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Old 10-07-2020, 10:40 AM
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I recently purchased my first Glock, a 21. mainly for home protection. With the weather getting cooler and jacket required I'm considering using it as a carry gun. In the past I've always carried a revolver in a thumb break paddle holster and am concerned about using a pistol that is in battery with no external safety. Any thoughts on this?
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Any of the striker fired pistols are fine to be carried fully loaded but must be carried in a holster covering the trigger guard.
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I have used and carried Glocks for over 30 years. Make sure you buy a quality holster and keep your finger off the trigger.

I have shot USPSA and Glock Competition and never an issue. If wearing a cover garment make sure the loose end of it does not catch on the gun.

The 21 is one of my favorites. You'll like it.

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Good advice above. I've been carrying Glocks on and off the job since 1989...with nary an issue.

If you are so inclined, a useful "gadget" to make your gun safer while holstering can be found here:

Striker Control Device



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(I have them on my four Glocks, but only over the past three years, so obviously familiarity and discipline are most important. That said, things happen when Mr. Murphy comes to visit and I am happy to have purchased these for my guns. I have no affiliation with the company, nor any financial interest.)

ETA: The installation of the striker control device is easy and straightforward, takes literally only seconds.

You can find info about the device and how to install here:

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...triker+control
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As mentioned, a good holster is key to prevent AD's in your pocket. There are some that just snap over the trigger guard and work fine in that regard, if you are looking for minimalist.

The Zacchaeus(c) Concealment Holster - Dale Fricke Holsters
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I've carried Glocks in a lot of different holsters. And for owb Glock's own $12 Sport/Combat holster does the job as well as any of them. And why not plastic for plastic.
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Any thoughts on this?
My striker fired are my least favorite concealed carry to blindly holster IWB at the 4:30 position, off safe. I'll holster the gun first and then attach the full holster to my belt.
If I carried OWB at 3:00 like LEO service carry, I'd be fine with it.
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As others have said, trigger finger discipline and a good holster that covers the trigger guard are important.

I'd add that getting a holster that stays open for easy re-holstering is also important, as is looking at the holster when holstering to make sure there isn't anything that could catch the trigger, like a drawstring.

Don't have a Glock now, but I did have a Glock 23 and carried it both IWB and OWB without issue. If I were going to get a Glock again, I'd probably install the SCD that blues7 mentioned as an extra margin of safety, but that wouldn't eliminate the need for the measures I previously mentioned.

If you're concerned, try wearing your unloaded, but "cocked," Glock around the house for a week. Holster, un-holster, and re-holster with the aforementioned measures, and you'll probably find it's a non-issue.

Like handling any gun, paying attention to what you're doing is the key to safety.

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I have a Glock 21 and love it!
ALL my pistols have kydex holsters (Vedder & Safariland). My 21 uses a Safariland OWB with weapon light. My other pistols use the Vedder LightTuck AIWB.
If the gun is holstered when put on and taken off, there is no problem with an AD. JMO
The only time the gun should leave the holster while wearing when loaded is if it has to be used to save your life!!
You practice drawing with an unloaded weapon!

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For OWB carry in a holster covering the trigger guard, I keep a round chambered in the Glock 19. When stored within easy reach in the bedside dresser for home defense, I keep it unchambered with a full mag, so I don't have to worry that I might fumble and negligently discharge in the process of removing it for something that goes bump in the night, or when the dogs alert. Having to deliberately rack the slide requires me to shrug off sleep and become fully alert to the possiblity of a threat. It goes without saying that with any firearm, always keep your finger outside the trigger guard until ready to fire.
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Congrats on your Glock 21. It is an excellent choice for home protection. The Glock is no more dangerous to carry with a round chambered than any other striker fired pistol. The key as always is to carry in a good holster and to keep your finger and anything else out of the trigger guard. Practice safe handling and enjoy your Glock.
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Congrats on your Glock 21. It is an excellent choice for home protection. The Glock is no more dangerous to carry with a round chambered than any other striker fired pistol. The key as always is to carry in a good holster and to keep your finger and anything else out of the trigger guard. Practice safe handling and enjoy your Glock.
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Any of the striker fired pistols are fine to be carried fully loaded but must be carried in a holster covering the trigger guard.
I carried my agency issued G23 both on an off duty for 10 yrs, no problems. Heed the advise about the trigger guard being covered and you should be fine. My one caution is not to carry ANY striker fired pistol IWB/appendix, too dangerous IMHO.
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Thanks to all that relied. I ordered a G&G gold series LH paddle holster that completely covers the trigger guard as suggested and has a thumb break top strap for security. Given the current state of unrest my thinking was 5 rounds of 44 Special might not be adequate to protect me from a large group of "peaceful protesters".
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Always always always use a holster with a Glock when carrying.

