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Old 12-13-2021, 09:09 AM
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After you come home from a long day at work and pull all of your gear off and pile it on the dresser your going to ask yourself why your doing this. That’s ok, just make sure you put all that gear back on the next morning.


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Old 12-14-2021, 12:27 AM
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I always carry OWB. In nice weather I often wear a colored t-shirt and a light regular shirt as a cover garment leaving it open in the front. To prevent a sudden breeze from exposing your gun, simply tuck the tip of the shirt tail into your front pants pocket. Its just enough resistance to keep the shirt in place, yet easily sweeps away with your hand if you should need to draw.
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I see post about every aspect of SD and HD, but very few post about flashlights. A "flash light is a flashlight" I am wondering how many buy the most powerful flashlight they can find, one that strobes, hi, low, medium brightness, 2 buttons one to turn it on one for strobe. press the second one again and it goes to medium.
KISS is my answer YMMV, One simple button on the end, press once and its on, once more strobe. Not the most lumen or brightest.
how many have let your eyes adjust to the darkness like you were sleeping, remember you only need a flashlight when its low light,now aim your flashlight down the hall across the room etc when its dark and see if its too bright. If its too bright it will reflect off the wall behind whoever you are pointing it at and it can blind you as much as the person you are hitting with the light.
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Old 01-01-2022, 02:08 PM
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I carry a "Titan", clipped to my shirt pocket. I think I probably got it on Amazon, some years ago.
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I see post about every aspect of SD and HD, but very few post about flashlights. A "flash light is a flashlight" I am wondering how many buy the most powerful flashlight they can find, one that strobes, hi, low, medium brightness, 2 buttons one to turn it on one for strobe. press the second one again and it goes to medium.
KISS is my answer YMMV, One simple button on the end, press once and its on, once more strobe. Not the most lumen or brightest.
how many have let your eyes adjust to the darkness like you were sleeping, remember you only need a flashlight when its low light,now aim your flashlight down the hall across the room etc when its dark and see if its too bright. If its too bright it will reflect off the wall behind whoever you are pointing it at and it can blind you as much as the person you are hitting with the light.
I am not a flashlight enthusiast as many here are and I'm not knowledgeable about them, but I've wondered about the strobe feature. I can't see a use for it but maybe I'm missing something. Does the strobe serve a practical purpose or is it pure gadgetry?
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Have someone strobe you once and you’ll understand.
It’s visually debilitating.
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Carry the biggest gun you can, and dress to accommodate it.

Don't be the guy that slips a j frame in the pocket because it's easy. Go G19.
The G19 is a huge service size pistol that has been rendered obsolete for CCW.

A 43x with Shield Arms 15s is less than 1/2 the size. A P365x with MaGuts 14s is even more compact, with a better trigger.

Neither requires dressing around the gun.

Or a 48, P365XL if you want more barrel length.

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Ah, but in the same space and weight, you could be packing a G19. As simple and dependable as the revolver, and 16 > 6 when you're looking death in the eye.
Your space and weight comment is simply false. A loaded G19 is ~29.6oz, depending slightly on ammo choice and it’s longer and taller.

A J frame 38spl Airweight loaded is ~18.2oz, again depending even more slightly on ammo choice. AJ Frame AirLite 38 loaded is ~15oz.

A P365X loaded with 12 is 23.6oz, with 14 is ~25oz and close to J frame size.

A 43X loaded with 10 ~20.6oz, with is 15 is about 25oz and close to J frame size.
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Three EDC tips I'll give are:

Have a gun.

Be skilled in its use.

Most important, know WHEN to use it.
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Old 01-04-2022, 11:48 AM
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My wife got a food scale for Christmas so I weighed my 2 options.

Here are the results. Sig P365XL 12 rounds loaded and my 649 with 5 loaded plus a reload.
Kind of interesting food for thought.
I carry one or the other at different times.



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1. Carry the same gun every day. No “carry rotation.”

