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Old 09-01-2020, 09:06 AM
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If it makes you feel any better.

I have seen Glocks jam.

I have shot several, even if I don't own one, and it never happened to me. But I have seen it happen anyway.
My M36 45 jammed all the time so I got rid of it.
It was a pile of junk. Only Glock I'v ever owned.
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Default Are we just talking semi-auto....

....or can I vote for the S&W mod 10? I have several semi pistols. A Shield, a 5943, a Keltec P11 and a Sig 350

The Sig and the 5943 have never had a serious failure, just a jam or two. The Shield is very reliable and the Kel tec has had some factory work and has seen some abuse, but it's not bad for a little gun.
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I agree with this. It will be a rare, modern service pistol that won't make the 1000 round standard.

I'm not convinced yet that applies to the smaller guns yet. They still seem more finicky than their larger, serviced brothers.
Shorter pistols have additional challenges:

1) shorter barrels produce less velocity and for a recoil locked system that reduces the available energy to operate the slide.

2) More critically, shorter slides generally have reduced slide travel and less override past the cartridge in the magazine well.
- That means there is less slide over run time for that round to rise in front of the slide coming back into battery; and
- it means the slide has less energy when it impacts the base of that cartridge.

And it's usually made worse when an end user decides to "upgrade" it with a different weight recoil spring or a shock buffer.
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Old 09-01-2020, 03:32 PM
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OK I will be the first... TAURUS...
Taurus PT99AF.. adjustable sight target version of the PT92.
I bought it new in 1990 as a college graduation present to myself.
it was my one and only CF semi-auto pistol for years..
I shot bowling pins on Monday nights after work with my late father.
I shot occasional IPSC, carried and just fun range time...
I am not one to keep track of round count...
I have put well over 15,000 rounds thru it... maybe over 25,000?

I clean it after every range session, and I have only replaced the recoil springs.

A friend I have had since first grade wanted to buy his first handgun.
He had hunted with family, but never shot a handgun, so he asked for help deciding.
I took him to the range with a variety, revolvers and semi-autos in multiple calibers.
He decided he liked the TAURUS the best of all of them...
So when I found another one I got it and gave him his first handgun.
I have not owned another with that track record covering 30 years of reliability.

let the Taurus haters start... it won't change my mind at all, I know better...
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When I went to class to get my " LTC " license to carry in Tx , after the classroom and test we went next door to an indoor range to fire the required 50 rounds . The guy beside me had a glock . After a few rounds , talk about a " jam o" matic " , he was constantly clearing his weapon , trying to grab the expelled round because he was going to need it to try and finish the course . He must of been a good friend of the instructor as he gave him some " leeway " . I'm not a glock hater , but that experience didn't impress me . Out of 17 students that day , I was the ONLY guy with a revolver . It put them all to shame on scoring the targets . My most reliable hand gun . The S&W 686 I took to class that day . He said , " pistol " I just assumed any hand gun . Maybe the OP only meant semi auto . If only semi auto , then I'm not able to say , not much of a semi auto guy . Regards, Paul

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It probably doesnt exist. I would say a glock 17, but one of my 1911 has over 35k rds & with good mags & decent ammo, never a failure. I did break the slide release, but it still shot fine, just wouldnt lock open.
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If you were to add another zero to that reliability test, then we would be talking about something ...

Glocks are good. Very very good. No question, no doubt, Glocks RUN and run very well.

My personal experience has me replacing all my Glock pistols with Walther PPQ's. Two Q5 Match pistols both over 20k rounds each, PPQ 4" that is my carry gun close to 15k rounds, PPQ 4" house gun getting close to 10k rounds. ZERO malfunctions.

Walther PPQ gets my vote.


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Old 09-01-2020, 08:50 PM
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My S&W 9mm Shield is my most reliable pistol. I carry it every day. She isn't fancy, but it always fires.
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1990 Glock 17......not one single stoppage in all the years and cases of ammo. Beretta 92F a close second.
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Old 09-02-2020, 07:24 AM
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My most reliable ?

No worries with this one........I've carried and shot it for half a century.
(She's had a few up grades with a new style grip safety & hammer)


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that rig though........
your kids / grandkids will be fighting over that setup when its available....Thx for the photo
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Im a Ernest Langdon fan.
The guy is a hero , a stud and very credible.
Yes , he is on the Beretta payroll.....
The guy tried to "break" a PX4 Storm by "abusing it" in the Arizona desert w 50K+ rounds but couldnt get it to fail.....
The wife & I have matching Storm (C) 9m

This gun is worthy of mention in this thread.

