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Old 10-04-2020, 08:16 AM
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I love vests for easy and effective concealment nine months a year. I wish I could get one that didn't scream combat, but offered several inside pockets and looked less military. Does anyone know of such a garment, if so please share. Thank you!
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A little pricey, but you may want to look up SCOTTeVEST. I've never used them, but they seem like they'd suit your needs.
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Choose something that blends where you live and with how you dress. In the fall, winter and spring, I'm generally found in western boots, blue jeans and a western hat. A western style leather or denim vest fits well with that an it's not out of place where I live now in NC.

When I lived in northern VA I had to choose differently, as western boots, hat, and other stuff I normally wore in South Dakota stood out.
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The word "tactical" always amuses me. I have a 5.11 "tactical" and threw it on this morning for a walk and I could feel that there were a pair if gloces in there somewhere but it took me a while to get into the inside of the inside hidden pocket to finally dig them out.
I have had it with the multi-pocket creations that scream you are an old fool that is trying to hide a gun while looking like someone who retired from the SWAT team or think you are a cameraman on safari.
I love vests and have now settled on the simplest design's possible. My only must have is a chest pocket zipper because it is a great place to keep a cell phone within hearing range and it needs to be long enough to cover a OWB high ride pancake holster.
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NRA sells a couple of leather vest that are nice, they are western cut.
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I always assume anyone wearing a vest that isn't carrying a fly rod or doesn't have a big camera around the neck is carrying a pistol. Most of the time, you can see the pistol . . .
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As part of carry class, I demonstrated effective concealed carry. I had a Walls jacket that contained a revolver. The I pulled out the other 4 (empty) pistols I was carrying. I invited the class to guess before I demonstrated, and they always just focused on the vest and never guessed the rest.
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Maybe it is just me but I react to vests the same way I react to fanny packs. I figure there is almost certainly a gun in there somewhere. That being said the ScottEVest mentioned earlier in the string looks intriguing, though I don't know that I have ever seen one on the street.
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The ScotteVests and other travel vests don't look tactical. But, IMO they are too hot to wear in the summer and they add one too many layers to draw a pistol from in the winter when you already have a coat on. They're really only good for two seasons.

If you're OK wearing a vest, would you be OK wearing a work shirt like a Carhart or a Dickies instead? Short sleeve or long sleeve. You could wear it unbuttoned like a vest or buttoned like a shirt.
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I have a Noble Outfitters ranch tough vest I’ve been wear for years. Their owned by 511 tactical. It’s has plenty of pockets, side snaps for outdoor open carry and its beaver tailed. The interior pocket and chest pockets are big enough for a sig 365 or a 442.
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Where I live a Carhartt vest fall to spring looks just right and fits in with my rural area. A friend of mine works in a bicycle shop in an urban setting. He wears a "lab coat" multi pocket about mid thigh length. One pocket is cut to allow a grip on a belt holster firearm. This looks much in place in his setting, even when he leaves the shop no one notices just another person wearing what they wear. He would look ridicules in my rural setting.
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I have been wearing vests from about October through April for several years now. However, my vests come from regular stores and are not made by tactical apparel manufacturers. I hope they stay in fashion a lot longer. It’s not that I care about fashion but it allows me to blend in better.

My favorite has been a five pocket Carhart but it is a little on the warmer side. I often carry loads of stuff in the inside pockets and a can of OC in the hand warmer pocket. I wear some fleece vests with nicer clothing but only carry a can of OC in the hand warmer pockets.
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SCOTTeVEST makes a featherweight model with 16 pockets. But even their "middle weight" vest isn't bulky. I live in Vegas and wear them in 100+ degree heat with no problem. Nor do I feel out of place or that people are staring at me.


Here's a picture from their website.




Me and the wife from a few months ago on vacation in Arizona in July.




On the USS Midway in San Diego in August.
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A tactcal or photo vest screams gun. Look at western wear if you want a vest.
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Use the Columbia Sportswear Men's Silver Ridge Vest myself.

Lots of pockets, but very light and not suitable for carrying a lot of weight.

Back in the day, folks wore Hawaiian shirts.

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You could always go for something that looks less "tactical" and more outdoorsy like a hunting vest, especially if you live near a more wooded area where nobody would blink an eye at a hunter's vest.