2. Carry the biggest gun you can, consistent with your clothing and any other factors.

3. You can almost always carry a bigger gun than you think you can.

4. Pick a carry gun and dress to accommodate it, rather than accommodating the gun to your existing mode of dress.

5. If you carry a semi, make it a 9mm. 40 and 45 have more recoil and less capacity and don’t do anything different to the bad guy than 9mm does. Same rule for revolvers: carry .38 spl.

6. This goes double if you carry a compact. G30 and Shield in .45 are too much. Compact 10mm is ludicrous. .357 in j-frame is way over the top.

7. Cheap holsters flop around, can lose the gun, and can cause bigger problems. Throw Uncle Mike in the trash and get Desantis, Galco, etc. Avoid cheap gunshow kydex and get Neptune or similar.

8. Shoot your carry gun.

9. Whether you shoot it or not, every six weeks, strip, wipe out and oil. Halve this interval if your EDC is a 1911.

10. 1911s need to run wet. Light grease is OK on 1911 rails and locking lugs. Something like Pro-Gold; avoid heavy wheel bearing grease. Before you shoot it, wipe grease out and replace with oil. Or split the difference and use 90 wt synthetic gear oil.

11. Use only OEM magazines on pistols. Exception is Mec-Gar on Hi Power, Berretta.

12. But if you carry 1911, throw away the mag that came with the gun and try Ed Brown, Wilson, Tripp, etc.

14. Test a new or new-to-you EDC gun 500 rounds, along with the EDC magazines. Do it all in one setting, get it good and hot and dusty. Double this if you carry a 1911.

15. Do what the lawmen do: test your EDC magazines, then set them aside for carry. Use range beaters at the range.

16. When practicing, don’t load full mags and just shoot. Grab half a dozen range beaters, load a few rounds. Practice mag changes. Punch ‘em out and let ‘em drop and slam a new one in.

17. The thing on the side of the gun is a slide stop, not a slide release. Reload by reaching overhand and racking the slide. This is a surer method and will work with any gun. Competitors like the slide stop because it saves them a fraction of a second. You want certainty.

18. Play CQB airsoft. This is a humbling experience and will teach you how much you don’t know, and how easy it is to get killed.

19. If you have to think about the gun when you’re shooting, you’re not ready to save your life.

20. If you must carry a revolver, carry three, for New York reloads. Reloading with speed strips or speed loaders is impossible in a short range firefight.

21. Always carry a spare magazine. Two if you’re running single stack.

22. Put a long gun in your car. It’s good for set piece situations like a flat tire on a remote road. But know that in the city, things happen fast; you’ll be fighting with what you have on you.

23. Don’t stick your EDC in center console, glove box, under the seat. If you get separated from your car, you’re out of luck. See 1986 Miami FBI shootout.

24. Sitting in your car: Gun under jacket, seat belt on, it takes forever to get your gun out. If you’re suddenly accosted, game’s over before it starts. Rig a dedicated car gun so you can deploy it in one second.

25. Bullets are bullets. I carry Q4318 NATO. A bullet either hits a vital spot and penetrates, or it doesn’t. Don’t waste money on the expensive stuff. Absolutely avoid the new generation of trick bullets.

26. Small semis like Shield and P365 like warmer ammo to ensure functioning. Three inch 1911s can be finicky, too. Test.

27. Shoulder holsters look badass in movies. On the street they’re bulky, hot and uncomfortable.

28. Inside waistband appendix carry, if something goes wrong, will cost you your gonads. Or your life, if the femoral artery is struck. You’ll have one minute to contemplate your choice of holsters. No one can save you.

29. Don’t put stickers on your car that say “Terrorist Hunting Permit” or “Protected by Smith & Wesson.” This tips people off you’re armed, and is bait for car burglars. Don’t wear hats and t-shirts that say “Second Amendment Citizen” or “Cold Dead Fingers.” Crooks will know you’re armed. And this stuff might not look good if you have to use your gun.

30. Open carry is idiocy on several levels.

31. Always sit facing the door.

32. If you EDC, don’t drink a drop. You want to be able to say your last drink was when Millard Fillmore was president. No pot smoking either.

33. If you carry a G17 and a G19, depending on dress, carry only one type of spare magazine, a G17. This prevents mix-ups.