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/px4har...izona%20desert.
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I have many 100% pistols: EDC 6906, 26 years 10k+rds, CZ 75B, Beretta 92 Centurion, Glock gen 2, Sig 228; many thousands rds. Also a Kahr P9 that is 100% but only had it 18 mos. HK USP .45c and SprArm 1911 .45acp 100%. I get rid of a gun after 2nd failure not ammo related. Joe
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malph and BB57 . . . .

The problem with smaller guns is the mass - lack of mass, that is - in their frames. The momentum of the frame resists the backward movement of the slide in recoil. Small guns with corresponding light frames have to be held tightly to help the frame stay still while the slide moves.

As a rule, the smaller the pistol, the more tightly you should grip it.
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These days most semi autos are reliable... picking the best is more a matter of personal preference than anything else... But here is my top five best list...

1. 1911 Colt as they came from the factory... i,e. not accurized ect...
2. S&W M39
3. SIG P series DA/SA plus P210
4. CZ 75 family
5. FM/Browning High Power

My opinion FWIW

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I've had solid good experience with their model 17, 34, 19, 21, 22, 23, 26, 27, 30, 35 however still consider the 17 as the best. After about 100k rounds of live fire and 2-5X that of dry fire should start watching the breech face for a stress crack. A well tuned 1911 in .45 ACP will run may 10,000's with only an occasional spring replacement.

Any of these will loose the gilt edge off barrel accuracy something around 30-100k rounds, depending on bullet/powder type fired in them.

If considering a S&W L frame 686 as a "pistol" it likewise is very long lived.
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A well tuned 1911 in .45 ACP will run may 10,000's with only an occasional spring replacement.
FWIW, I've read that the PWS 1911s used by USMC Force Recon in the 90s could shoot 80k rounds during a training/deployment cycle, with the guns being rebuilt after (everything but the frames replaced).
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Best: Beretta 92. That said, I'm at almost 1000 thru my Hi Power Mk II and it has been flawless.

Worst: Glock 26. Constant jams and brass to face.
2nd Worst: Glock 36. Regular jams but not as bad as the 26.
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+1000

I have never had a revolver malfunction when shooting factory ammo and stock springs except in S&Ws with the internal firing pin. For the last few I replace the internal pin before they go to the range, and I have not had an issue since.
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Since I don't and won't own a Glock I'll have to vote for my CS-45 or my Browning HP due to the courses of fire that I've shot with them. I guess my old, long gone, Norinco 1911 was 100% reliable, too.

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Best: Beretta 92. That said, I'm at almost 1000 thru my Hi Power Mk II and it has been flawless.

Worst: Glock 26. Constant jams and brass to face.
2nd Worst: Glock 36. Regular jams but not as bad as the 26.
I have a gen2 g26. Its stupid reliable, never a malf unkess I was testing minor floor ammo. Any full power ammo, 100%. One reason it is my edc.
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fredj338, same deal with my Sig C3.

100% with factory ammo.

It has choked on some of my reloads. Easy to say it was the reloads, but my S&W PC 1911 eats the reloads like candy.
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The only gun in my personal experience that fits the criteria: my S&W 4505. Duty pistol, never jammed. Ever. Feeds everything. Always.
Glock armorer school two times. Never owned one. Good tool.
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Around fifteen or twenty years ago I read an article in a gun magazine,
by Ralph Mroz, about Karl Sokol. He said that when your gun absolutely,
positively, has to work every time, pistoleros all over the world send their
gun to Karl Sokol. I was impressed, so I send my 1911 Colt Gold Cup to
Karl. He gave it his reliability package, replaced a lot of parts with Ed
Brown parts, put a commander hammer on it, and gave it his mountain
tough finish. Since then it has been 100% reliable.
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No worries with this one........I've carried and shot it for half a century.
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No worries with this one........I've carried and shot it for half a century.
(She's had a few up grades with a new style grip safety & hammer)
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I agree with you 50 years for me also. After purchasing a Standard Manufacturing I want nothing else!

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I never had any issues with my issued Glock 22 or 23 Gen 3 when I was a cop for 21 years.

However I do remember that there were a few reliability issues with the G22 when fitted with a rail mounted light. This was about 10 years ago or so. Google it and quite a few articles come up.