That being said, unless you're talking about a vest that looks like something S.W.A.T. or Military would wear with all sorts of pouches, straps, bandoleers and a plate carrier on it, then it's most likely that the only person who is going to think you look obvious is yourself.
Honestly, I see folks obsessing all the time over their attire, thinking that certain styles or even brands of clothing along are somehow tipping folks off that you're carrying a gun, if not outright telegraphing it to everyone in a five block radius.

Believe it or not, ordinary people don't go actively scouting everyone around them, attempting to determine whether or not they are armed. That's an overly self-conscious if not outright paranoid way of thinking.

Personally, I wear 5.11 Tactical Pants, one of the brands that so many folks insist might as well be transparent because apparently everyone, including folks who have no interest whatsoever in firearms or mountain climbing is aware of the brand and instantly recognizes it at a glance, then automatically knows that you're carrying a firearm.
Meanwhile, despite the fact that I've been wearing 5.11 Tactical Pants for over a year now, I've yet to have anyone eyeballing my pants suspiciously, much less confronting me about how my pants or the gun they have ascertained at a glance based on style/brand is tucked inside the waistband.

Realistically speaking, 5.11 Tactical Pants look no different than any other style of heavy duty cargo pants, and normal people don't survey everyone around them, taking note of their clothing, or attempting to figure out who might be carrying a concealed weapon based on said clothing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that there are paranoid folks who do that sort of thing, but then again, they're probably the same sort of folks who believe in all sorts of conspiracies ranging from the world secretly being ruled by an advanced subterranean society of humanoid reptiles to the sadly common belief that the average inept, out-of-touch, anti-gun politician is some sort of evil genius who has formulated an elaborate, long-term plan to systematically rob all citizens of their civil rights and rule the nation by force, even though they cannot possibly achieve their goals within their own lifetime.
But again, people who aren't paranoid don't think that way, ergo the probability of the average person you pass on the street figuring that you're armed based on your attire within reason, is extremely low. Just don't go around dressed like you're part of a S.W.A.T. Team or an actively deployed Soldier and you'll be fine.

Honestly, the sort of folks who think that styles or brands of clothing are an infallible indication that someone is carrying a firearm is most likely into firearms themselves, and is probably the sort who also thinks that anyone who wears clothing with Military Logos on them is in the military themselves, or that anyone who wears a baseball cap must be a hardcore fan of baseball.
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I am just young enough to regularly pull off Patagonia fleece vests. Both my brother and I spend at least six months a year wearing those, usually concealing a smaller handgun. If you look inside mine, there is pronounced wear on the gun side, but well concealed.

The popularity of nylon sun/fishing zip shirts has been great this summer. They don’t conceal great, but better than a polo or t-shirt.

Reference the ask, a few questions:
What is the carry gun?
What is the holster type and location on body?
What is your normal style of clothes? Do you dress to a certain age?
What is your general location, weather wise?
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I like my Filson Travel Vest, but it does have a tactical/photographer edge.
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As some have pointed out have you considered some sort of button shirt instead of a vest? Tommy Bahama, while expensive, can and does blend in anywhere.

Also while slightly expensive Vertx has a line of both polo and button shirts with built in half undershirts. The button shirt is actually a pullover because of the built in part.

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My favorite warm weather cover-up are dark floral patterned Hawaiian untucked shirts, they are a fat man's best friend!
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It's either A S&W model 36 or PPK-S both in a Galco IWB appendix style in the northeast region. I want the vest for Oct-Apr
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You could always go for something that looks less "tactical" and more outdoorsy like a hunting vest, especially if you live near a more wooded area where nobody would blink an eye at a hunter's vest.

That being said, unless you're talking about a vest that looks like something S.W.A.T. or Military would wear with all sorts of pouches, straps, bandoleers and a plate carrier on it, then it's most likely that the only person who is going to think you look obvious is yourself.
Honestly, I see folks obsessing all the time over their attire, thinking that certain styles or even brands of clothing along are somehow tipping folks off that you're carrying a gun, if not outright telegraphing it to everyone in a five block radius.

Believe it or not, ordinary people don't go actively scouting everyone around them, attempting to determine whether or not they are armed. That's an overly self-conscious if not outright paranoid way of thinking.

Personally, I wear 5.11 Tactical Pants, one of the brands that so many folks insist might as well be transparent because apparently everyone, including folks who have no interest whatsoever in firearms or mountain climbing is aware of the brand and instantly recognizes it at a glance, then automatically knows that you're carrying a firearm.
Meanwhile, despite the fact that I've been wearing 5.11 Tactical Pants for over a year now, I've yet to have anyone eyeballing my pants suspiciously, much less confronting me about how my pants or the gun they have ascertained at a glance based on style/brand is tucked inside the waistband.

