Haha yes, good idea that you quit drinking. My take on the purpose in drinking was very similar to what you posted... when I was between the ages of 18 and maybe 23.

Maturity, responsibility, experience. It was also around this time that I began to understand why car insurance rates dropped at the magical age of 25 and the ability to rent a car came at the same age.

And I’ve always heard that the only reason to own a gun is to kill people. I mean, isn’t that why guns exist . . . ?

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

Some people understand some people don't.

One of the reasons I've never seriously questioned my alcoholism and the primary reason I've never had a serious challenge staying sober is because I've never in my life considered having A drink. Every single time I ever drank alcohol I intended to get hammered. My defective alcoholic brain can't imagine any other reason to consume alcohol.

Even after 38 years of complete abstinence I'm reading some of you talking about having A drink at a BBQ and my brain simply doesn't comprehend why.

Don't try to explain it, you won't be able to and I really don't care. I really don't care if you want to get puking on your shoes drunk and carry a gun. It's none of my business

I just thought it was funny

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Exactly. What's the point of one drink - or even two?
I never liked the taste, other than beer, and alcohol-free beer tastes better without the alcohol.
I drank for the effects, and one or two never "got me there".

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Send lawyers, guns & money...

Pickles get it.

Cucumbers never will.

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I for one am not for mixing guns and booze. but, I also don't see the problem with a couple drinks. where I do see the problem is that for a whole lot of drinkers a couple is going to end up being way more than 2. How many LEOs have heard "a couple", when they ask "had anything to drink" and the guy blows a .18?

I very seldom have a drink and I do not like the fact that I am prohibited from carrying where booze is served. I go out to a nice dinner with the wife and I can't carry even though I don't have any? Why? Because drunks have proven to the public time and again the do stupid stuff.

If you blow a .08 and are packing off to jail with you, away goes your right to carry. If your gun is locked in the trunk or inside a gun safe inside the cab your good to go in my book. Your packing and blow a .15 and your right to own a gun should go right along with your permit. If your driving 6 months in jail and no more driving EVER. You sir have proven yourself to be a moron.

What you do inside your house is Your business. Once you leave your property it becomes everyone. That said, if YOU cook off a round in your house and it hits some one other than an invader and your impaired that becomes Negligent homicide. YOU caused the bullet to leave YOUR house even if it exits in someone else's body.

Kimchi gets it. Pickles, maybe . . .

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To my thinking drinking/recreational drugs are the direct opposite of the main thought of a ccw mentality, situational awareness. Has less to do with pulling the trigger than being aware of what’s happening around you so you don’t have to pull the trigger. Anything that interferes with your cognitive ability is not good and opens the door to civil lawsuits even if you are not charged of a crime. Last time I was drunk was in 1972, havent drunk anything in 30 yrs, don’t miss it. I put the tobacco, medical costs and alcohol money to better use and bought Colts, Winchesters, Smiths etc.

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Look, I am not talking about some of the responsible stuff I have seen described here. I never was - reading is fundamental. Note that even u/c cops had a limit - there is a reason for that. At my size, 2 drinks with dinner over an hour is ... trivial. There is a decent chance that applies to the majority here. Fine - you are not the population who needs to think about this. Frankly, I'm also not concerned with those who responded from the other side - the AA members (and probably others) who have the relevant experience and mindset to survive and thrive with their disease.

Go take a look at the original note and read carefully about the description of the levels of impairment. As for being armed all the time, the overwhelming majority of my training and socialization is the same: never go unarmed if you have a choice. Many of my friends and most of my trainers have worked in high action places with very bad things happening daily, often many times a day. I have not, generally, but we don't get to make appointments for an emergency. Mayberry never existed. I still live a conflict filled life - but it is not in the streets because I too old for that. It's in helping my clients with important tasks and avoiding pitfalls, and once in a while going to cover criminal stuff. I do miss suppression hearings - it was fun to beat defense attorneys into a corner with their ignorance.

As for Facebook - nope. It is not consistent with my professional obligations and personal well-being. I don't have kids to monitor or grandkids to check on, so the incentives that others have have not taken me there.

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NHI, 10-8.

I'm in Washington too, and what is pretty disturbing is that you can't carry into a bar or tavern. Period. Whether you drink or not. So, depending on WHERE they got drunk, they broke ANOTHER law, and could/should forfeit their concealed carry permit.

Whenever I arrested a drunk driver in New Mexico, I always charged 'negligent use of a fiream' if they had an assembled firearm in the passenger compartment. Never had a conviction problem in magistrate courts, and never had an appeal to district court.

Too drunk to drive is too drunk to be armed. Don't like it? Too bad.

Added for clarity:

30-7-4. Negligent use of a deadly weapon.

A. Negligent use of a deadly weapon consists of:

(1) discharging a firearm into any building or vehicle or so as to knowingly endanger a person or his property;

(2) carrying a firearm while under the influence of an intoxicant or narcotic;

(3) endangering the safety of another by handling or using a firearm or other deadly weapon in a negligent manner; or

(4) discharging a firearm within one hundred fifty yards of a dwelling or building, not including abandoned or vacated buildings on public lands during hunting seasons, without the permission of the owner or lessees thereof.

B. The provisions of Paragraphs (1), (3) and (4) of Subsection A of this section shall not apply to a peace officer or other public employee who is required or authorized by law to carry or use a firearm in the course of his employment and who carries, handles, uses or discharges a firearm while lawfully engaged in carrying out the duties of his office or employment.

C. The exceptions from criminal liability provided for in Subsection B of this section shall not preclude or affect civil liability for the same conduct.

Whoever commits negligent use of a deadly weapon is guilty of a petty misdemeanor.

Need to redefine some of those “free states”.

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Sure you did

Power corrupts

Absolute power corrupts absolutely

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