"The SCOTUS says carry permits are Constitutional and unless or until that changes, states can require them"

Is there a case citation to support that statement?

Who is "they"? There is an estimated 18,000 agencies scattered across the US. Each with their own policy and procedure.

Heller cemented the right to bear arms, but also opined that states can regulate the manner of carry, through permits and other laws . . .

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Did your agency do it?

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Living in a restricted state I carry an M&P 40C. I asked myself 10 rounds of 40 SW or 10 rounds of 9? The 40 is my choice. I think even if I was in a free state I would probably go with the 40.

Excellent choice. Just as the SR9c was (prior to the P365) my 10+1 optimum choice in 9mm, I consider the M&P40C or its M2.0 successor to be the optimum 10+1 choice in .40.

Now, I am talking both moonbat state compliant & limited to 10+1 and modern plastic wonder guns... so any folks who think I am dissing my beloved all-metal 3rd Gens, you are wrong.

Disclaimer: My opinions are 90% range-based as it is rare that I carry more than my little pocket mini-mouse guns.

I've worked for a couple of different places in my career. Yes, some did, some didn't.

Mr. smitten, you're way over thinking this! most violent confrontations happen at an arms legth or two. The average number of shots fired is three. If you think you need multiple 30+ round mags you need more range time! You're not walking the streets of Ramadi or Fallujah. I have.

Living in NY, Upstate, I've never been able to carry more than 10 in my time with a permit. Old full capacity mags are no longer legal either thanks to King Cuomo and his UnsafeAct. We still carry just about anything people in unrestricted states do with the general exception of bigger 9mm. Without a capacity advantage there's no point in carry a midsize or larger 9mm over a 357, 40, 45. So most of us don't, if we carry a 9 its something that only holds 10+1 or less anyway. As far as the people who love to say "The 2nd Amendment is my permit"...just stop it. Try living in a restricted state and then let us know how that works for you. You can't buy a handgun in NY without a permit. And if you are caught with one and you
don't have a NY permit that's a felony and enjoy your upcoming state sponsored vacation.

No question that the plastic guns work, are lightweight, relatively cheap (prior to the current panic) and no big deal whatsoever if you drop it, damage it, lose it or leave it in your car and it melts (or even doggie chew damage!). That is the beauty of plastic for carry.

But for collecting, home defense and range fun, I'm 3rd Gen all the way.

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I'm the same way. I started my career with a 4" 686 and two speed-loaders in 1985 and for at least half my career of 29 yrs my duty sidearm was a Colt Govt .45 with four spare 7-rd mags. I never felt under-gunned.

I've been retired for 7 yrs now and anymore my 3" 686+ is my daily carry with one speedloader. My Glock 26 is another favorite.

I do have my Glock 17 and carry it sometimes, but more often than not what I'm carrying is 10 rds or less as it is. I don't feel at a dis-advantage at all.

No mag restrictions here,,, yet. Either way, it'll be my Shield 45.

I'm the same way, I don't worry about "what ifs". I carry it and enjoy it. My S&W revolvers are tools - a beautifully machined, fine precision tool that I enjoy the quality of on a daily basis. I don't leave it in the safe worrying about "what if". It's a tragic ending for a tool that deserves to be used what it's intended for.

I'm aware of that, but I just feel better carrying a gun that holds more than three rounds, and I never said that I did need 30+ rounds either, in fact the premise of this entire thread is what folks carry who live in states where magazine capacity is limited to 10 rounds what firearm they carry as I myself may end bound by such restrictions and am basically looking at my options.

Honestly, I used to carry a Walther PPK/S (a single stack .380 with a 7rd magazine) without a spare magazine and felt safe doing so. I just started carrying more because I could and because I found a cheap double stack SW40VE while shopping for a new firearm, which I had narrowed down to either a Ruger SR40c (10rds) or an M&P45 Shield (7rds) prior to my chance encounter with the SW40VE, but since I was short on cash I chose the SW40VE instead and took the fact that it could hold 14rds in the magazine as a bonus. I never even set out to find a high capacity firearm in the first place, it just sort of ended up that way.

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Ya third gen guns aren't easy to come by these days.... but they are not Registered Magnums worth north of five Grand and are all but irreplaceable.

I was lucky in the disposable cash situation in the 90s and early 21st century..... so I'd take advantage and buy "lightly used/sock drawer" $300 39xx and 69xx series gun when the opportunity presented;... some utility 915s for three bills or less.

I even bought some Performance Center guns for around $500 when the opportunity presented themselves. One Shorty-9 got carried a lot before I found out (here) how few were made.... still carry it from time to time as it's no longer "ANIB" but shows holster wear on the high points and edges...... But still a handsome gun!