Realistically speaking, 5.11 Tactical Pants look no different than any other style of heavy duty cargo pants, and normal people don't survey everyone around them, taking note of their clothing, or attempting to figure out who might be carrying a concealed weapon based on said clothing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that there are paranoid folks who do that sort of thing, but then again, they're probably the same sort of folks who believe in all sorts of conspiracies ranging from the world secretly being ruled by an advanced subterranean society of humanoid reptiles to the sadly common belief that the average inept, out-of-touch, anti-gun politician is some sort of evil genius who has formulated an elaborate, long-term plan to systematically rob all citizens of their civil rights and rule the nation by force, even though they cannot possibly achieve their goals within their own lifetime.
But again, people who aren't paranoid don't think that way, ergo the probability of the average person you pass on the street figuring that you're armed based on your attire within reason, is extremely low. Just don't go around dressed like you're part of a S.W.A.T. Team or an actively deployed Soldier and you'll be fine.

Honestly, the sort of folks who think that styles or brands of clothing are an infallible indication that someone is carrying a firearm is most likely into firearms themselves, and is probably the sort who also thinks that anyone who wears clothing with Military Logos on them is in the military themselves, or that anyone who wears a baseball cap must be a hardcore fan of baseball.
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HAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! Muss, you crack me up!!!

I have lived in vests of all types for the past 25 or so years. There was a period of time when they were stylish and I liked the look so I bought a few. I didn't hide a gun with them (I was carrying a Beretta 950 BS in my pocket but that was long before the CHL law passed here), I just liked them. Then I started cowboy action shooting in the late 90s and everything I wore came straight from my closet, jeans, boots, appropriate shirt, and a vest. I had a few but then I got really into them and started having them custom made or buying fancy ones in western wear stores. All kinds of bright and blinding colors, all cut western.

Then, a few years went by and the CHL law passed and I started carrying larger guns IWB. Nobody EVER looked at me (except friends who knew me well) and said anything about guns and I never felt self conscious about it. I wore those vests everywhere, Israel, Italy, New York, New Jersey, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, EVERYDAY to work, etc. Not once did I ever feel like I was being checked out by anyone for a gun.

GUN PEOPLE DO THAT. The rest of society doesn't give it a thought.

Moreover, over the course of time, I acquired a number of "outdoors"-type vests, the typical photo journalist or fishing type and, still, on planes, in theaters, restaurants, wherever, not one issue with anyone, not ever.

I think it's the gun community that's paranoid about vests - nobody else cares.

Scully makes leather concealed carry vests and so does Wyoming Traders. I had a number of those types from several makers before my fire in 2018 (lost all my vests) and I have a lot of new vests now that I can and do sometimes use to cover an IWB rig but the Wyoming Trader concealed carry vest I have has great pockets for gun, magazines, etc. You don't have to wear tactical clothing to easily hide firearms.

I don't know about 5-11s but Tru-Spec makes rip stop tactical type pants with excellent pockets for concealing firearms larger even than J frames. Again - nobody pays attention.
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The one I have is a little lighter weight and doesn't have flapped breast pockets but it's pretty close to the one in the picture otherwise. Plenty of places on line to get one.
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I wear this vest everywhere I go. Very discreet......lol

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5.11 Covert is best i've found and have more than one. about $85. summertime i wear Scottevests. my vests serve same purpose for me as a purse does for women. and they do a good job of covering firearms.
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It's camouflage. They probably don't even see you
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It’s not hippie gun haters I worry about making me. It’s gangbangers that have spent more time inside interview rooms, court, jail, and prison than half the cops in my hometown. A few years ago I was wearing 5.11 pants and a plaid button down working intelligence outside a club one night. Employees at the club knew I was going to stand with them at the door. About an hour into watching to see who was entering I got a text that I had been made. Local police had a CI notify them that everyone was talking on a Facebook about an undercover cop in “Fed-pants“ standing at the door of the club.
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Well, if you're really on duty then I suspect the last thing you should be wearing is 5.11s. Jeans are far more appropriate.

