Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > General Topics > Concealed Carry & Self Defense
o

Notices

Concealed Carry & Self Defense All aspects of Concealed and Open Carry, Home and Self Defense.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-05-2021, 03:59 PM
Cal44 Cal44 is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Northern California
Posts: 3,568
Likes: 5,473
Liked 6,418 Times in 1,861 Posts
Default Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis

I pocket carry a 2-inch J frame in a DeSantis Nemesis holster.

My pants are usually 5.11's.

I don't remember the name of the 5.11 model, but they are more like dockers with a single pocket on each side. Not cargo pants.

Anyway, I often find my gun has turned around with the butt facing forward, or upside down with the grip on the bottom.

These are nice, roomy, deep pockets and that's nice.

But i don't like my gun getting so out of place if I ever need it quickly.

What pocket holster should I consider to replace the Nemesis to fix this problem?

I've looked at cargo pants holsters, but then are too wide. Perhaps something in between.

I don't want to replace all my pants or switch to belt carry, so I'm looking for other ideas or other pocket holsters.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-05-2021, 04:18 PM
SAFireman's Avatar
SAFireman SAFireman is offline
SWCA Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Home of the Alamo
Posts: 5,814
Likes: 16,456
Liked 15,491 Times in 3,085 Posts
Default

I like the El Paso pocket holster. It is rough-out leather that is pretty thin, but stiff. It has a good shape. I wear the less-tactical 5.11's everyday for work and it does a great job of keeping the 340 upright.

https://epsaddlery.com/product/pocke...ide-holster-2/
__________________
On the Oak Savannah

Last edited by SAFireman; 02-05-2021 at 04:20 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-05-2021, 04:24 PM
lihpster lihpster is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Jan 2021
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 5,131
Likes: 13,620
Liked 15,665 Times in 3,961 Posts
Default

A friend of mine had his wife sew in a piece of velcro in his pockets. The holster has a piece glued to the back. He likes it and says it keeps it from flopping around. I carry too much **** in my pockets. No room for a gun.
__________________
The best I can with what I got
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #4  
Old 02-05-2021, 04:26 PM
murphydog's Avatar
murphydog murphydog is offline
Moderator
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 26,780
Likes: 934
Liked 18,872 Times in 9,240 Posts
Default

This holster has a tab on the bottom that seems as though it is made for a big square shaped pocket. If the pockets are rounded at the bottom a different holster shape may work, but if the pocket is too big there may not be an option that keeps it in place.
__________________
Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-05-2021, 05:02 PM
mikerjf mikerjf is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 1,857
Likes: 2,232
Liked 2,928 Times in 1,089 Posts
Default

I pocket-carry in jeans (Lee), this Azula works really well for me. Always seems to be one on Ebay.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Azula.jpg (82.9 KB, 57 views)
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-05-2021, 05:33 PM
Bourget117 Bourget117 is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 148
Likes: 104
Liked 130 Times in 61 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal44 View Post
I pocket carry a 2-inch J frame in a DeSantis Nemesis holster.

My pants are usually 5.11's.

I don't remember the name of the 5.11 model, but they are more like dockers with a single pocket on each side. Not cargo pants.

Anyway, I often find my gun has turned around with the butt facing forward, or upside down with the grip on the bottom.

These are nice, roomy, deep pockets and that's nice.

But i don't like my gun getting so out of place if I ever need it quickly.

What pocket holster should I consider to replace the Nemesis to fix this problem?

I've looked at cargo pants holsters, but then are too wide. Perhaps something in between.

I don't want to replace all my pants or switch to belt carry, so I'm looking for other ideas or other pocket holsters.
I was recently in a very similar situation as yours. I used a Nemesis as well. I switched over to a Mika pocket holster. Much much better. Robert Mika works with every customer to get you the perfect custom hand made pocket holster. And for not a lot of money too. It’s worth giving him a call.
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 02-07-2021, 10:00 PM
Jessie's Avatar
Jessie Jessie is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Virginia
Posts: 8,865
Likes: 10,603
Liked 15,202 Times in 5,250 Posts
Default

Mika works really well for me. He has rounded or square bottoms.
Mine has never flip flopped in my pockets yet.
__________________
“Look life in its iron face”
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #8  
Old 02-07-2021, 11:59 PM
Buford57 Buford57 is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,182
Likes: 398
Liked 5,019 Times in 1,624 Posts
Default

Galco horsehide works for me.
__________________
I need ammo, not a ride.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-08-2021, 12:53 AM
max503's Avatar
max503 max503 is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: So. Illinois
Posts: 2,576
Likes: 1,375
Liked 3,292 Times in 1,411 Posts
Default

I was a die-hard pocket carry enthusiast until I stuck some Barami clip-grips on my J frame. The Barami lets me clip the gun to the edge of my front pocket. The grip sticks out of my pocket for instant accessibility. But it is very secure. If my shirt can't cover it I just slip the gun down into my pocket, but I don't have to do that very often. I really like it.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-08-2021, 02:49 AM
Cal44 Cal44 is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Northern California
Posts: 3,568
Likes: 5,473
Liked 6,418 Times in 1,861 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buford57 View Post
Galco horsehide works for me.
I ordered a horsehide Galco pocket holster for my 340PD. Actually it will fit most (or all) other 2" J frames.