I always reholster only after taking it off, inserting gun, then putting it back on.

Don't play quick-draw to impress your friends. Don't ever stuff it in your pants Mexican carry style and you will be fine.

Did I mention always use a holster? Use it as designed, your finger is the #1 best safety device, never put it on the trigger unless you are ready to shoot.
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I was trained for Israeli carry, Condition 3. This is the way I carry my full sized Glocks. It does require training but it takes less than a half second to chamber a round.
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Turn,,,I practice and carry my Glock in that fashion as well!
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Assuming you have two hands to use. That is unsafe.
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I recently purchased my first Glock, a 21. mainly for home protection. With the weather getting cooler and jacket required I'm considering using it as a carry gun. In the past I've always carried a revolver in a thumb break paddle holster and am concerned about using a pistol that is in battery with no external safety. Any thoughts on this?
Look into the Jason Winnie J122 holster, I carry my M&P in there and have 0 issues. Great quality and well worth the price and wait.
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With a striker fired SA, which would include your G21, it's important to use a non-deforming trigger blocking holster. Kydex holsters work well for this as do STIFF leather ones. Avoid soft leather and most fabric holsters.

The safest but fast holster IMO for your G21 is one of the Safariland ALS models. They come in both OWB as well as IWB versions. The ALS system is fast and snatch resistant while retaining the pistol well.
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I've always gone with kydex because they won't possibly crease and intrude into the trigger guard like a leather one might. I do have an IWB but haven't used it yet, OWB is a little less worrisome.
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The holster arrived yesterday and after working with it I think that an accidental discharge would be highly unlikely. In battery will be my mode of carry. I was surprised that a full sized semi-auto was so unobtrusive when worn under a loose fitting shirt.Thanks to everyone who responded for their opinion.
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The holster arrived yesterday and after working with it I think that an accidental discharge would be highly unlikely. In battery will be my mode of carry. I was surprised that a full sized semi-auto was so unobtrusive when worn under a loose fitting shirt.Thanks to everyone who responded for their opinion.
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Hats off to you guys willing to conceal carry a gun that large and heavy. I rarely even carry my Shield .45, preferring a J frame. 14 rounds of .45 is serious business.
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You carry a glock as it as designed for, chamber loaded. The glock has a safety built into the trigger. It cant go off unless something presses the trigger. I carry a g26 daily, iwb @ 3:30. I would not likely carry it aiwb, but then its isnt comfy anyway.
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A Glock should be carried with a round in the chamber, ready to go.

A holster is mandatory.

Kydex is an excellent choice.

As minconrevo mentioned above, Safariland ALS holsters (-especially if you like paddles) are incomparable. Nothing is faster, safer, and more secure.

Do not add any gadgets to a Glock.

There is a world full of perfectly serviceable pistols out there, from a host of manufacturers, available from the factory with traditional manual safeties. If you are not comfortable carrying a Glock as designed, I would never argue with you.

I would suggest that you buy a Sig, or a Smith, or a CZ, or an H&K, or an FN, or a Beretta, or...

I would argue that adding gadgets to a design not intended for them, especially the ones that require you to poke around with your finger, under stress, with a time component, in a space that is only designed to make the weapon fire, is not a wise idea.

My two cents? If you do not trust the Glock Safe Action system, then do not carry a Glock. But do not carry a neutered Glock just to make you feel "safe."
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It is the "Re-Holstering" of a Glock which is the danger period. Numerous Police Officers (including ones from my own old organization), have shot themselves in the legs during training. They have shot at their targets, reloaded and then rushed the re-holstering of their Glocks, forgetting to remove their finger from the trigger guard. As they push the gun down into the holster, their fingers have hit the side of the holster and set off the gun.
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It is the "Re-Holstering" of a Glock which is the danger period. Numerous Police Officers (including ones from my own old organization), have shot themselves in the legs during training. They have shot at their targets, reloaded and then rushed the re-holstering of their Glocks, forgetting to remove their finger from the trigger guard. As they push the gun down into the holster, their fingers have hit the side of the holster and set off the gun.
That's not a defect of the gun. That's poor training on the part of your colleagues.

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You carry a glck as it as designed for, chamber loaded. The glock has a saefty built into the trigger. It cant go off unless something presses the trigger. I carry a g26 daily, iwb @ 3:30. I would not likely carry it aiwb, but then its isnt comfy anyway.
Either you trust the design or you don't

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Finger off trigger, problem solved...
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Just a few thoughts from someone unfamiliar with Glocks...