ISCS stands for "Senior Chief Intelligence Specialist" so I've been there and done some of that. Years ago I was working on a project for the CINC in the library of the Southern Command in Quarry Heights, Panama, which was the HQ at the time. Tall, clean cut guy comes in, khaki pants, vest, white shirt. Earpiece, too, but that was just lagniappe as far as I was concerned. I was in uniform. I looked up, smiled, said, "Hi. You're CIA, right?"

He looks at me, flabbergasted. "How did you know?"

"Seriously? With that outfit, here in Panama?"

On a parallel note, in a prior life I was a pharmacist. For awhile I worked in a medical center in Spanish Harlem. Two VERY white dudes walk in, one is at least 6 feet and husky, the other one is solid but maybe 5'8", maybe less. They start to ask me something and I blurted out, "You two are cops, right?" They look startled and ask, "How did you know?".

"Seriously?"

I'm not a law enforcement officer and I don't play one on TV but after having been there and done that, or things like that, I can tell you that if you want to blend in then wear what the locals wear. Before I ever went to Panama I researched local customs and I told my Navy colleagues two things, the first being don't wear jeans and the second being don't wear shorts. Panamanaian men don't dress like that so your clothes say "AMERICAN"!!!

Gangbangers don't wear 5.11s. Same story, different time and place.

Europeans don't wear western style vests but at that point I was a total tourist so it didn't matter. But in America it does so I choose my vests a little more carefully between NYC and Durango.......
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It's either A S&W model 36 or PPK-S both in a Galco IWB appendix style in the northeast region. I want the vest for Oct-Apr
Seems like a sweet spot - concealable firearms, AIWB and seasonal clothing. I don’t think you could do any better, as that it is what I do as well.

Eddie Bauer had some lightly insulated zip front vests that had a stretchy synthetic side/back for a few seasons. They were GREAT to conceal at One or Two O'clock AIWB, but would print like nothing else anywhere else. That works for me too when it gets a little colder. I recall the Carhartt and likely LL Bean made similar Hybrid vests.

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For what it is worth, Muss nailed it on 5.11 and even Vertx. You aren’t fooling any significant threats out on the street - there is a reason the 5.11 wear was referred to as “shoot-me-first pants” 20 years ago. Wear them if they meet your needs, but understand any street savvy bad guy keys on them instantly and evaluates you as a potential threat... or a potential victim who happens to be carrying a gun.

There are times I will choose to look a smidge overt... Swimming with sharks and all.... Most of the time I want to look like a kindly college professor.
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I bought one of the Eddie Bauer light weight insulated vests last year after Christmas sales. I always buy one size larger and it covers an OWB small 9mm carried at 4 O'Clock behind the hip. I can wear it up to 55 degrees or so and still be comfortable.

I have 5 vests, including a 5-11 type which is Heavy and stiff, probably my least favorite vest.
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This clearly is a real issue because it comes up over and over and over again on just about every gun forum out there.

I don't have any problem believing that 95% of the people I encounter on a daily basis have no idea what 5.11 means. They're not the people I'm worried about.

The people I'm worried about are the 5% that do recognize those clothes and know exactly what they are.

I said this the last time this discussion came up and it's true so I'm going to say it again. The next time you see any kind of cop getting interviewed on TV look at what he's wearing. It's almost always going to be the 5.11 pants and the 5.11 Polo. It's literally a uniform.

I've said this before but a criminal , especially a criminal, who's been arrested by somebody wearing 5.11s is going to know what they are.

They may not be able to tell you "Those are 5.11 pants." but I bet they can tell you that cops wear them. Those are the people whose attention I'm trying to avoid.

Another thing that I've noticed is it there is a certain type of concealed carrier who wears the Tactical Tuxedo on purpose because he wants people to think he's an "operator" . There was a guy that used to live in my apartment complex who would walk around in his Karate pants all the time. He wanted everybody who saw him to know he wasn't the guy you wanted to mess with without actually having to say it. That's what I think of every time I see someone who isn't a cop wearing the 5.11.

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I have a Columbia Fleece vest that I wear in the winter. I wear Wrangler Cargo pants for my extra pockets and the only thing overtly "Tactical" I wear is my Wilderness Tactical Belt but since I wear my shirt untucked no one sees it anyway.

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Started wearing vests back in the 1980s .... made/sold by "Banana Republic" for the yuppie crowd..........


At +60 I need pockets..... reading glasses, sun glasses, keys,car keys, wallet and money clip,flashlight, pen etc.

