (or lack of laws) governing it. We used each encounter as an opportunity to guide departments to issue training. Nobody got litigious unless the officer(s) disregarded their training bulletins and guidance. We were always polite, never confrontational, and never trying to egg anyone (LE or citizens) on. Yeah, I've seen it happen, but only after the OC movement met its goal and the johnny-come-lately OCers saw it as a way to stir the pot. There are far more numbnuts carrying concealed, and casting a bad light on firearms carry than OCers- we tend to be very polite.

In any event, yes, we should always do our civic duty. Once you've had a few encounters, it becomes very easy and fast to know when the encounter is legitimate or a just a 'bad cops' fishing expedition.

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Old 06-11-2020, 03:32 PM
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I couldn't tell you how many LEOs and former LEOs I have had conversations with about carrying firearms and they didn't know the law themselves. Pretty scary.

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Unattractive story #157.

Many years ago I was given command of a state police district that had been chronically poorly run. One of the final straws in the relief of my predecessor was an incident wherein a patrol officer stopped a guy with a 'Constitutional free man' handmade license plate. The driver was angry and argumentative; he acted as if he was going to drive away, so the officer ordered him out of the car. Turns out he was carrying a concealed 38 snubbie; the troop promptly arrested him. The problem was that carrying a concealed firearm in your car was (and remains) perfectly legal in our state for anyone who can own a firearm. The argument that he was outside the car when arrested was just ignorant - the officer had ordered him out of the car.

The defendant went to jail, his car was towed; the next day the magistrate very properly dismissed the charge. My predecessor tried to support the officer's action as reasonable when the inevitable civil suit came in; our risk management committee was unimpressed and eventually settled the case for $25k (not a bad price for a night in jail - I'd do it!).

Out went the old commander.

Stupid is as stupid does.

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Old 06-28-2020, 03:55 PM
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Retention holster and knowing what to do when someone goes for your gun from behind you is a must.
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I live in a very populated area and would feel weird open carrying. I don't have anything against it its just not for me.
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