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Old 10-31-2020, 06:37 PM
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I tripped over my big feet and landed on my right side and left one very large bruise where I was carrying my Glock in my right pocket. giving some serious consideration to going back to Belt Carry. Of course may have the same problem with Belt carry. Maybe just try to stop tripping which is a good idea considering my advanced age and lack of coordination
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As someone who has also tripped over his own feet, I can sympathize.

That's a possibility no matter where you carry. It just depends on how you fall. Stay away from small-of-the-back carry, though, as a fall on your back could result in some potentially serious injuries.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but maybe different shoes might help? Or possibly a cane/walking stick? I've also seen exercises designed to help with one's balance and coordination. Tai Chi is often recommended. Just throwin' some stuff out there. Feel free to ignore.
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Occasionally I pocket carry a Baby Chief in my right back pocket.
The padding is much better.
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A little off topic, but once I had to stuff a model 66 revolver in my front belt. Like an appendix carry.

I had to bend over suddenly and unexpectedly to grab something. The revolver bruised an internal organ. I had excruciating pain in my gut for weeks.

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Friend had a 1911 in a IWB holster while ridding his heavy 4X4 quad. up a steep hill.

The front end came up and flipped over on top of him on its way back down the hill.

For weeks he had a really cool tattoo above his kidney that even showed the grip panel checkering!
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I got in a fight one night and wound up on my back. I hit the edge of the brick walkway with the teargas canister on my duty belt. It ruptured and I was in double pain


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You oughta try falling in a duty belt at speed. My S&W 66-2 combat grips are markedly different on one side . . .
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1911 IWB ?
The last time I had that much room was -
Never!
Front pocket, rear pocket, vest pocket, yes.
J Frame!
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I CCW pocket carry on plain clothes assignments until I was seated with seat belt on when suddenly the suspect appears and started walking to the car. I was unable to draw my weapon. That was the last time I pocket carried.
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I took a spill on the ice last winter that if I had been carrying my 44 in its typical shoulder holster I would have definitely broken some ribs.

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Another disadvantage to pocket carry is the inadvertent production of a hole in your femoral artery. Make sure you use the proper pocket holster to eliminate the possibility of trigger manipulation.
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I like pocket carry, in a pocket holster, for short durations. Say, just slipping out and back on a quick errand. But I find OWB, even with a light handgun — my EDC is a Colt DS — more comfortable for all day, or out on a long walk, etc. While I have no intention of finding out, tucked in where it is, a pancake behind the hip and under the ribcage, I think it's a pretty safe place, too, in the event of a spill.
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I like my pocket carry for my model 49 except I have to avoid sexy women as the gun somehow gets pushed up out of my pocket. lol
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I don't know how old you are grover99, but I am 85 and find myself kinda
unstable when I walk. The VA gave me a nice cane and it helps a lot. It
also helps to slow down a little bit.
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Never!...
Well we were both a lot younger and a lot skinnier back then.

I carried a 1911 in the same position while quadding, in a Milt Sparks Summer Special IWB holster, and one day decided to carry it cocked & locked on an empty chamber.

At the end of the day the safety had worked itself off, but the hammer stayed cocked.

Switched to a Glock 20.

These days I carry a skinnier Shield .40 there and can grab a handful of love handle blubber in about .02 seconds!
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1911 IWB ?
The last time I had that much room was -
Never!
Front pocket, rear pocket, vest pocket, yes.
J Frame!
Buy your trousers one size larger.
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If I get the urge to pocket carry an auto,
I put the Runt 9 in a pocket holster.
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[QUOTE=THE PILGRIM;140948864]1911 IWB ?
The last time I had that much room was -
Never!
Front pocket, rear pocket, vest pocket, yes.
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I really like my Air Marshal 3 by Kangaroo Carry. Have not pocket carried in 10 years. Check it out
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I use a pocket holster for my J Frame, or LCP, almost all the time b/c it just seems to work best for me. During the cold months the J Frame is in my jacket pocket, then transferred to my trouser pocket when I go indoors.
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I CCW pocket carry on plain clothes assignments until I was seated with seat belt on when suddenly the suspect appears and started walking to the car. I was unable to draw my weapon. That was the last time I pocket carried.
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Well we were both a lot younger and a lot skinnier back then.

I carried a 1911 in the same position while quadding, in a Milt Sparks Summer Special IWB holster, and one day decided to carry it cocked & locked on an empty chamber.