Today I've added Duluth Trading "Dry on the Fly" or "Working man's"vests and in the fall/winter lightweight fleece vest (1-3 zippered pockets) over a lite flannel shirt or oxford cloth shirt........ layered look and you can leave the fleece on indoors

Another good "cover" evenings and weekends or if you're retired is an LLB flannel lined "Hurricane" shirt.... one size large worn as a "shirt jac"..... been a standard with me for at least 30 years.

Fishing style shirts in the summer months are good to go..... mostly squared tales to wear. Expensive alternative the "Un-tuck-it" shirts worn by all the "millennial cool kids"
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I can't believe nobody has mentioned, or possibly even knows, that Berne makes an entire line of CCW outerwear for men and women. Vests and jackets, heavyweight and lightweight. This is the Echo One vest. Every bit as good as Carhartt and for a vest to carry in you can't find better...
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On 5.11 pants...

I did some backpacking in Europe during 2006. I wore 5.11/Royal Robbins pants on that trip because they were tough and had pockets, etc. but mostly to send the message I was an angry American with a past service history. I expected the bad guys might not respond to 5.11 pants, but expected the good guys would. It was a clear signal - along with my Nike boots, Patagonia jacket and ball cap.

That trip took me to varied places and numerous interfaces with law enforcement in a heightened terrorism environment, including numerous London Tube stations targeted in the 7/7/2005 attacks and several French locations that have been subsequently struck. I got exactly the results expected when interfacing with local authorities.
That was 15 years ago.
On a different continent.
5.11s send a loud message.

Smoke is dead right too. If you think 5.11 is subtle, you are only fooling yourself.
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Duluth Trading used to make a "snipe vest". It had a big concealed section - the whole left side, actually - meant to be stuffed with dead birds.
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Okay, I gotta ask... Is there a specific style of 5.11 Pants that are suspicious or are folks honestly saying that ANY pants made by 5.11 are obvious?
I ask because I wear two different kinds. The original 5.11 Tactical Pants previously branded Royal Robin and made for Mountain Climbing. They're canvas cargo pants, with a strap on the back for securing climbing rope/gear, and the specific ones I own only have one very small tag (smaller than my pinky finger nail) on the outside of a pocket that even identifies them as "5.11" nothing else. The others are their Tac-Lites made of a lighter, polyester fabric with less pockets and no strap on the back. To me, neither of these styles are particularly conspicuous, especially not in the area where I live in which cargo pants aren't uncommon attire during Autumn/Winter.

Furthermore, only my pants and belt are 5.11, my shirts are Deluth Trading Co, Hanes, or just plain Fruit of the Loom depending on the season, and my shoes are generally canvas sneakers. It's also worth noting that I've been wearing cargo pants of various styles for years, (long before I ever carried a firearm) because I tend to carry a lot of things with me and as previously stated, they're not uncommon in my area. So while they may be conspicuous if you live in more urban environments where nobody ever wears cargo pants, they're don't really stand out all that much if you live outside of the city wear less folks are wearing skinny jeans, slacks, leggings, or stretch pants.
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Okay, I gotta ask... Is there a specific style of 5.11 Pants that are suspicious or are folks honestly saying that ANY pants made by 5.11 are obvious?
I ask because I wear two different kinds. The original 5.11 Tactical Pants previously branded Royal Robin and made for Mountain Climbing. They're canvas cargo pants, with a strap on the back for securing climbing rope/gear, and the specific ones I own only have one very small tag (smaller than my pinky finger nail) on the outside of a pocket that even identifies them as "5.11" nothing else.
I can't speak for where you live but in Colorado Springs they are the issue uniform for the El Paso County Sheriff's Office. They're also an optional uniform for CSPD. AMR issues them and at least a couple of security companies issue them too. They're pretty noticeable and just about anytime you see a spokesperson on TV that's what they're wearing.

I'm almost positive that Blues7 posted that he's seen criminals notice someone carrying a handcuff key. I'm pretty sure they'd recognize an actual pair of police uniform pants.

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I have a blue and a black NRA jean vests. I replaced the holsters with White Hat max tuck that comes with a Velcro backing. The vests also come with Velcro so it is very easy to attach. I carry Officer sized framed 1911s with ease and the vest material is heavy enough to handle the weight. Its as convenient as a shoulder holster. When its too cold for just a vest I wear a coat over it.
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I wore 511s today and didn't carry a gun. I do firearms instruction for a large defense contractor and they go bat-doo-doo crazy about live guns or ammo in the classroom, but they insist on the 511s and a bright red shirt with INSTRUCTOR on the front. Luckily I am the irresponsible sort who keeps a truck gun (currently a Taurus Model 85 .38) but even when I stop somewhere on the way home I hardly ever stick it in my waistband.

