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Old 08-22-2020, 05:10 PM
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I'm back in my old stomping grounds (Coffee, Franklin, Moore County) and it is a very good environment for carry. They have some odd quirks here concerning Concealed Vs. Open carry for resident permit holders, but no one has given me a second glance in various establishments with the muzzle poking out below my T-shirt. It' probably not as good as KY, but close. Any locals want to extend local advice? No SHALL NOTIFY laws.
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Old 08-22-2020, 05:16 PM
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Welcome back to middle Tn.Or as someone who grew up in Mi and then moved back home. Welcome to God’s country.
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Old 08-22-2020, 05:20 PM
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I guess I should tell you.In Tn your carry permit is tied to your DL.Officers will be told by dispatch if you have a carry permit on any traffic stop.
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I guess I should ask. What do you, as a TN LEO, do when dispatch relays that information back to you?

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In Tennessee, handgun carry permit and drivers license numbers are the same. If they just run your tag before making face to face contact, they already know all. Just be nice. I've never had any problems.
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Unless I am on my own or a friends property I don't open carry. My State does not allow it (except on your own property) but I do go to some that do and still won't do so.

It's just my own personal opinion that it's a very bad practice. If the SHTF anyone spotted with a gun will become one of the first to be shot. Surprise is much better and safer IMO.

Then you always have to consider the NOW PC attitude towards guns. Even in locations that are gun friendly there are always some who choose to make it an issue - who needs that!
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I guess I should ask. What do you, as a TN LEO, do when dispatch relays that information back to you?
We don't do anything other than think to ourselves "this person is probably a decent person as they have a permit " Unless they prove us wrong by saying or doing something stupid.

We are more concerned about the people without a permit even though in Tennessee you can have one in your vehicle. We are watching body language,attitudes and situational awareness.
We have an rule in West TN, don't show us yours and we won't show you ours.

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Usually nothing special.I treat all stops like there is a weapon available.In Tn you no longer need a permit to carry a firearm in your car.I may tell them I see you have a carry permit.If you have your weapon with you please do not handle it.
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I had to call the Franklin County Sheriff a few weeks ago to report some damage done to my property (unimproved Green Belt) and they quickly sent out a deputy to take my complaint. I'm sure it was evident to the Officer that I was carrying and the conversation was very cordial. No questions were asked pertaining to my weapon. The Deputy was very professional and my experience, as it has been in the past, was more than satisfactory. Hats off to FCSD.
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I had to call the Franklin County Sheriff a few weeks ago to report some damage done to my property (unimproved Green Belt) and they quickly sent out a deputy to take my complaint. I'm sure it was evident to the Officer that I was carrying and the conversation was very cordial. No questions were asked pertaining to my weapon. The Deputy was very professional and my experience, as it has been in the past, was more than satisfactory. Hats off to FCSD.
Why would you want it to be evident to anyone that you were carrying a gun?
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I can think of several scenarios where I would want everyone to know I had a gun . . .

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Muss, ya gotta flesh that out for us. I can't think of any!

Funny thing in Texas, your LTC and your TDL are connected in the computer - I always wondered, so what's the point of using two numbers and not just one?

But I'm old and a curmudgeon, I guess.....shut mah mouf.....
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A: Removing me and mine from an active shooter situation . . .

2: Removing me and mine from an active armed robbery where the robber was blocking my exit . . .

iii: Not applicable to everyone, but returning a client to the custody of the state . . .

IV: Defending me and mine from a group of not peaceful protestors assaulting my home . . .

There's a start . . .

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Why would you want it to be evident to anyone that you were carrying a gun?
Answer: CORONAVIRUS related economic demise.

As the economy continues to dive off the cliff. Desperate times results in desperate actions by formally upright law-abiding folks seeking to feed/shelter themselves and their family.

I didn't used to feel this way, but these are no longer "normal times" in any sense of the word.

Please note that I DO NOT wish to discuss nor cast blame on anything/anyone. End of discussion...
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It's sad that someone can't come in and discuss their carry without the anti-open carry folks threadcrapping the thing.

I can tell you from discussing/debating open carry for 15 years now it's pointless to argue about it in a forum.

I have had discussions, debates, and arguments on the subject both in person and on forums, and here's what I've learned.

Discussion on a forum is hopeless. If you make too strong an argument the cognitive dissonance kicks into overdrive and either the anti-OCer mysteriously disappears, or the insults start. Then the mods shut the discussion down, or in at least one case, the forum owner bans the pro-open carry side.

