See the post just before yours. If you just throw the gun in the glove box or under the seat, then yes, you are being lazy and irresponsible.

There are a myriad of products available for not much money to secure your guns.

With close to thirty years as a locksmith I’ve helped many dimwits that have had their guns stolen from their home or vehicle. The responsibilities as a gun owner are many. Securing them properly is one of them.

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It has actually happened here.

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That is why my comment of opinions vary and not take it beyond that. It is like the post about double dead bolts above mine...what no land mines and nerve gas to make certain? Nobody is going to stop a criminal from criminally taking anything they want.

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Proud member of the NRA, but I don't display NRA stickers for that reason. I neither want to suffer a break-in of my automobile nor do I want to give up the element of surprise to any would-be predators.

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Yes and no. The rule of thumb is to slow them down. Make it hard for them and hope they will move on.

To do nothing and concede that they will get in anyway is pure ignorance and laziness. No offense.

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"You're" assuming they cannot read. Perhaps they're only looking at the pictures.

I have a lockable safe in my car. Sometimes my carry gun is locked in there if I have to go to my child's school or the post office. The car may get stolen, but it will be easier for the thief to do that, than break into my locked safe.

The safe is there only to make it difficult, not impossible, for other people to access my gun. For that same reasoning, my car is never left "unlocked" when I am away from it. And my gun is never left in the car safe overnight.

Even though we have strict gun laws here in Australia, I know of several incidents where Police Officers have had their issued handguns stolen after leaving them overnight in their vehicles. Some of them have even been charged as it's against the law as well as departmental policy to do same.

None taken by me, and hopefully and by your comment none taken by you, just merely a disagreement, something that should be the norm.

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I fly below the radar with nothing on my car to give a clue about anything, because where I'm at, any sticker indicating that you're contrary to what the prevailing political ideology/correctness climate is, it can get your car trashed or worse yet make you a target for a confrontation with extremists.

On the flip side, whenever I drive out of state on vacation, I will put on an NRA license plate frame or something that will hopefully distinguish the fact that even though my car is wearing California plates, it's occupant is not a typical Californian that's despised by many, and hopefully it doesn't get trashed like this:

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I know and admit that the gun in the car, Beretta PX4 .40 for me and FNH FNX 9mm for her, and both of us with 4 spare magazines loaded. We may both go out, but not for lacking in shooting back.

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Ya, my philosophy also, Although I don't carry now (California) the many years i did, the weapon went where i went. I did know guys that would just toss it in the glovebox, when questioned the reply was always "Ah is just an old Charter Arms" I could never understand or agree with that. jmop

I should add, that where you live has a lot to do with it. In rural more conservative areas, having a gun in the glove box is probably the norm. That’s understandable.

But these days even rural areas are not as quiet as they used to be.

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That is so true, many rural areas such as where we live you can get a ride along with local LEOs, we both have done that with both of us knowing McLennan county deputies, you can smell that "****" being cooked and see the local thugs in this area at times. They do like that out in the middle of nowhere bit.

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No.. we are not giving the common (stupid) ones credit, those are the ones that do get caught and are in jail.

The "uncommon" ones, smart enough to continuously elude being caught, are the ones smart enough to utilize "clues" and capitalize on them.

Don't kid yourself, all are not dull knives in a draw.

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Your house isn't any harder to break into than your car. I fact your house windows are usually much easier to break and your dead bolt lock is a joke to a guy with a set of bump keys.

Should you leave a gun in your car or your house? Unless you lock up every gun in your house in a gun safe, every time you leave it your not much better than the guy who locks his car doors with a gun in it.

Houses get burgled regularly just like cars. Here, my truck sitting in the grocery store parking lot is probably less likely to get broken into than my house which is on the edge of town where there is less than one house per acre, many surround by trees and hedges

Someone could just watch you drive away to work in the morning and then hit you. You have an alarm. So, what. Guys with alarms get burgled too. Besides, the neighborhood telephone junction box is often right there on the corner and anyone with a screwdriver can open it and disconnect the wires. Same with your cable connection. Clip. If you have a bell or horn it has wires to it somewhere also. Most houses are only what I call "makes the owner feel better" secure. My sister in a Seattle, Washington suburb, lives in a high tone area, alarm company, security system, all the bells and whistles, yet she and many of he neighbors have been hit.

Where you draw the line has more to it than just a car door folks. Not leaving a gun in your rig might stop the casual thief and thats all. Moving might be more effective.

Guys who are smart enough to follow you home because you have an NRA sticker are smart enough not to need the sticker. As a mater of fact following some one just because they have a sticker would be kind of dumb. You could get a job at a range and tip off criminals for a cut. Scary huh. Collect license plate numbers at the gun shops parking lots.
Better walk or take the bus. Use a fake ID at that range. Just how far are YOU going to RUN.