It looks a little flatter and wider at the bottom, so I'll give it a try.

Not cheap, though.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-08-2021, 10:52 AM
hyena hyena is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 760
Likes: 824
Liked 1,351 Times in 503 Posts
Default

When I carry my BG380, it's because I can't belt carry a J frame. I always carry it in a Nemesis, and it has never done what you describe. I also have a Nemesis and a Mica pocket holster for my 642, and they have never done what you describe.

I wear Carhart jeans, traditional fit, tapered leg. The pockets aren't large enough to allow the holster to turn as you describe. I'm not familiar with the pants you wear, but they must have some seriously large pockets!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-08-2021, 10:59 AM
Robspeire Robspeire is offline
US Veteran
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 641
Likes: 1,987
Liked 1,217 Times in 390 Posts
Default

I use a Sticky Pocket Holster when not using my Air Marshall.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-08-2021, 12:24 PM
Bourget117 Bourget117 is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 148
Likes: 104
Liked 130 Times in 61 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hyena View Post
When I carry my BG380, it's because I can't belt carry a J frame. I always carry it in a Nemesis, and it has never done what you describe. I also have a Nemesis and a Mica pocket holster for my 642, and they have never done what you describe.

I wear Carhart jeans, traditional fit, tapered leg. The pockets aren't large enough to allow the holster to turn as you describe. I'm not familiar with the pants you wear, but they must have some seriously large pockets!
I can’t imagine it as well. Unless he’s putting them in the thigh cargo pocket. But he did say not cargo pants. I’ve never owned or seen a pair of pants where something the size of a j frame that’s in a Desantis would rotate.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-08-2021, 01:07 PM
Buford57 Buford57 is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,182
Likes: 398
Liked 5,019 Times in 1,624 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cal44 View Post
I ordered a horsehide Galco pocket holster for my 340PD. Actually it will fit most (or all) other 2" J frames.

It looks a little flatter and wider at the bottom, so I'll give it a try.

Not cheap, though.
Not cheap, but I bought mine used about 6 years ago and it is still going strong.
__________________
I need ammo, not a ride.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-12-2021, 11:45 PM
Gamecoc430 Gamecoc430 is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 4
Likes: 44
Liked 9 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Sticky works great for me.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 02-13-2021, 12:41 AM
Echo40's Avatar
Echo40 Echo40 is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 3,797
Likes: 7,509
Liked 7,268 Times in 2,478 Posts
Default

Trouble with a Nemesis? You're not in S.T.A.R.S. are you? If so, then you're probably S.O.L. Otherwise, just try to stay out of it's way and it won't hurt you. If you're dead set on facing the Nemesis, then you're going to want to upgrade from a J-Frame to an X-Frame immediately.

References likely nobody here will get aside, I would suggest replacing the pocket holster with an IWB holster. Pocket holsters are good for ultralightweight semiautomatic pistols like the Ruger LCP, but I've learned from experience that attempting to pocket carry heavier, all metal firearms just doesn't work.
You can try using a beefier pocket holster, but at that point you begin to run the risk of printing or at least inviting folks to ask whether you've got something hefty in your pocket or are merely happy to see you. Besides, it's possible that it won't even solve the problem.

If anything, you'd probably be better off buying some new pairs of pants with smaller pockets rather than trying to find a pocket holster to fill in the generous pockets of a pair of 5.11 pants.
Seriously, I wear 5.11s too, and I swear I could pocket carry a 1911 Commander in those cavernous hip pockets, only I know better than to try and just use an IWB holster.
__________________
Shooting Comfort is bilateral.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #17  
Old 02-13-2021, 12:55 AM
Cal44 Cal44 is offline
Member
Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis Concealed carry -- having trouble with a Nemesis  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Northern California
Posts: 3,568
Likes: 5,473
Liked 6,418 Times in 1,861 Posts
Default

Your suggestions are an example of Resident Evil.



The J frame snubs I usually pocket carry a 340PD (11 oz) and a 431PD (13.3 oz) so not very heavy.

Weight doesn't seem to be the problem. Neither does printing.

I've ordered a larger, leather holster with a flat bottom. I'll see how that works.

I also sometime carry a 649 J frame bodyguard. No dash 38 Special model.

For carrying that one, I may try an IWB holster at some point.

Last edited by Cal44; 02-13-2021 at 12:25 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Will Texas Finally Pass an Open Carry Law for Concealed Carry Licensees BPNovum 2nd Amendment Forum 294 05-09-2018 08:43 PM
Caliber for Concealed Carry or Duty Carry miles71 Concealed Carry & Self Defense 93 10-13-2015 06:00 AM
Anyone IWB carry with a Desantis Nemesis? aterry33 Concealed Carry & Self Defense 4 11-09-2009 05:33 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:11 AM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)