I've been hearing the "shoot me first" thing for decades. Has it ever happened? If it hasn't happened by now, is it really worth worrying about?

I also wore a vest today. A Carhart jobbie that cost me 8 bucks at the thrift store. And my raggedy Beretta hat. I'm surprised I survived.

On most days I wear my other tactical uniform of jeans, Simpsons T shirt, unbuttoned Aloha shirt, poorly concealed pistol of some sort in my waistband, and the aforementioned raggedy Beretta hat.

In my humble experience, criminals are generally morons. For every one that spots a pair of 511s or a handcuff key, 26 more are walking up to marked units and trying to sell them dope.
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I dunno, sigP220 .45...

I mean, you may be a firearms instructor and all, but with so many folks on the internet speaking so boldly about how wearing 5.11 brand clothing will totally get you killed because the super clever gangbangers of today are so savy when it comes to firearms and the latest fashion worn by LEOs and gun-toting civilians alike, they must know what they're talking about, most likely from some reliable source if not first-hand experience.

So yeah, I think that I'll go ahead and throw out my 5.11s immediately because I was obviously dressed far too much like an obvious undercover police officer this summer when I wore 5.11 Tac-Lite shorts with colorful Fruit of the Loom Tank Tops, Hawaiian Shirts, and Sandals. Much like I was too conspicuous today when I was out shopping in 5.11 Tactical Pants, Deluth T-Shirt, and Converse Chuck Taylor All-Star High Tops. I mean, who was I kidding? My everyday attire practically screams; "I'm armed, shoot me!" so I had better stop dressing so conspicuously by dressing with a man-bun, a plunging V-Neck which shows off my meticulously manscapped chest, and a pair of either skinny jeans or stretch pants. After all, I would blend in perfectly dressed like that, completely inconspicuous, and with a look that screams; "Don't shoot, I'll give you ANYTHING you want!"
Sure, I'll have to learn how to properly keister my firearm since obviously I won't be able to conceal it on my person in my new attire, but at least I won't stand out or look like an undercover cop, right? After all, plenty of guys who look like me dress like that nowadays. No way would my age, height, muscular build, thousand-yard stare, facial scars, or speech pattern make me look like an undercover cop dressed like that, especially not if I start using modern slang like "lit" or whatever else they're saying these days.

Oh, and in case I just wasn't laying it on quite thick enough for everyone here, I'm being sarcastic.
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I mean, you may be a firearms instructor and all, but with so many folks on the internet speaking so boldly about how wearing 5.11 brand clothing will totally get you killed because the super clever gangbangers of today are so savy when it comes to firearms and the latest fashion worn by LEOs and gun-toting civilians alike, they must know what they're talking about, most likely from some reliable source if not first-hand experience.

So yeah, I think that I'll go ahead and throw out my 5.11s immediately because I was obviously dressed far too much like an obvious undercover police officer this summer when I wore 5.11 Tac-Lite shorts with colorful Fruit of the Loom Tank Tops, Hawaiian Shirts, and Sandals. Much like I was too conspicuous today when I was out shopping in 5.11 Tactical Pants, Deluth T-Shirt, and Converse Chuck Taylor All-Star High Tops. I mean, who was I kidding? My everyday attire practically screams; "I'm armed, shoot me!" so I had better stop dressing so conspicuously by dressing with a man-bun, a plunging V-Neck which shows off my meticulously manscapped chest, and a pair of either skinny jeans or stretch pants. After all, I would blend in perfectly dressed like that, completely inconspicuous, and with a look that screams; "Don't shoot, I'll give you ANYTHING you want!"
Sure, I'll have to learn how to properly keister my firearm since obviously I won't be able to conceal it on my person in my new attire, but at least I won't stand out or look like an undercover cop, right? After all, plenty of guys who look like me dress like that nowadays. No way would my age, height, muscular build, thousand-yard stare, facial scars, or speech pattern make me look like an undercover cop dressed like that, especially not if I start using modern slang like "lit" or whatever else they're saying these days.

Oh, and in case I just wasn't laying it on quite thick enough for everyone here, I'm being sarcastic.

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