Owned a couple of Glock 26s and 19s but never warmed to them........ or shot them as well as my 3rd Gen Smiths.

This favorite. Only 7 rounds ( 6 +1) but plenty of poop.

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My entry in that class would be a Sig 245 or Sig C3

I carried my Colt Officers .45 MKIV for years. Now I rotate between 3 H & K's

HK .45c
HK USPc .40
HK P2sk .40 (mostly my edc)

All 3 have the lem trigger mod in "light lem." Best butter trigger I have ever felt in a pistol.

If I were limited to 10-round magazines, I would "carry" myself over to a State where that would not apply...

OH WAIT!... I already live in Tejas...

Is anyone else noticing the seeming inconsistency between the majority "no problem with a reinstated 10-round mag limitation" opinions being voiced here and another thread that's running currently in which 3 out of 4 members stated that they carry at least one spare magazine? Should that confuse me or not? Is it a contradiction or an accommodation?

Yes, I know some said they carry a spare magazine because the magazine in the gun could fail... ... but I think most are carrying a spare magazine because it offers more total rounds.

Can someone help me to understand.

Sure.

Even though I live in a state with no mag restrictions (yet), I still can't carry 21 rounds of 9mm in a gun that I can put in my pocket.

Even a high cap 9mm that holds 15 or 16 in the mag doesn't add up to as many total rounds without a second mag, and isn't nearly as concealable.

With my P365 and a second 10-round mag I can carry 21 rounds with the gun in one pocket and a spare magazine in another.

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I'm not in favor of mag limitations for political reasons.

I'm totally OK with 9 rounds in a pistol and no spare mag. From mostly Active Self Protection videos I've watched, as a civilian if you can't do it with 9, you're done. You won't get a chance to reload until after it's all done.

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Not going to war....... in my world EDC doesn't require a ultra-hicap-mag........

but don't mess with my right to have the option................

I'm good with my 3913 at 7+1 and one or two extra mags..... so far haven't needed my gun in my "Burb of the Burgh"

That said ...... don't piss me off!!!!

Maybe. Maybe not.

Perhaps you're conflating some different viewpoints that may not necessarily belong together in the minds of some others.

Me, for example ...

I'd hope to see the CA mag capacity law overturned in the pending en banc hearing in the 9th. Then, next year I want to see the SC take up the waiting case challenge against CA's new gun Roster and declare it unconstitutional (and take the microstamping law with it).

Why? Not because I want to add any hi-cap pistols to my safe. Just because I think it would be the right thing to do for CA's people.

Do I carry a speedstrip or a spare magazine? Sure. Is it because of having "extra" ammunition on hand? Sure. Kinda.

On the other hand, that spare mag I carry may only have 6rds in it. Maybe 12rds, for the only hi-cap pistol I own (unless it's a 10rd mag for it) ... and maybe only 7rds ... or 8rds ... or 9rds. Maybe even 10rds.

So, I'm apparently not all that overly concerned about the "extra rounds" if I'm willing to carry a spare 6rds, instead of a pair of 6rd spare mags.

So why, mostly? Because I've seen a primary mag in an occasional pistol experience a mag-related problem in fast and dynamic conditions.

I've also seen a primary mag experience a problem due to an unrecognized issue, like a floorplate that was unknowingly damaged, compromising the integrity of the mag and its function.

I've also seen a mag get unintentionally dropped if the mag catch gets operated during a chaotic moment.

So, being able to address these mag-involved issues by having a spare mag close at hand can be downright handy ... even if not specifically for the "extra capacity".

All of that said, do I ever not carry a spare mag? Sure.

Consistent? For my way of thinking, yes, but then it has more to do with the "consistency" of listening to my inner voice and experience guiding me for deciding on a priority that may have changed since last time. And may change yet again the next time.

I don't see ammo capacity being the "answer" to all gun problems any more than I see guns being the "answer" to all problems.

Spare ammunition is handy if you need spare ammunition.

A spare magazine - or magazines - may be handy if you need them ... and/or the ammunition they may contain.

Then again, all the magazines and ammunition someone may be able to trundle around with on their person may not prove particularly helpful.

Suit yourself. You're the one who has to try and live with the consequences of your decision.

I'm no longer having to consider the potential of invoking peace officer powers off-duty and inserting myself into the middle of some fracas. Trouble is going to have to work harder to find me, because I'm no longer going to be looking to find it. (And I still have to keep my career-honed "radar" looking for trouble on the horizon over which I may trip ).