34. Know your local laws.

35. Know that if you do have to shoot somebody in a public situation, your big worry will be some other EDCer or off duty lawman shooting you, thinking you’re a crook or active shooter.

36. Give much thought to what you’ll do right after you pickle somebody. Cameras are everywhere; if what you say is different from what they see, you might have a problem.

37. Do not be a bit surprised if you hit the bad guy many times with solid chest hits, and he doesn’t even notice. It ain’t like the movies or the keyboard commandos would have you believe.

38. If you’re limited to 10 rounds, the temptation is to make them more “powerful,” like 40 or 45. The fallacy here is that energy is somehow additive, and/or that the heavier rounds do more to the bad guy than 9mm does. On the contrary, everybody shoots 9mm better rapid fire than they shoot the bigger stuff; rapid effective placement is even more important when limited to 10 rounds.

39. You’re in the cell phone store; two thugs come in. One’s carrying a pistol, the other a shotgun. Hit the shotgun man first.

40. When you strip your gun for periodic cleaning, don’t re-use the round that was in the chamber. Cycling it several times can cause bullet setback. Toss it in the range ammo box and start fresh.

41. Keep it stock. People buy a new gun, like a Glock, and immediately install “upgrade” parts. Reliability goes down. Sights would be the exception.

42. The gun that feels best in the hand when you pick it up is not necessarily the one you shoot best in rapid fire. This is counterintuitive but can be true. Shooting rapid fire is the test.

43. Use the proper sight picture and technique for slow fire, to learn how to shoot. When you carry, learn “flash sight” technique.

44. Stay in Cooper’s “condition yellow.” Especially in banks, gas stations, and other places that are targets for hijackers.

Number 37 jumped off the page at me. I had that experience in a 1974 OIS and it’s a real & very sobering!
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I like number 20. If I carry my Detective Special I’m pretty much counting on only 6 rounds. If I think I need two extra 6 rounders then of course I’d carry my M&P. Lucky for me my town only has six people, including me…so sometimes I just carry my j frame.
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Yep. Y'all think the Vibe is a 280 pound 20 year old living in mom's basement, playing video games all day, and eating three day old pizza.

But the Vibe dispenses truths.

#37 is a very real possibility. I had a veteran homicide detective tell me, without irony, that ".45 is a one shot stopper. 9mm? If you don't hit 'em in the eye, it'll just make 'em madder!" He'll look funny when he's pouring 230 grain SXT's into a 140 pound kush-smoker's chest, and the thug doesn't even blink.

And Sipowicz gets it, too. His town only has six people, so he believes a j-frame is minimal. Mine has over six million. I carry 34 rounds when I leave the house.
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45. In movies, cars are cover. In shootouts, cars are death traps. If your car won't get you away from trouble instantly, bail out.
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I'm going to practice, practice, practice every bit of this every day! Certainly there's nothing more important in life, so this machinery and fantasizing about maybe someday using it must, must, must be my raison d'etre. 'Them' or 'they' may attack at any time!

I really try to never, ever stand near people who are this mesmerized by SD gamery.

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I'm going to practice, practice, practice every bit of this every day! Certainly there's nothing more important in life, so this machinery and fantasizing about maybe someday using it must, must, must be my raison d'etre. 'Them' or 'they' may attack at any time!

I really try to never, ever stand near people who are this mesmerized by SD gamery.
Have you ever been to a Street Survival Seminar?
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Not the name brand seminar; the State Police had 'officer survival' trained instructors who grimly reminded us of death and destruction to come with every human contact. It would take months after such sessions to get very new officers to understand that they couldn't treat every contact as a crazed killer.

Incidentally, the original 'Street Survival' book had some staged photos they strongly hinted were real.

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I think the point isn't that an officer should be treating every person as a maniac, but mentally prepare officers of what might happen. An officer who goes through his/ her career never thinking about a life or death situation can be totally overwhelmed if it ever occurs. Of course, one can just role the dice and hope that the odds will be on one's side. Good luck.
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Of course. But there is a midpoint between Pollyanna and 'you're gonna DIE!'. Officer survival training as delivered often goes too far. And yes, I've had state general, firearms, baton, O/C, legal and high-risk police instructor certifications from 1983 through 2012.