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My Yankee Gov't issued Glock 23, provided to me at some point before the year 2000. That pistol saw me through multiple qualifications and training events, along with instructor school and instruction requalifications for the next 15 years. Conservatively, I fired 50,000 rounds through that pistol and it never left me hanging of its own accord . . .
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I thought this was pistols only. If we are doing revolvers also then my S&W M17 and Ruger Security Six have been totally reliable over many years and thousands of rounds. I shot NRA bullseye competition for a number of years with these revolvers. I still carry the Security Six around the farm and it seems as accurate and reliable as ever.
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Every one. I will not own a weapon that is not reliable.
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The only semi I have that has thousands of rounds with out a jam is a 92FS. I do have an LC9 , a DW Valkyrie, G19(not many rounds thru the G19, did have a trigger problem with it), LC and DW 100% so far, prolly between 750 to 1000 thru them. G19 eats my finger, may just sell it, don't like shooting with gloves on.
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7.62x25 TT33 Well over 700 rds with out oil, cleaning, whipping down, etc, 3 months of riding around in a dust pickup, hanging in the back window during that time, before it finally stove piped. Cleaned it. keep it that way. 30+ years later and never a hiccup. One of the best $75 i ever spent.
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I have a 4566 with 39,540 documented rounds thru it BEFORE i bought it. I have fired maybe 2500 thru it since then.
Its been 100%. Good ammo, bad ammo, aluminum cased horrible ammo, any variety of S&W single stack 8-round magazines, any weather, any shooter, and position, any bullet weight, any velocity, no failures of any kind.
But if I started cold with a Beretta 92FS, I could likely beat the 4566.

I am sure Glocks are super reliable, but....you would have to suffer through firing one to find out. I will leave that task to younger folks with, ahh, different tastes.

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My Colt 1911s.

These have all have custom work before I shoot them except the Series 70 Gold Cups.
That gun (purchased in 1974) has been the most dependable of any semi auto I have ever owned. I stared out shooting bullseye and after that bored me to death used it to shoot PPC and our version of a combat assault course. Did a little work like changing a spring, hogging out the mag well, and adding a longer slide release. Gun was very dependable, heck I even carried it when going into the city!
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1944 Walther P38
My dad bought it in 1961 and since that time has never jammed ...I even loaded some cast lead 155 gr. SWC GC (38 special bullets) and it fed , fired and ejected them . It's favorite load is with cast 105 gr. SWC revolver bullet from a Lee mould and a moderate charge of powder . Military ball ammo and cast lead truncated cone bullets ... it will digest them all day long .
I believe the fact that the barrel has a generous and long throat allows it to chamber any load that will fit into the magazine ... It's uncanny how this pistol will shoot just about any bullet shape .
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I have two at the moment. First off I'm a shooter not a collector so unreliable guns are of no interest to me. I'll shoot a couple of thousand rounds through almost all of my guns in a year. If I can't, then I have too many guns.

One is a Springfield 1911 in 9mm. The other...yes really...is a Taurus PT 809 that has close to 5,000 rounds without a single failure. I don't shoot it much anymore. I like the Springfield better. The trigger on the Taurus isn't that great and it's not exactly stunningly accurately. But given it's reliability and utility I think I should keep it. I shot the first 3,000 rounds through it in the first two months trying to make it fail just in case I needed warranty service. It failed to fail.
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Well, there is the herd with their Glocks strapped on and huddled in the draw below while the Rangers are taking the hill with a variety of S&W 639, 645, 1076, 3913, 4006, 4506, 5906, 6906 and their siblings. Oh!!! There could be a few PC models in the mix also.

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Most reliable? Hands down Ruger Speed Six. I ruined a Browning Hi-power with 15k of 9+p ammo that made it a piece of junk. The 92AF has a locking block issue that 15k rounds will expose. A Glock will fail with top end ammo chipping the firing pin at 30 to 40K rounds. The Ruger is just getting broken in.
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My M&P 9C and Glock 35 have been flawless after many, many thousands of rounds.
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My Glock 19X has upwards of 7000 rounds through it. I'm fairly certain that it would fire with twigs and leaves stuffed into the magazine, it's that reliable.

And that's with the cheapest, crappiest, and dirtiest steel and aluminum cased ammo that money can buy. And there was at least twice that I went over a thousand rounds without cleaning the thing. Predictably, it still went bang every time.

Factory parts are dirt-cheap, and you need them very, very seldom.

I know that they're as ugly as sin, but they work for me.

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man all these chumps saying Glock need to borrow/buy my Glock 44 off me.

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man all these chumps saying Glock need to borrow/buy my Glock 44 off me.
You've been a member for a month, maybe less, and you decide to insult other members because you got a lemon?
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man all these chumps saying Glock need to borrow/buy my Glock 44 off me.

