That’s in direct conflict with what you posted before the quoted post. Not judging, just sayin’ . . .

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This is just like trying to explain why though its legal to open carry in a public place it is not the prudent thing to do. There is a large portion of the public that doesn’t care one way or the other about the 2rd. They have no reason to vote against it. Then they remember the commando in the big box store. People grabbed their kids and headed for the door. There is a fine line here, it ain’t 1881 no more. Most gun trouble is gang related and what’s left is committed by mentally handicapped individuals. How many people are on some type of tranquilizers, depression drugs, or flat out druggies? They are allowed to have a firearm. Their mental state is protected by privacy laws. The only answer is common sense.

You just say a lot of things.......... If you want to continue this line of discussion then PM or email me.

AJ

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I don't favor Coca-Cola. I favor water or beer. But if you favor Coca-Cola, it's okay with me.

There is a distinction between not favoring something, and wanting to prohibit or ban it.

(Hmm. Maybe this discussion is what passes for virtue signaling in our community...)

Confrontations aren't always black and white. They progress. If a neighbor threatens me, I don't wait until he starts getting violent to arm myself, or call the police for that matter. Knowing when to pull a firearm and when to use it is often determined on the fly in the midst of fastly changing, emotionally charged, and adrenaline fueled incidents. It's easy to make decisions of what one should, would, could do from the ease of our arm chairs when not emotionally involved. That's why there are so many prosecutions of otherwise good shootings. Too many Monday morning quarterbacks.

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No, we’ll do it right here in front of everybody. You wrote this:

And then you called Archie Bunker “my hero” for advocating giving everyone boarding an airplane a gun. Which is it?

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Since CCW's are issued by the state it probably that entity providing the guide lines for teaching. The instructors can be state, local or private instructors. Not saying the students have to pass a test, just a certificate of attendance would be sufficient.

I, personally, would feel better if there was a test as it shows some form of competency , just as a Driver's License does.

The bottom line here is safety on both sides of the gun.

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PM or email.

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Duly noted . . .

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Sure, but involving government at any level is bad. I don’t trust any of them. Especially around here.

Give em an inch...........

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Show me where in the Constitution it says anything about training, fees, AR’s, pistol braces, etc.

You all did take an oath, correct?

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Do you drive a car? Is your Doctor licensed? There are all sorts of things that require a license and those are issued by the state. The CCW is a license in most states. However, that said I don't care if the individual has a license. I just want them safe to carry. Just like a Hunter Safety Course. Do you think that is to much to ask?

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That sums it up to me.

A couple questions we'll never know the answer to. Like did the pastor try to fire, only to forget to disengage a safety. Did he forget to chamber a round. We don't know what kind of gun the pastor drew.

I suspect, without any proof, he just hesitated to fire. Tragic.

Actually, no - it doesn't.

Your forgetting our constitutional right.

Driving is a privilege. Not a right.

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Yes it does. But let’s call it good because we don’t agree.

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Show me in the Constitution where having a driver license is required. We have laws and that is what makes a civilization. Some laws we agree with and some laws we do not. Where in the Constitution does it call for a CCW?

! took an oath to defend the country against all enemies foreign and domestic. Is there someone here an enemy?

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The most recent article I’ve seen said the pastor proned the guy out, and then was distracted by his wife, which gave Mytrez an opportunity to jump him and take away the gun and shoot him. Another male was there who was armed and elected to hightail it. He was shot while making for his car.

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And I'm not really in favor of it.

Again, not what I said. I don't favor everyone carrying.

Driving is a privilege. The Constitution is the law.

Read the 10th A for all the other stuff spouted here.

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Presuming to know what another person thinks or wants is fraught with the risk of utterly misunderstanding what was said. I try to stay with what folks say while avoiding extrapolation.

You're correct in believing that we don't agree.

He figured to "hold the young man for the law so he could accept his punishment." Thug wasn't having any of that. Joe

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IMHO second guessing the deceased Pastor serves no purpose. He's not here to defend his decision.

When I taught firearms in the Corps, one of the things we taught was not to let them get close to you if you could avoid it. Always keep the individual approximately 3 yards from you. The Pastor let the assailant get to close. The other thing we taught was weapons take aways. If you had a gun on me and touched me with it, I was going to take it. May get wounded (or killed) but at least try. If you do it correctly and are successful the assailant ends up without a weapon and probably some broken fingers.

Forgot to take the safety off? Maybe. Would training have helped maybe, We were trained as the gun came up on target to take the safety off. Since most of the folks I know do not shoot all the time, for home defense I recommend a revolver (no safety to disengage).

Forgot to chamber a round? We were trained to carry Condition One, cocked and locked and when the gun came out of the holster the safety came off. However, for someone that does not use a gun a lot, then a revolver could be the answer. Load all the chambers and then all that has to be done is pull the trigger if needed. No safety to remove or round to chamber in the heat of the moment.

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You said you were in favor of some not carrying guns. How is that a misunderstanding?

It’s quite clear. I comprehend English just fine. I simply read your statement and have come to correct conclusion that you want to limit gun rights. There’s no other way to interpret your statement. None.

If that’s not what you meant then retract or change your statement.

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Who DO you favor carrying?