No right or wrong "answer" ... unless you carry a gun for your employment and are given the "answer" by your employer.

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No offense Bam, but this is the second time someone has called anything over 10 rounds a super-duper-maga-high-killer-capacity magazine only suitable for a war zone city in Iraq.

But wait. My 11-round 4006 magazines are... wait for it... high capacity feeding devices in my loony moonbat state and soon the whole country maybe. Welcome all of you to Massachusetts!

Same with my 12-round 6900-series magazines.

Mine are pre-bans, of course... but that won't matter for very much longer I fear.

Let me pose the question a slightly different way: For all the folks who say they would have no problem with reinstitution of the 10-round mag capacity limitation (for both handguns and long guns incidentally)... would you all be okay if instead a law was passed to limit you to 10-rounds in total on your person? Isn't that the real goal of the anti-2A folks after all? To limit what you can carry? So far, I don't think the antis have thought too much about spare magazines.

I admit that I'm making my point rather poorly. Either ammo carry quantity matters or it doesn't. Yes, sometimes you don't need it and maybe other times you do. I'm not sure those who are readily willing to give up their (11+up round) magazines have fully thought that through.

I think you're trying to frame something as an absolute, when it's probably more of a variable spot on the curve, or just one of many circles making up a Venn Diagram.

Trying to re-frame the question about magazine capacity to being the number of magazines someone might be permitted to carry on their person, is ... awkward.

Might as well ask what if "they" made a law that only permitted someone to carry an Even number of rounds in their magazines instead of an Odd number of rounds.

I never said I didn't "have a problem" with a new federal 10rd magazine capacity restriction. On the contrary, I'm opposed to arbitrary restrictions. What's with 10rds, anyway? Someone liked a nice round number? Someone realized they had 10 fingers on their hands? Why not 9rds? Or 11rds? (NY tried their unusual magazine restriction, right?)

What if "they" passed a law that require everyone to carry their firearms on their off-side, meaning the opposite side of their dominant hand?

How many gallons of gasoline may I have in my veh's?

Careful trying to apply absolute thinking to such a finite influence.

Either accuracy matters or it doesn't.

Either skill matters or it doesn't.

Either knowledge of the laws matter or it doesn't.

Either caliber matters or it doesn't.

Either the make/model of gun matters or it doesn't.

Obviously, magazine capacity seems like an important matter to you. To me? Not so much. However, while I don't have any particular wish to buy, carry and use most hi-cap pistols (yes, we called them that before anyone even dreamed of magazine capacity restrictions ), neither do I favor incremental over-reach of laws that increasingly fail to tread lightly upon matters of individual rights.

Obviously, the stated ultimate goal of most of the ardently vocal "anti-2nd/anti-gun" folks is to prohibit Americans from owning and possessing guns. If they could, I suspect they'd really prefer to bypass all the magazine restrictions and right to complete gun restriction. More than a few politicians have already said so, and more are seemingly becoming brave enough to finally voice their support of the idea.

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You win. I give up.

That’s silly . . .

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Same as everyday, G-26 OWB with untucked shirt

Spare mag will normally be 17 rd

But alot of times I do carry a 10 rd spare mag on my belt as it is obviously smaller and to be honest, I prefer the spare mag on my belt vs pocket.

If I am having to dress up and have tucked in shirt then will use Tucker Cover Up and carry spare mag in pocket.

As much as I and many others like semi-autos for CCW, everyone needs a good revolver.

5" 629 Classic (full-underlug) .44mag. It's my EDC, from pajamas-off until pajamas_on. In a homemade under-the-shirt vertical shoulder rig.

Two 642s?????????

Just sold my Sig P365XL (12 round). Replacement is a Kahr K9, 9mm. It came with 3 seven round magazines.

I have four 13 round magazines for my Browning Hi Power. The mags were recently lost in a boating accident! I'm sure that they will be recovered....in about four years. I purchased two Mecgar 10 round magazines as a replacement.

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In reply to Muss Muggins earlier today regarding constitutionality of gun laws, local and state governments are unable to get rulings that cannot get past the burden of strict scrutiny once a case goes to SCOTUS. Not to mention they can't afford it. Thanks for the reply. It is a never-ending topic of contemplation.

Open Carry: Sig 1911 Tacops .45 ACP, or 686+
Concealed Carry: Sig P239 or P225 A-1 semi-autos; 642 PC or 66-3 snubby revolvers
I lways carry a spare reload.

TTSH, I think that you may be referring to my survey question about how many magazines people carry.