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Possibly an effort to become a respected member of the forum would help before you cock off .
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From what I read, sounds like the 44's have had quite a few issues. The 42's and 43's have too.

Aside from the occasional lemon, Glock double stacks are pretty reliable. Until the Gen 5's, the same basic design has been in production since the 90's, right? They've had some time to get the bugs out. Even the Gen 5's aren't that much different.
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From what I read, sounds like the 44's have had quite a few issues. The 42's and 43's have too.

Aside from the occasional lemon, Glock double stacks are pretty reliable. Until the Gen 5's, the same basic design has been in production since the 90's, right? They've had some time to get the bugs out. Even the Gen 5's aren't that much different.
I have a 44 with at least 2,000 rounds down the pipe. The Glock 44 is no less reliable than any of my other .22 autoloaders, including a Colt Woodsman, a S&W Model 41, and several Rugers. Yes, I get the very occasional FTF, but that comes with the territory with .22 pistols.

My 42 is wickedly accurate and very reliable. I've got well over 1K rounds in it, and it always goes bang when I ask it to.

The Gen 5 was the first major redesign of the Glock internals, but it's not *that* different. Any trained armorer will still be able to take one apart and put it back together with ease.

I've owned a few centerfire Glock single stacks, and they too are as reliable as the day is long.

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I have a 44 with at least 2,000 rounds down the pipe. The Glock 44 is no less reliable than any of my other .22 autoloaders, including a Colt Woodsman, a S&W Model 41, and several Rugers. Yes, I get the very occasional FTF, but that comes with the territory with .22 pistols.

My 42 is wickedly accurate and very reliable. I've got well over 1K rounds in it, and it always goes bang when I ask it to.

The Gen 5 was the first major redesign of the Glock internals, but it's not *that* different. Any trained armorer will still be able to take one apart and put it back together with ease.

I've owned a few centerfire Glock single stacks, and they too are as reliable as the day is long.

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I've owned several Glocks. Gen 3's, 4's, and 5's. I haven't had as good of luck as you have with the single stacks.

I had two early 42's. Liked the size and very accurate. Thought the first might be a lemon, so I tried the second. Neither one could would make it through 50 rounds without a few FTE's. Both went back to Glock twce and were rebuilt twice. Had other people shoot them. Same issue. Never got better. Sold them to a guy that knew the issues, but wanted to see if he could get them working.

I have two 43's. They work fine with 115 and 124 gr ammo, but double feed on the last round with 147 gr. flat nose and hollow point rounds (my preferred 9 mm round). From postings on GlockTalk, lots of others have that same issue.

I've had a few 19's and 26's. Never missed a beat.
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I had two early 42's. Liked the size and very accurate. Thought the first might be a lemon, so I tried the second. Neither one could would make it through 50 rounds without a few FTE's. Both went back to Glock twce and were rebuilt twice. Had other people shoot them. Same issue. Never got better. Sold them to a guy that knew the issues, but wanted to see if he could get them working.
My 42 is a later gun; I bought it in mid-2017. I don't know if there were changes made, but my gun has run like a clock. There was one particular brand of ammo that didn't work well with it, but it was an off-brand that I picked up at a gun show and I've never seen it again. All of the name brand stuff cycles through it no problem, and I've been surprised at how accurate it is.

The only real "dud" I've ever had was a Glock 30. It was a gun that I bought secondhand. The previous owner had "stippled" the frame (this is code for "burned it with a soldering iron to make it better") and he had cerakoted the slide and barrel. I sent the gun to Glock and they replaced the frame and most of the internals, but the gun still wouldn't cycle reliably. I attributed it to the coating, though, and ended up selling it to someone that wanted to take it on as a project. So I don't think that this was Glocks' fault; I attributed that to bubba redneck gunsmithing.

No manufacturer is perfect, and I know that Glock has had their warts over the years. But so has everyone ... I've owned a few Colts and S&Ws that were only worth their weight in scrap metal.

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I have three pistols with high round counts and zero malfunctions.

HK USP 45 full size. 6700+ rounds.
S&W 4506-1 bought it used. Former LE gun. I have 2200 through it.
S&W 3913. 5600+.

I also have a couple of 4566s with unknown round counts. I have fired over 1K rounds through both of them. Zero malfunctions.

On the first three I listed, the vast majority of the ammunition used was provided by the State and by the criminals who we took it off of and then "destroyed" per Judges orders, by sending it down range. Regards 18DAI
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