Whether or not free non prohibited men and women carry a firearm is their choice to make. I don’t really care what anybody believes it thinks about it. That’s a pretty high horse to sit on for the “believers” and “thinkers”.

“Among those who dislike oppression are many who like the oppress”. Napoleon Bonaparte

Your mechanical reading skills seem fine; comprehension seems off. What people say is what they say.

In court I would object that you're simply being argumentative.

Thank you the right question. I could care less who carries so long as they understand that a firearm is not a magic wand, and that poor judgement on their part one way or the other will have consequences. Don't carry if you don't have the requisite skills and judgement.

This is why you’re never gonna “get it . . . “. Teaching firearms in the Corps has nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing to do with the general public carrying firearms . . .

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I got what biku 234 was getting at.

Guys complain about idiots at the range, people with permits doing dumb stuff, people leaving the guns unsecured in some manner. etc etc. Mall Ninjas running around carrying their ARs in public, open carry etc. How can you complain (not favor) this behavior and attack the OP for what he favors. He did not call out for restrictions, laws or mandatory anything.

There are people that I certainly really do not "favor" the idea of carrying a gun.

I certainly "favor" the idea of everyone being better trained in gun safety and handling

I would "favor" everyone better understanding the laws and limits of their abilities.

None of these means that I support any kind of restrictions on a persons right to bear arms or that I want more gun laws. I just "favor" that fewer idiot carried guns.

I would be in FAVOR of mandatory gun safety classes in our schools. I would be in FAVOR of people education themselves and their families.

In today’s world we ban drunks, dopers, and those with no insurance from operating a motor vehicle in most states, as well as felons. I gets back to, is privacy more important than the public good.

LTC...Training...proficiency....mindset.

A lamb confronted a wolf...the wolf won.

"Sheriff Larry Smith said at a news conference Woolen (the assailant) was hospitalized Sunday afternoon with gunshot wounds to his hand, but that it’s unclear when he was shot."

I was making the assumption the pastor was not mentally prepared for a fight. As a result, he was surprised and, in a struggle for the gun, overcome by an assailant a third his age. Things can go sideways in an instant.

That is often the case. The criminal has the initiative. He has to do something that reaches the threshold to use deadly force. That action has to be recognized and then reacted upon before the assailant complete his action.

PM or Email............

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I do believe that apples and oranges have been introduced into a discussion about avocados!

In my opinion, the OP is questioning the ability of a person without the mindset to potentially take a life, and has mutated into one addressing both proficiency (skill) and judgment (when to use lethal force).

We can train a person so that they can improve their proficiency. We can attempt to indoctrinate a person so that they can make an informed decision on when to use lethal force. But short of combat, how do you "train" someone to alter their mindset? At what point does a person in fear of loss of life adopt the proper mindset?

Being totally facetious, do we require candidates seeking to carry concealed be trained to be Olympic grade marksmen, and then as the final exam require them to fire a course of fire in "Hogan's Alley" with the requirement that they take a life?

There are some things that can be instilled through training, but some things that can't be taught. Sometimes, you never know if a person has the mettle until the time comes!

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Local speed limits, marriage licenses, drunk driving laws, etc etc are under the 10th A.
You either believe in the Constitution or you don’t. Don’t take the parts you want and discard the rest.

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It’s a public discussion on a public forum. If you can’t state your opinion publicly, you shouldn’t have engaged. I’ll just copy and paste anything you PM or email me. Your choice . . .

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Sir, you are just upset that when I wrote "My Hero" that you could not understand I was being facetious.

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I don’t know of any state that prohibits felons from driving. . .

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Maybe you could have inserted the “rolling eyes” emoji. Otherwise, your statement stands as stated. And why wasn’t that your first response? Instead of arguing with me? The internet isn’t for everyone . . .

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Obviously! I do not like emoji's, so is there a rule I should use them?

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Only if you want to be understood . . .

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You sir are wrong. Just because someone does not favor something does NOT mean they favor restrictions on it. I for one do not favor French dressing on my salad. I do not wish for any restrictions on French dressing. In other words,even though, I am not in favor of YOUR interpretation, I am not calling for it to be banned or restricted.

I would favor not everyone being able to cast a vote. Perhaps they need to take a competency test showing that they understand the basics of the Constitution and the electoral process????

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Adding some new regulation, restriction, or mandatory training exercise to the acquisition of a license we should not require in the first place seems extra burdensome and no doubt ineffective.

Neither the constitution or any of the amendments guarantees anyone the right to vote.

15th prevents denying voting rights because of race creed or color
19th prevents denying vote based on sex
23rd allows vote by residents of Washington DC
26th establish voting age limit at 18

Nowhere does it say everyone gets to vote

You can be denied as a felon, why not because your dumb or have a misdemeanor?

But, then the 2nd prevents the government from infringing on your right to keep and BEAR arms and you lose that if you have a misdemeanor domestic assault. How is a permit not an infringement. I believe you should not need a permit to carry a fully automatic weapons. I am not in favor of everyone doing so however.

I quoted a portion of your post mainly because it went along with my own thoughts about how I feel that although we are all able to buy, carry and use a gun through our 2A rights, but don't particularly think everyone should exercise the right.

I favor less government intrusion.

I also favor my mother.

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