Like a lot of identity theft comes from company personnel files. Think how many people can see those where YOU work?

I seldom have a gun in my car when I am not in it, but, hey if of my guns gets stolen it if the thief's fault. NOT MINE

Speaking of stopping the casual their, just what level of casual thief am I supposed to be responsible for anyway?

Hey Steelsaver, I agree. My house got a brick through a sliding glass door in my heavily treed back yard. That one happened while we were in Florida on Spring Break because one of our kids was bragging around school that we’d be out of town. I cleared that case myself and turned over the kid burglar to the locals. Several years ago.

My neighborhood watch group is pretty active. They report all kinds of stuff like lost kittens. I can’t remember the last burglary. But they report several car thefts (mostly running in cold weather) and numerous car break ins weekly.

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Nothing says "free gun" like a gun sticker on the back of your vehicle... Even if you don't have one in there you are likely to be a target...

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Nothing says steal me like a woman in high heels holding a purse.
A business man sucking a few down at the bar.
A guy in a high dollar suit and a brief case might be money or a laptop in it!)
A shiny new Lexus.
Living in a high dollar neighborhood
Even if you don't have any guns. In fact so much the better.

Showing all those is just as irresponsible as an NRA sticker.

The problem is thieves not so much what honest people do

There are people that can open up your car and take possession of anything of value in a matter of seconds.

I NEVER leave a gun in a vehicle overnight.
Ever.

Why would you tolerate living in a neighborhood like that?

It's amusing watching people try to justify their poor choices

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I take exception to your excuses.

Again, ignorance is the problem. Ignorance in that people just don’t know what’s available to them. And lacking the initiative to find out.

I could secure your home. Period. Is it cheap? No. But it can be done. Short of using a chain saw, they will not get.

Posts such as yours are typical. But untrue and misleading.

I have offed my expertise here several times. But very few have taken advantage of what I offer for no charge.

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No guns never left in my vehicles unless it is for a very short period of time, unloaded and stashed. Retrieved very shortly there after. Nothing never ever for a very long period of time.

I posted that I leave a gun in my locked truck and I've been call lazy, irresponsible, ignorant and lazy. Why should I be liable for the damage when someone steals my gun and does something illegal with it?
Someone steals my truck and has a wreck and injures someone am I responsible for that?
Someone knocks me in the head, steals my money, buys drugs and drives down the road and runs over someone. He used money that he stole from me to buy the drugs. Am I responsible because he bought drugs?
This is for the people that think my character and morals are lacking. A battery powered saw can cut a hole in your house door in a very few minutes. A cutting torch or disk grinder can open your safe. The sparks may set your house on fire but the burglar doesn't care. Your burglar alarm can be by passed and the mean dog can be shot. Your guns will be stolen. Do you think you should be held liable? Larry

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All a crook needs too do is steal a chain saw before he comes to your house? Larry

I don't... I'm in a semi-rural community where like minded people live and our local community is safe, an enclave of sanity. But venture into in San Francisco proper (25 miles) away, and it's an entirely different ball game.

What happened to that California car occurred out of state, while they were visiting relatives. The local "welcoming committee" wasn't impressed by the California plates.

States like Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Texas where Californian's are moving to escape our high cost of living, aren't very much appreciated when they bring their California politics with them and try to change the political landscape to what they left behind.

And I really don't blame the locals at all for feeling that way, I would to. I just don't want be to unjustly caught up in it just because I have California plates on my car... like in any state, not all Californian's are the same, and I'm not the stereotypical Californian.

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Yup. Good luck with that.

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Gun safes and pistol safes exist for a reason. Every responsible gun owner should use them. Do your part as a responsible gun owner and use them.

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I have a small FL PBA Decal on the left bottom side of the windshield on both cars.



Other than that, I have nothing. Well, the wife's car has a specialized vanity plate of her university. But that's just a the design. The license plate number of random gibberish.

I live in AZ so I have an NRA, Thin Blue Line & American Legion stickers as well as a lock box under the rear floor just in case I need to leave one in the car. Never have I had a problem. My SUV is also alarmed


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Same here. Same console too (Dodge pickup right?) My console safe is also secured by a steel cable to the driver's seat. I keep it there because every day I have to go to work where they don't allow firearms.

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I have a TSA approved lockbox cabled to the seat frame in my truck. On the odd occasion I need to lock my EDC up, that's what I use. Clear the weapon, lock it up, tuck the box under the seat, lock the truck, all as discreet as possible. Stick the magazine in my hoodie pocket. Should Mr. Bad Guy still manage to get it, he'll need a mag. Good luck with that these days.

You can spend thousands securing your house and a thief can spend $50 at Harbor Freight for a battery powered angle grinder and cut through your steel door in less than 1 minute

Does this mean you are reckless because you don't live where 50 people have a view of all your doors.