I'll not criticize Glock advocates. If they feel comfortable with these guns, that's fine. As for after-market gadgets, they're usually for the gadgeteers who can't bring themselves to use anything out-of-the-box. It seems another gun would be better for them than re-designing the original.

Was the Glock design an attempt to improve upon the perceived disadvantage of the first shot double-action trigger pull of conventional double-action pistols? I think I may have read this thirty or more years ago when Glocks began to see regular use, but what I recall may not be correct.

I've never seen a disadvantage to traditional double-action. I'm very used to them and comfortable with such a setup. They're very safe and while some prefer a holster for carry, these guns don't require a holster for safety.

Again, it's all in what a person is familiar and comfortable with. It appears that Glocks have an excellent reputation, but we're all glad to have choices.
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I was thinking it was designed for the Austrian Army.

Mass produced off the shelf item. Relatively inexpensive, accurate enough, dependable, durable, simple battery of arms, simple to maintain, low part count.

Sounds like a military spec to me.
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Great info from top to bottom. My only addition is practice in front of a mirror to start and make sure you are keeping your finger off the trigger while drawing. Make sure the weapon is empty. Also practice putting the weapon back in the holster safely. I have seen an AD this way, scared the you kow what out of everyone there.
You could also practice in carry 3 --- IMHO not a bad thing to know. My key words are practice practice, get to know the routine in your sleep.
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Glock 19, the most sold handgun in the world, is the Model T of plastic semi's. Loose enough tolerences to keep firing when dirty, tight enough to remain accurate while dirty. For a combat handgun, hard to beat. Wear out a G19, you spent some serious years at the range.
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chiefdave, while the Glock is a very safe design, the most dangerous time is during reholstering. With your thumb break holster, be VERY cautious that the long outside end of the thumb break strap that goes over the back of the slide does not enter the trigger guard while inserting the pistol. I have seen that happen on the firing range. The trigger cannot tell the difference between a finger or a piece of leather that presses on it as the gun is pushed down into the holster pocket.
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chiefdave, while the Glock is a very safe design, the most dangerous time is during reholstering. With your thumb break holster, be VERY cautious that the long outside end of the thumb break strap that goes over the back of the slide does not enter the trigger guard while inserting the pistol. I have seen that happen on the firing range. The trigger cannot tell the difference between a finger or a piece of leather that presses on it as the gun is pushed down into the holster pocket.
IIRC, one of the more infamous instances of "Glock leg" happened because the guy was reholstering his Glock in a soft suede holster with a stretched-out, worn thumb break strap, when the strap went in the trigger guard and, well, you know what happened next.

Again, not a knock on the Glock design, but that user 1) didn't pay attention to the condition of his carry gear and 2) didn't pay attention while reholstering.

I was always taught to keep my thumb on the hammer when holstering, and is one of the reasons I prefer hammer-fired DA guns, and is also one of the reasons I like the SCD for Glocks. But none of that alleviates the need to pay attention to what you're doing. It just gives one a little more margin for error.

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Being a firearm owner is serious and requires similar seriousness of mindset and thought.

Carrying a firearm, even more so.

Carrying some firearms that may be less tolerant of poor training and stupid behavior, another notch up.

Some people think a gun is a talisman and don't cultivate a sound mindset and trained performance. It is not possible to have an unintended discharge (ND, maybe AD) with a properly functioning Glock unless one deviates from sound gun handling by a staggering amount.
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Wish I'd saved the source, but back in 2007 or so I saw a great picture that captured the answer to the OPs question.

It showed an M&P in a glass fronted box on a wall. The glass had a label reading "Break Glass in An Emergency". Hanging by a chain as a dedicated glass breaker was a Glock.
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Assuming you have two hands to use. That is unsafe.
Not true. We were trained (Navy in mid-90s by Marine instructors), in how to rack 1911s one-handed (either hand), in an emergency. We did this with live ammunition and no accidents.
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It is unsafe because the pistol is not ready for use. Military training and weapons status is based on a bad mix of a staggering level of institutional hoplophobia and having to deal with working to the lowest common denominator E-1. Training for the SOCOM tough dudes is different but not common.