Discussion in person is very different. I've good luck getting mostly honest discussion and only very few occasions where the person got mad (cognitive dissonance) and walked away.

The honest discussions reveal the reasons the person disliked open carry, “you're a target”, “prefer surprise”, “deal with the cops”, and all the rest, were not based on anything real, and when you point out the glaring flaws in those beliefs, you get to one of several actual reasons:

- Shame. The person doesn't want anyone to know they carry because they themselves consider it a sign of weakness. Once you get them past that, their carry (concealed or open) is more relaxed and comfortable.
- Their Discomfort. They just flat-out cannot get comfortable with the idea that people can see their gun. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, sometimes you can't put your finger on the problem, but at least they're honest with themselves about it. They carry concealed and recognize that open carry isn't bad, it's just not for them.
- Another's Discomfort. The spouse usually, for whatever reason, does not want them to carry openly, and it's easier to just go with it than to have the discord. It seems odd that one will say, “I don't want to be the first one shot” or “I prefer to surprise the bad guy” when all along they're just trying to keep the peace with their SO. I carried openly for over a decade in a city/urban environment but lately I carry concealed (or mostly concealed) and this is the reason why. She's not against guns (she carries) but just prefers I don't OC.
- Intestinal fortitude. I've had people admit to plain old cowardice- guns are scary; they carry one, but the less they see it the better and that fear is transferred onto everyone else, expressing itself with the dumb arguments mentioned. It's hard to work this issue out, and you usually end up just agreeing to disagree, but you've planted a seed that may take root later.
- Ignorance. They are incapable of critical thought, or too lazy to do any, so they rely on the opinions of someone else- usually some internet guru they follow. ”Johnny YouTube Shooter says it's bad/dumb/dangerous so that's good enough for me.” They usually exhibit other 'Elmer Fudd' attitudes regarding guns as well. You can usually walk away from this discussion on fairly good terms; you can't squeeze blood from a turnip and if someone cannot or will not think objectively there's nothing you can do about it.

Whenever I see the same easily disproved excuses I try to figure out what their real reason is, and to a degree it's revealed by how upset/angry they get over someone else's carry- usually points to shame or cowardice, vs the ones that take it in stride usually points to discomfort.

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It's sad that someone can't come in and discuss their carry without the anti-open carry folks threadcrapping the thing. . .
All I said was that my personal preplanning has contemplated times when I want everyone in the room to learn that I have a gun. Has nothing to do with open carry, and I did not take the responses to be a discussion of open carry. For someone who thinks discussing open carry is pointless, you took it there pretty quickly. IBTL . . .
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When someone says we have guns in common, I say no we don’t. I am a strict, as written, 2A advocate.
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I happened to be carrying a Glock 19 in a belt holster under a T-shirt which does not really lend its self to CC. Not a problem in that place or time as either OC or CC would have been lawful. My point of the one sentence was to the Officers reaction which was completely appropriate. In 1969-70 I carried a gun almost every day, openly, but that was a different time and place (RVN). I've continued the practice ever since, though not to the level of back in the day. My first Weapon Permit was issued in the '70's. mainsail makes some pretty strong points. One of the things I alluded to in the original post was that TN has two levels of carry permit. One for, shall I say, the novice and requires less training and is more restrictive. The other for the more experienced individuals. My information comes from the J. Scott Kappas, Esq. publication Traveler's Guide... 2020. The two level system presents a conundrum to out of state permit holders such as me I think. Where does someone like me (GA Weapons Permit holder) stand under the statutes?

Another shout out to the Franklin Co. LEO's.
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BTW, In my case I didn't "want" it to be evident. That's just the way it was.

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I'm not for or against OC.

But if you OC, you need to ask yourself a question:

Bear in mind this question is not for LEO's or anyone who is required by their job to OC! It's for us regular folks.

If some thug (or thugs) comes up to you, points a gun in your face, and says he's taking your gun, what is your plan at that point? Your choice is comply or die. What are you going to do?

Some may say that this is so unlikely it's not even worth considering.

But given todays lawless climate, it SHOULD be taken into consideration.
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I'm not for or against OC.

But if you OC, you need to ask yourself a question:

Bear in mind this question is not for LEO's or anyone who is required by their job to OC! It's for us regular folks.