Are every one of your guns in a quality safe every time you leave the
house? Night stand gun locked up every morning before you leave for work or the store?

If not how much more responsible are you than the guy who locks his in a car.

Guns in house in safe? Is that much better than gun in car in small secured safe?

I am I irresponsible because I don't have a alarm system?

Who appointed you as the judge and jury in theses cases?


Note, I never said leaving a gun in your rig was a great idea. I am just saying where do you draw the line on responsible?

Here is a case in point. The nearest social security office to me is over 125 miles away in a larger town. So if, I go there must I do the whole trip unarmed because I can not enter with a gun and leaving my gun in a small safe cabled to the seat brackets, while my truck is parked in plain sight on the down town street is "irresponsible"?

How about my local post office, where the chances that some one would hit my truck in the 10 minutes I am inside are far less likely than them breaking into your secured house in the big city?


I get it that we should not be careless, but to many of you are placing blame on gun owners when the real blame is on thieves.

Is the guy who gets his pocket picked for $500 that is used to buy a back alley gun less responsible for the results than the guy whose truck gets hit? Why? Either persons carelessness made it real easy for a low life to get a gun.

And trust me your home is not secure someone really decided they wanted in to it.

Some timed explosives in a few dumpsters a few miles away when your not home. Then your locks are going to be driven right through your doors. Carry in a small plasma cutter to handle the safes door. 30 minutes while every cop in the country is going to blown up dumpsters (or the back walls of banks) A radio jammer thrown in during the middle of it would make it better.

Normal. No. For most people its not worth it and your common meth head isn't going there.

But once again just where is the line?

Why am I more responsible for the actions of a car prowler than the true pro. I didn't raise either one of them. I didn't give them a gun. I didn't tell them to shoot anyone. Is my truck worse than the pawn shops around here with the glass' Yea, some got bars, but a pickup and a chain make those go away.

A locked car door, or Fort Knox

I don't have any 'stickers' on my truck or my house.....

I do have my personal defense sidearm on my person. Not in the pickup truck.

My truck rifle is secured in a discrete location with the electric switch hidden,
a rifle locking system that was like the system that was used my unmarked unit.

As far as other folks and how they carry or stow the firearms, that be their business.


So, I'm good.


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I have a Masonic Decal which indicates I was a past master of the lodge, and a NRA Life Member decal on the back glass of my old T-100 pickup. But here in the Arkansas, nearly every other vehicle has an NRA decal; so it ain't no big deal. My truck is unlocked and I have an old S&W 32 H.E. loaded with 98 grain S&W Long SWC's in my glove compartment. It has an Arkansas finish, and I figure it is about all I need for protection around here.

I've had a personalized tag since the 1980s which has to do with one of my hobbies. And I have some collegiate decals. I usually do not leave firearms in my vehicle except when traveling and there's places that ban them. I keep my doors locked. However, if someone enters my vehicle and steals my firearm, THEY are the one TOTALLY responsible for whatever is done with it after that point.

The old joke used to be you could reduce TVI complaints significantly
if you took the ham call tag off your car.

Local state cop got hit a few years back while on vacation. Thieves hot-wired the tractor after they broke into the barn. They used the back hoe and high lift to break through side of his house and load the gun safes into a truck.

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What has been the reaction of the guard at the metal detector when he found the magazine? If I was taking bets I would bet that at some courthouses you would be on the floor in handcuffs before you knew what hit you. Larry

I don't know about the availability of chain saws where you live but around here everybody has at least one so it's not very difficult too find one too steal. Larry

On at least two occasions while I was the Marshal in town, I removed rifles and shotguns from unlocked vehicles with the windows down. One was parked right in front of town hall and the other at a local restaurant. I took the guns to the PD and waited for the dummy's to come and report their guns stolen.

The burglar had apparently been surprised by the cat while removing the Browning from under the seat. Most folks would have had a sphincter failure at that point.

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When a safe storage law hits your state, all you have to do is scroll through this thread to know who to thank.

I walked around a chicken coop at work one night and almost stepped on a female bobcat. She just sat there and looked at me. So I threw her a hard boiled egg.

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Do American Flag decals count?

Unfortunately, the way things are in some locations, it could be.

Is the thief solely responsible for stealing a gun from a car? Yes.

Are violent acts committed with said gun the responsibility of the lawful gun owner? No.

Are people free to do what they want with their property? Yes, and it should stay that way.

Are people who negligently leave guns out in the open, whether on the seat/dashboard of your car or visible through your house's windows, stupid? Yes.

Is wanting to take reasonable precautions to secure one's guns paranoia? No.

And around here you would have been out of a job the first time and lucky if not charged with theft. You don't take anything out of anybody's outfit here no matter who you are.