At the end of the day the safety had worked itself off, but the hammer stayed cocked.

Switched to a Glock 20.

These days I carry a skinnier Shield .40 there and can grab a handful of love handle blubber in about .02 seconds!
Being a long time 1911 guy I just have to ask; why would you carry empty chamber, cocked & locked??
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When carrying a gun there is really no place or no style of carry that is 100% invulnerable to falling. If all you have is a minor bruise - not too bad. Like you said, even belt carry won't eliminate that.

Small of the Back is the absolute worst place to carry and can severely hurt you in a fall. I don't like appendix carry either - I want to die with two nuts! LOL!!

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Being a long time 1911 guy I just have to ask; why would you carry empty chamber, cocked & locked??
Good question, I was testing my 1911 while riding my quadrunner all day on rough trails to see if the safety was going to stay engaged in that holster...it didn't.

The hammer did stay cocked anyway, but if it were to drop out there bouncing around I didn't want to shoot myself or my purty quad!

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You know it's got a grip safety as well, right? I'm not criticizing your manner of carry, but you gotta trust the mechanics of the pistol or I wouldn't carry it all. "Because that's the way I like to do it" is totally acceptable . . .

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Good question, I was testing my 1911 while riding my quadrunner all day on rough trails to see if the safety was going to stay engaged in that holster...it didn't.

The hammer did stay cocked anyway, but if it were to drop out there bouncing around I didn't want to shoot myself or my purty quad!

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You know it's got a grip safety as well, right?...
Of course I know that, but if rough riding can drop the thumb safety, who's to say it couldn't depress the grip safety and trip the trigger too, especially if i were to take a serious tumble?

...which I have.

Anyway, I ended up parting with the quad. and now I walk around in the woods with a .40 Shield and I'm happy.
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i was working plain clothes ,had my duty 1911 in a x-15 shoulder holster. cocked and locked. end of the day at home took it out of the holster, the saftety had worked off. got rid of the x-15....
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In the summer I pocket carry most of the time but switch to AIWB when driving. I keep the holsters in the glove box. My wife thinks this practice is a bit over the top.
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I’m 63. I was never super athletic but also never clumsy. I’m tripping more. I looked ahead to “seventy-five year old me” and worried. Not a CC issue but I bought a very expensive table saw, a SawStop model that senses skin and can stop the blade in milliseconds, before you cut a finger off. Age is tough.
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I tripped over my big feet and landed on my right side and left one very large bruise where I was carrying my Glock in my right pocket. giving some serious consideration to going back to Belt Carry. Of course may have the same problem with Belt carry. Maybe just try to stop tripping which is a good idea considering my advanced age and lack of coordination
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Good question, I was testing my 1911 while riding my quadrunner all day on rough trails to see if the safety was going to stay engaged in that holster...it didn't.

The hammer did stay cocked anyway, but if it were to drop out there bouncing around I didn't want to shoot myself or my purty quad!

I ride a Yamaha Grizzly quad over some extremely narly trails and will tell you it puts an incredible jarring motion on you and your gun and I would never trust a holster without a retention strap or retaining device. I prefer to carry hammer down on a loaded chamber with my Browning HP, CZ-75, 1911, etc. Revolvers are fine and I might carry my Sig 365 9m/m with a loaded chamber and thumb safety on, but I doubt it, for that type of riding I feel most comfortable with a gun with a hammer in the down position covered by a safety strap. I had my AR 15 slung over my shoulder while riding and it ripped the sling swivel right out of the steel rail and luckily I caught the gun before it hit the ground. I've had a few items that I thought were extremely well secured to the back rack and got to my destination and they weren't there, so don't underestimate how rough the ride really is.

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I only Pocket Carry my BUG, the Ruger LCP, which is carried in the Pocket Holster it came with inside of a cargo pocket with a velcro-secured flap situated just above the knee.
Due to the location and nature of the pocket, it remains perfectly secure, out of the way, and can be drawn easily from a seated position. It's unlikely that I would fall in any way that could cause me to land directly on top of it, and even if I did, it's so slim, so flat, and so well cushioned by the foam-rubber holster that I doubt that I would sustain much of a bruise from it.
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No can do. Trousers would keep falling off.

Even with the right size they can do that. Maybe my butt is too small.

And. Pocket carry is not for me. At least not in my trousers.
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I front pocket carry when I need very deep concealment but I avoid it at other times.