If some thug (or thugs) comes up to you, points a gun in your face, and says he's taking your gun, what is your plan at that point? Your choice is comply or die. What are you going to do?

Some may say that this is so unlikely it's not even worth considering.

But given todays lawless climate, it SHOULD be taken into consideration.
That is one scenario, but you could play "what if" all day. I think it's more likely those thugs, if bent on killing you for your weapon, would just shoot you in the back and walk off with it. What if...?

My OP was more about the nuances of state statutes and interactions between a citizen and the police.
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That is one scenario, but you could play "what if" all day. I think it's more likely those thugs, if bent on killing you for your weapon, would just shoot you in the back and walk off with it. What if...?

My OP was more about the nuances of state statutes and interactions between a citizen and the police.
Fair enough. I really didn't want to get caught up in a thread drift, but sometimes I can't help myself!
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The honest discussions reveal the reasons the person disliked open carry, “you're a target”, “prefer surprise”, “deal with the cops”, and all the rest, were not based on anything real, and when you point out the glaring flaws in those beliefs, you get to one of several actual reasons:
I've been targeted at least twice because I was open carrying.

I've also had an incident in which the fact that I was clearly armed was no deterrent at all.

That doesn't sound like I'm just a victim of incorrect beliefs to me

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But if you OC, you need to ask yourself a question:

Bear in mind this question is not for LEO's or anyone who is required by their job to OC! It's for us regular folks.

If some thug (or thugs) comes up to you, points a gun in your face, and says he's taking your gun, what is your plan at that point? Your choice is comply or die. What are you going to do?

Some may say that this is so unlikely it's not even worth considering.

But given todays lawless climate, it SHOULD be taken into consideration.
It should be taken into consideration regardless. Every time the discussion of open carry comes up that's one of the things that I say "If you're going to open carry you had better have a plan for WHEN someone tries to take it off you."

and don't think it doesn't happen to cops.

It's not a frequent occurrence but neither is needing to use a gun in self defense.

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and don't think it doesn't happen to cops.

It's not a frequent occurrence but neither is needing to use a gun in self defense.
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It appears that this discussion has already gone down the open carry rabbit hole.

IMO These discussions usually come down to I'm offended because you don't do it MY way. (I'm guilty too).

Because of my unique set of life experiences concealmeant is enough of a priority for me to make concessions to achieve it. I live in a temperate climate and I can always get away with a button up cover shirt. Other people (not addressing anyone specific) place more value on comfort.

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I'm not for or against OC.

But if you OC, you need to ask yourself a question:

Bear in mind this question is not for LEO's or anyone who is required by their job to OC! It's for us regular folks.

If some thug (or thugs) comes up to you, points a gun in your face, and says he's taking your gun, what is your plan at that point? Your choice is comply or die. What are you going to do?

Some may say that this is so unlikely it's not even worth considering.

But given todays lawless climate, it SHOULD be taken into consideration.
Could happen. But, more likely that they would avoid you like the plague. Studies have shown most criminals focus on those looking like victims or prey. For every example of an open carry person becoming a target there are 10s of thousands of examples of those appearing to be unarmed being targeted by predators.

Its like those who will not show things like NRA stickers etc. I get the paranoia, But part of it is where are you from. Here it is pretty normal to see stuff like that. I myself don't open carry, but mostly because it makes some people uncomfortable and I feel that is impolite, I do have the S&W emblem tattooed on my right forearm. I haven't been mugged since I was 18 in Tijuana
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I've been targeted at least twice because I was open carrying.

I've also had an incident in which the fact that I was clearly armed was no deterrent at all.

That doesn't sound like I'm just a victim of incorrect beliefs to me



It should be taken into consideration regardless. Every time the discussion of open carry comes up that's one of the things that I say "If you're going to open carry you had better have a plan for WHEN someone tries to take it off you."

and don't think it doesn't happen to cops.

It's not a frequent occurrence but neither is needing to use a gun in self defense.
I am glad I don't hang out with you or go where you must go.
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I am glad I don't hang out with you or go where you must go.
To be fair most of that occurred at work and my work requires me to go places but I wouldn't go to off the clock
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When I'm camped in the Bluegrass (just 5 miles north of the TN state line)
I see folks open carry quite a bit. It's a rural area and everyone get along jest fine.

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I bet most members of this forum are like me: I don’t open carry, but if you would like to, that’s fine with me.
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