You can see why LEOs hate domestic abuse calls. Link below.

In another report, it was stated the police had responded to 19 such calls at that house recently. Not to mention the dude had multiple warrants.

Kuno is recovering.

Michigan deputy fatally shoots man after K9 stabbed - cleveland.com

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Used a stun gun to no effect.

What are the ROE? Stabbing a K9 is considered an attempt on an officer's life, correct?

You would think that the LEO would go for his weapon first.

I hope the dog has a full recovery, and hope that the perp had a painfully agonizing death and is roasting like a turkey.

Consider it adding chlorine to the gene pool.

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This happened 15 minutes from my house. I was pretty distraught …… till I learned that the dog will be ok.

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I'm also curious to hear about where lethal force against the dog translates to the officer's use of force requirements, but without seeing a vid I'm guessing the key part is that he charged at the officers after.

I'm never upset when an officer tries to use lesser force than allowed (the stun gun in this case), but also not upset when a guy clearly trying to kill a cop gets got instead. Good shoot and I hope the doggo makes a full recovery.

I think that LEO canines and military canines have status at the human level so they are eligible for a lethal force defense by handlers/all LEOs/military member's.

Someone will know for sure.

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He should have kept using the stun gun, I'm sure it would have worked had he simply chosen a delicate enough are to use it on, just hold down the button until you hear a couple of pops, that's all.

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Sounds to me like the world is a better place with the perp removed from it.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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A story with a happy ending.
Stun Gun: if both barbs do not contact the perp no electrially charge is transmitted.

In today's climate, too many LEOs are reluctant to use force for fear of being prosecuted. As far as I'm concerned, the perp needed to be shot..

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I love a happy ending.

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I wasn't aware that the perpetrator was no longer among us. I'm reluctant to click links to articles such as these because when I have in the past stupid Google started recommending me crime videos on YouTube and such.

So yeah, my comment was made under the assumption that the police officer didn't shoot the perpetrator.

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I know a couple LEO dog handlers. Reading between the lines you hurt their partner/live in companion you will be lucky to get out of their alive!

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A K9 is a LEO. You hurt him, I hurt you.

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If you attack the police with a knife you probly will get shot..

Why do morons have a hard time understanding that?

I know they are morons..

But-

Even a moron should be able to "Get" that.

Maybe the police need more like this guy:

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Where do we send treats for the Dog?

Prayers going out for Kuno to have a speedy and pain free recovery. Thank you for your service, Kuno.

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Must not have had a team of social workers available to intervene in this situation. A little empathy, a little personal counselling, just someone who truly cares makes all the difference.

Link didn't open for me so don't know the details. Non Lethal may have been chosen due to the chance of over penetration/shot angle to the dog.

CD

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And when these social workers start getting shot/stabbed/beaten by these miscreants, who ya gonna call?

I read recently that somewhere, CO or CA, can't remember, a city tried using empathetic social workers to take the place of LEOs. The project was heralded with great publicity and fanfare, as it would lead the way in showing ignorant LEOs how "the community" could correctly handle law enforcement duties.

The first instance when this quixotic group had to face a violent felon, they all unceremoniously resigned on the spot.

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There is a joke going around about this, shows couple of LEO’s standing with arms folded with smirks on their faces, caption reads, “ wonder how long this will last” or similar..

Could not read the story.

Popular lore aside, the K9 does not have human status, is not an officer, etc. I know of no state where that would be true.

However, knife using violent offenders should be shot. The willingness to attack the dog is a serious indicator of the willingness to attack a cop or victim.

Tasers and other less than lethal tools are not appropriate for offenders who are armed. Period. Full stop. Too many agencies have gone bananas with the less than lethal, and a lot of cops are rightfully afraid that a corrupt prosecutor will file on them, and that a cowardly command officer will throw them under the bus.

Cops do not kill many offenders, maybe 5% of those who present a threat of great bodily harm, but that does not fit the folklore that the apologists for the criminally feral want us to believe.

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No one, because no one will be left to call.

"Popular lore aside, the K9 does not have human status, is not an officer, etc. I know of no state where that would be true."

What you say may be true however I do know that several less than desribable types have been charged and convicted for assault on a police officer for causing harm to a K9.

But in Missouri, killing or disabling one is still a felony, and killing or disabling my neighbor's dog ain't, so there's one. Didn't law school teach you to never say never . . . ?

Missouri Revisor of Statutes - Revised Statutes of Missouri, RSMo Section 575.353

Of course, your misunderstanding of the rest of the nation is understandable, given your home state's views:

Police reform bill in Washington state puts restrictions on K-9 units | kgw.com

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Such an attack on an police dog (or horse) is a felony here, with a specific statute (https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.76.200. That is not the same as attacking an LEO. I did not say never. I drew a narrow distinction on purpose and I would have expected you (Muss) to perceive that as you generally seem well educated and a careful reader.

As for the other link, oh dear. I have had to do a lot of work on complying with those, and have written a few memos/emails about how stupid they are.. If I gave my real opinion of that garbage it would take the paint off a battleship and 10 years of the lives of all of the moderators. Let's just say that those enactments (13 of them, plus I940 a year or so ago) are well beyond insane and it would be generous to refer to them as the intellectual/verbal equivalent of fecal incontinence.