I can’t get to my gun while seated, and I don’t like pointing a loaded pistol at the person seated across from me at a restaurant.
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I routinely pocket carry a M649 and I am EXCEEDINGLY aware of the fact that whilst seated the gun is basically unreachable. That is the primary negativity of pocket carry. I seriously do not worry about the gun going off while seated at dinner. I also stay very much aware of my surroundings to give myself wriggle time if the need arises.

That said, I do wear my trousers a size too large and I also routinely carry a pistol IWB. If I don't carry then I just tighten my belt. In today's world IWB or OWB are both becoming more important because being in a motor vehicle and surrounded by hooligans is a lot more likely than it used to be.

Another alternative in a vehicle is to just carry another gun in some kind of "bag" on the front seat. I taught one friend that if he's alone then that "bag" can be hooked onto the head rest of the passenger seat. And when I say "bag" I use it in the loosest sense. There are literally dozens of soft cases out there for carrying everything - just instead of everything carry a gun! For years I carried a M10 snub in a leather Bible case lying on the front seat.
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FWIW, that's the main reason I ankle carry my snub as a BUG. In a car, it's actually more accessible than a belt gun at the hip under a seat belt plus covering garment. YMMV.
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I carry a Chiefs Special (hammer) in a Don Hume Just-In-Time OWB holster. Nothing I have found beats the JIT from Gunners Alley for price, weight and simplicity. Often when the need will be short I stick just stick the Chief in the waist under a tight belt, no holster. A Blackhawk with elastic retention built in is also a favorite.
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FWIW, that's the main reason I ankle carry my snub as a BUG. In a car, it's actually more accessible than a belt gun at the hip under a seat belt plus covering garment. YMMV.
Seems like you’ve been testing ankle carry for a few months now. How’s it working? Comfortable/uncomfortable, especially walking? Any unexpected issues?
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Seems like you’ve been testing ankle carry for a few months now. How’s it working? Comfortable/uncomfortable, especially walking? Any unexpected issues?
I've actually been doing it for over a year, almost a year-and-a-half now. I haven't had any issues with comfort at all. I've been using a Wilderness Tactical Renegade ankle holster (see my post in the J-frame carry thread for a pic). I've even gone on hikes while wearing it. I think part of the reason why it's comfortable for me, aside from the lightweight of my 642 and the comfort of the holster, is that I've worn a trauma kit in an ankle holster there for a few years. I now wear the trauma kit on the other ankle. It may help with comfort and balance that I wear gear on both ankles. I know they're there, but I can wear them for several hours a day comfortably.

There have been a few unexpected "issues." Nothing significant, though. One is that my gun tends to get more crud on it, especially after a hike. When belt carried, I could probably go a month or more without cleaning. Now, I try to unload the gun and give it a good wipe down once or twice a week. Another is that I found my beloved Spegel boot grips don't work that well for me with ankle carry. I found that the slimmer PGS Hideout grips gave me a more consistent grip. But that could just be a "me" thing. I also changed out the grips because I've found I have a slight tendency to hit the gun against the door sill when getting in and out of the car. I don't do it as much now as I did at first, but it still happens on occasion. Finally, be cognizant of rain and puddles. So far it hasn't been an issue, and I've worn it in the rain without a problem (+1 for the stainless 642), but I make sure to avoid any deep puddles.

The cut of your pants are important, too. I wear mine with jeans, which I practically live in. I've always worn them about an inch longer than I need, mostly because my actual inseam length is hard to find and I have slightly mismatched leg lengths. They have a tendency to bunch at the top of my shoes, which helps conceal them. And I don't have a problem keeping the rig concealed when sitting down. They're also straight-cut, which helps with accessibility. Boot-cut would probably be better. Avoid tapered-cut. The downside is that I have to pull them higher to draw, which means I'm typically grabbing my pants just below my knee to pull them up enough to clear the gun. The advantage with using it in the car is that I can keep the pant leg pulled up, exposing the gun for ready access.

Don't cross your gun-carrying leg when sitting down, for obvious reasons. My rig is black, so I wear black socks for some added camouflage. Some people recommend wearing your socks outside the rig so it looks like you have baggy socks and not a gun if your pant leg gets pulled up for some reason, but I found that just didn't work for me.

Hope that helps. As always, YMMV.
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At 73, and clumsy, I'll just be sure to fall on my left side. Seriously the OP makes a good point. I pocket carry a tiny pistol in my right front pocket and need to remain cognizant that it's there, not to fell ( fallen ?) on.
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