Since that survey is finding itself in this thread, let me provide some background that led to my survey question. Prior to 21 May 2007, I was whole, I could both walk and run, and I had full use of both arms. I was self confident in most situations. In the blink of an eye, all of that changed. Now disabled, I feel vulnerable with only one good limb and the need to provide security for my children. Because of how I now walk, cane, limp, visible braces and a scarred leg, I feel like there is a neon sign over me identifying me as a potential victim. Am I paranoid? No. Am I insecure? Better believe it!

Now, we have "peaceful protesters" roaming in packs like wolves, looking to make a statement. Honestly, I don't think I would be as apprehensive if I faced a traditional one-on-one threat, but today, wandering packs appear to strike out at anyone and everyone. Looking at the situation that Kyle Rittenhouse found himself in, those "peaceful protesters" didn't scatter like roaches in the light, as many here suggest.

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Not sure I understand the confusion. If I carryba semi I like to also carry a spare mag, 10 or 15. I jave seen carastrophic mag failures on the range. No reason to think that couldnt hapoen in yoyr carry gun. Plud extea rds are nice to have if something really goes bad.

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Because many bad guys today arent really afraid of guns. In a group, even less so. So yes, imo, I want more than 5rds a rabbits foot in my pocket.

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Ah but you do. 2A has been regulated since handguns were invented. Like many 2A idelogues, you talk a good game but get caught in someplace like NYC, you are going to jail, do not pass go & no $200.

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10rd. mags?
Yep.

When it runs out of bullets it can be used as a battle axe.

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Sorry about your situation. Believe me, I am sympathetic to anyone with a serious disability. And to clarify, I have nothing against anyone carrying spare magazines nor possessing magazines of any capacity.

I was only pointing out the seeming contradiction between the two threads... no more, no less... and asking whether it was, in fact, a contradiction or merely an accommodation given that magazine limits are here to stay unless SCOTUS eventually says otherwise. But my question went over some heads and hence the confusion and silliness. It happens.

So enough of that for now. It's all good. Carry on.

We've had this discussion before. Bad guys are afraid of guns in other people's hands, and afraid of getting shot, no matter the caliber or number of rounds available . . .

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I normally carry a Shield with the standard mags of 7 or 8 rounds, some days a mod 60-9 is in that job. If I need to move UP to 10 rounds it will be a Ruger SR 9C which uses a 10 round stack and a half mag. It is a sub compact with a 3 1/4 in barrel.

If Restricted to 10 rounds Ill carry a Glock 19 with a 17 round mag thank you.

Just to be factual, Kyle Rittenhouse placed himself in the situation that is referenced. He chose to be there, and to be there illegally armed. A very poor choice, indeed.

Not an issue in the great state of Ohio...yet....

however a 10 round mag limitation would push me to add a substantial amount of punch w a .45
I would have to test drive a Glock 30 and one of the many options that are available from Sig.

Okay, so just to set the record straight here, I am by no means in favor of the blatantly unconstitutional restrictions placed upon firearms including magazine capacity restrictions, but at the same time I would sooner abide by them than make a martyr of myself by breaking the law and going to prison over something that everyone else is apparently all-too-willing to accept.

I carry two spare magazines, one for my SW40VE and one for my LCP. Why? Because I can and because it makes me feel more confident to do so. Do I believe that I'll ever need to shoot that many rounds, much less believe that I would be capable of using them all if need be? No, in fact I'll be happy if I never have to fire a single shot and would do everything in my power to prevent me from ever needing to do so. However, I do it anyway because it's no encumberance for me to carry a couple of spare magazines, and I'd rather have them and not need them than need them and not have them, because regardless of the odds, I've experienced more than enough statistical anomalies in life to place any faith in numbers, one way or another. It's as simple as that.

Heck, if I do end up carrying something with lower magazine capacity, I'll do the exact same thing, one extra magazine, regardless of the limitations. I won't attempt to compensate for the lost rounds by carrying a third or fourth magazine because that was never what it was about. It's just a spare for the sake of having a spare. Like a spare tire, you don't carry a spare because you think you'll need one, you carry one IN CASE you need one. If folks feel more confident driving around with four spare tires in preparation of the highly unlikely chance that they should all blow out at once, then that's their prerogative, and as absurd as it may seem, there's no valid reason for others to be so critical of it as if it somehow effects them personally.

Criticize my methodology if you will, but it is what it is, and I make no claims that it is flawless nor objectively correct. I'm just doing things my way, same as anyone else.

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With better ballistics than a .38 Special fired from a two inch barrel I would be satisfied with the .32 H&R MAGNUM six round/2"bbl Undercoverette from Charter Arms. And that's all the more reason for a return of the Smith 431PD and 432PD J Frames before Charter skips with the market.