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Well, since I am such a careful reader, and fairly well educated, I noticed that assaulting a law enforcement officer, or a bus driver, is the same Class C felony as assaulting a police dog. But you already knew that, I hope. Where we at now?

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9a.36.031

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Not the same. While both are Class C, one is categorized in the assault statute (attacks on humans, 9A.36 generally, excluding homicide). The other is in the obstructing with government operations classification (9A.76). Most injury to animal statutes are in title 16, and cruelty to animals specifically is in 16.52.

In addition, the general sentencing range for assault 3rd is seriousness level III; harming a police dog is "unranked", which means a felony conviction but anywhere from 1-364 days no matter how many points one has.

Regardless - human or officer status is not conveyed by those penalties.

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NHI, 10-8.

How is a potential penalty of less than a year in jail classified as a felony?

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We have a sentencing grid, like the feds. These are "standard ranges", which vary based on the offense seriousness and prior history (felony convictions). The potential range on a class C felony is up to 5 years, with some fine level that I don't try to recall because we will never see a dime. There is a "standard range" (so for someone with no prior felonies, assault 3 is has a standard range of 1-3 months). To deviate from the standard range requires specific findings (with few exceptions, filed and proved to the jury) and is rather a pain in the backside.

The Sentencing Reform Act is long and complicated - so bad that the implementation manual is somewhere over 400 pages. The goal of the Act was to reduce judicial discretion to address perceived variations in sentencing across the state, some of which were suspected to be based on discriminatory factors.

Sometimes it is very effective hammer. More often, it does not reflect the corrosive effect of the conduct.

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JMHO Don't care if it's a military or police K9, or someones lap dog. If someone stabs an working/pet animal, not in self defense and that someone gets shot wel-l-l-l too damn bad. Give the shooter a box of ammo, a pack of cigarettes, a cup of coffee, and send em on their way.

It varies widely by state law . In some states , LE K-9 are explicitly included under the statute for Assault on Police Officer .

The federal sentencing guidelines are now merely a suggestion. I’m surprised that true sentencing reform hasn’t trickled down to Washington State . . .

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I served in the Air Force Police and domestic calls were the most hated. And never fail, when you arrived on the scene both parties turn on the police.

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I could not possibly agree more!

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Way off the topic of the string, but there have been a few appellate decisions that are borderline delusional.

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This 1st, 2nd, 3rd and the classes and levels of felonies and misdemeanors cracks me up. Here you got felonies and/or misdemeanors. Thats it. The amount of jail and/or $$$$ depending on how the judge feels, up to the limit set by the statue you were convicted under.

No wonder you guys have trouble locking people up and keeping them there. I will say that IMHO the punishment here is not enough. But, I am also sure if a cop shot you while you were attacking a police dog the courts wouldn't have a problem with it.

Montana Code Annotated 2019
TITLE 45. CRIMES
CHAPTER 8. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER
Part 2. Offensive, Indecent, and Inhumane Conduct
Harming A Police Dog -- Penalty -- Definition

45-8-209. Harming a police dog -- penalty -- definition. (1) A person commits the offense of harming a police dog if the person purposely or knowingly shoots, kills, or otherwise injures a police dog being used by a:

(a) law enforcement officer in discharging or attempting to discharge a legal duty in a reasonable and proper manner; or

(b) person while the person is under the control of and acting under the direction of an officer of an official law enforcement agency during the performance of the agency's law enforcement or search and rescue duties.

(2) A person convicted of the offense of harming a police dog may be fined an amount not to exceed $5,000 or be imprisoned in the state prison for a term not to exceed 1 year, or both.

(3) As used in this section, the following definitions apply:

(a) "Law enforcement officer" means a person who is a peace officer, as defined in 46-1-202, or any other agent of a criminal justice agency.

(b) "Police dog" means a dog that is:

(i) used by a law enforcement agency, as defined in 44-11-303, in the exercise of its authority;

(ii) specifically trained for law enforcement or search and rescue work; and

(iii) under the control of a law enforcement officer.

I read the news story and the rest of the comments here. I only have one question. How many shots did the officer fire to take down the bad guy?

I am overall a law abiding citizen besides maybe driving too fast or downloading music. But if I am cornered in a crawl space or basement and a police dog “finds” me, I will defend myself until it gets pulled off of me or it can’t maul me anymore or I cant defend myself anymore. Which seems like it would be the most instinctual reaction to being attacked by an animal.
I have seen plenty of videos and read stories of cops not being able to control their dogs or Police officers taking delight in a mauling of a suspect.

The suspect charging the cops armed is what got him killed.

There ae a few too many reports of ill-trained dogs that won't "out" to ignore them. However, failing to comply with detention is itself a crime and a serious escalation of the incident that should not be happening. The entire claim that police need to deescalate is complete drivel. Offenders need to comply under the mandates of the US Constitutional case law and typical state laws. The fact that first rate crazies like Balko and Wexler are getting attention other that guardianships is truly frightening.

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