When I was still in LE, we did some joint ops with the military for open houses on base and the like. Good folks, but the weapon handling was abysmal.
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Glock made the Glock to be carried like that. Loaded, holstered with the safe action trigger.
Israel practices a different method and anyone who isn’t comfortable carrying a gun loaded with no manual safety should adopt their method or use a different gun.
If I carry a Glock it’s chambered and holstered.
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I was trained for Israeli carry, Condition 3. This is the way I carry my full sized Glocks. It does require training but it takes less than a half second to chamber a round.
To put it to rest I was trained to carry condition 3 in the military with a M9. I have a 92AF that I used to carry. I have a Glock that I carry now. If I carried a M&P, Ruger, or Colt I would carry it in condition 3.

BTW: I don't need two hands to rack the slide and I don't feel the need for the +1 round. To each their own as this is personal preference.
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Not true. We were trained (Navy in mid-90s by Marine instructors), in how to rack 1911s one-handed (either hand), in an emergency. We did this with live ammunition and no accidents.
But did you do it while somebody was attacking you?
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I recently purchased my first Glock, a 21. mainly for home protection. With the weather getting cooler and jacket required I'm considering using it as a carry gun. In the past I've always carried a revolver in a thumb break paddle holster and am concerned about using a pistol that is in battery with no external safety. Any thoughts on this?
The striker is blocked until the trigger is pulled. The little dingus on the trigger stops inertia from pulling the trigger if you drop it. It doesn't have enough mass to engage from a drop situation.

For me, IWB holster with a clip. Firearm can be holstered before it goes in the waistband. If you're using a paddle, you could do the same.

I'm not trying to talk you into it, just laying out what I found when I wanted to carry a Glock.
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Wish I'd saved the source, but back in 2007 or so I saw a great picture that captured the answer to the OPs question.

It showed an M&P in a glass fronted box on a wall. The glass had a label reading "Break Glass in An Emergency". Hanging by a chain as a dedicated glass breaker was a Glock.
Be even better if it was an N frame behind the glass
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It is the "Re-Holstering" of a Glock which is the danger period. Numerous Police Officers (including ones from my own old organization), have shot themselves in the legs during training. They have shot at their targets, reloaded and then rushed the re-holstering of their Glocks, forgetting to remove their finger from the trigger guard. As they push the gun down into the holster, their fingers have hit the side of the holster and set off the gun.
Considering how little LEO actually shoot annually, ND arent really surprising. Look it into the holster, finger off trigger, pretty simple.
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That's not a defect of the gun. That's poor training on the part of your colleagues.



Either you trust the design or you don't
Not really a matter of trusting a proven design but training & practice. Same types of arguments were made back in the day about 1911 cocked & locked.
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Just a few thoughts from someone unfamiliar with Glocks...

I'll not criticize Glock advocates. If they feel comfortable with these guns, that's fine. As for after-market gadgets, they're usually for the gadgeteers who can't bring themselves to use anything out-of-the-box. It seems another gun would be better for them than re-designing the original.

Was the Glock design an attempt to improve upon the perceived disadvantage of the first shot double-action trigger pull of conventional double-action pistols? I think I may have read this thirty or more years ago when Glocks began to see regular use, but what I recall may not be correct.

I've never seen a disadvantage to traditional double-action. I'm very used to them and comfortable with such a setup. They're very safe and while some prefer a holster for carry, these guns don't require a holster for safety.

Again, it's all in what a person is familiar and comfortable with. It appears that Glocks have an excellent reputation, but we're all glad to have choices.
All handguns shpuld be in a quality holster. Disadvantage of long DA pull is missing your first shot or more. DA only guns require a lot more trigger time to be accurate at speed.
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Not true. We were trained (Navy in mid-90s by Marine instructors), in how to rack 1911s one-handed (either hand), in an emergency. We did this with live ammunition and no accidents.
That isnt the unsafe part Imo. Its the ability to respond to an attack in the shortest time period. Empty chamber carry requires may 100% more practice to be effective in a CQB incident w/o injurying yourself. Military doesnt require empty chanber because its efficient but because they think their troops arent smart/safe enough to carry a loaded gun.
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My understanding is that in the US military, a pistol isn’t a primary battle weapon, is carried by a minority of troops , and those that need to carry a round in the chamber do. No need to mock the intelligence level of the troops, of which your opinion may or may not be accurate . . .

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That isnt the unsafe part Imo. Its the ability to respond to an attack in the shortest time period. Empty chamber carry requires may 100% more practice to be effective in a CQB incident w/o injurying yourself. Military doesnt require empty chanber because its efficient but because they think their troops arent smart/safe enough to carry a loaded gun.
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You got some stats on how often LEO’s shoot? Real stats, not just coffee shop talk in your little corner of the world . . .

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Considering how little LEO actually shoot annually, ND arent really surprising. Look it into the holster, finger off trigger, pretty simple.
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