I'll give a specific example...an officer I knew had recently attended LEA officer survival instructor training stopped me for 50 in a 55 mph zone (yup - he wasn't aware of traffic laws concerning speed on nonposted rural roads). He stopped his car with good positioning, cut the wheels hard left (to block incoming fire from me), and very slowly approached me on the right, hand on his pistol. I lowered the right window.

He asked for registration, license, and insurance - I handed them to his left hand (he hadn't removed his right from his pistol), discussed the speed issue, and he slowly retreated backward to his car, hand on his weapon. After 5 minutes or so he returned, same as the initial approach, told me to "...just watch my speed," and backed cautiously away, waiting until I left to circle behind his car, open the door with his left hand then got in.

I am bald, well over 60, was wearing a suit and tie, and had just left a teaching gig at the International Law Enforcement Academy.

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After you come home from a long day at work and pull all of your gear off and pile it on the dresser your going to ask yourself why your doing this. That’s ok, just make sure you put all that gear back on the next morning.
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Seven years of EDC, and remember the unnecessary concern at the beginning about my carry choice "printing". The public are generally oblivious to such things, and with the holstered giant cell phones so common, I really could have carried a full-frame unnoticed.
The general public is disappointingly unobservant of their surroundings and the people close by. About the only ones who you have to worry about in some cases are current and former law-enforcement.
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Of course. But there is a midpoint between Pollyanna and 'you're gonna DIE!'. Officer survival training as delivered often goes too far. And yes, I've had state general, firearms, baton, O/C, legal and high-risk police instructor certifications from 1983 through 2012.

I'll give a specific example...an officer I knew had recently attended LEA officer survival instructor training stopped me for 50 in a 55 mph zone (yup - he wasn't aware of traffic laws concerning speed on nonposted rural roads). He stopped his car with good positioning, cut the wheels hard left (to block incoming fire from me), and very slowly approached me on the right, hand on his pistol. I lowered the right window.

He asked registration, license, and insurance - I handed them to his left hand (he hadn't removed his right from his pistol), discussed the speed issue, and he slowly retreated backward to his car, hand on his weapon. After 5 minutes or so he returned, same as the initial approach, told me to "...just watch my speed," and backed cautiously away, waiting until I left to circle behind his car, open the door with his left hand then got in.

I am bald, well over 60, was wearing a suit and tie, and had just left a teaching gig at the International Law Enforcement Academy.
We had a young guy come to Farmington (NM) as his first assignment. He was a great guy and I love him to death and we are still friends but he came from a job with the Department of Energy where he and his boys escorted nuclear material around the country. Those dudes were all “shoot first, no questions please”.

I went to do a knock & talk on a guy who may/may not have molested a kid or two. The idea of a knock and talk is to TALK - the knock part just gets you to the talk part.

My boy showed up to accompany me in a full rig-out: vest, mag carrier, tourniquets, packets of that bleed-stop stuff, a walkie talkie, flashlights (one is none……) and a similarly-burdened M-4. There was a pistol or two there somewhere as well.

I was in my full rig-out: Aloha shirt over a Simpson’s tee, jeans, and a .45 Sig in my waistband. I had my cell phone and a Monster Energy Drink as it was in the am.

I told him I appreciated him being ready to protect the old fella (I really did) but his gear might be at cross-purpose to our goal. He was a big Viking kid who could bench press our car.

I got him to leave the rifle and most of the gear. We did the knock and talk and the guy incriminated himself pretty badly and he probably died in prison later.

Had the guy gotten obstreperous my pal could have just beaten him to death with the toaster.

There is a time and place for everything, but I prefer a cop who can think a lot and shoot a little.
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Reference Calibre Press' Street Survival Books and seminars - don't know about any 'staged' portions of the publications.....

They profiled a deadly force incident I was involved in, complete with photos from an independent photographer who used to submit his work to the newspaper in our city (yes, it was that long ago - newspaper)

It was cutting edge stuff for a time when training for many agencies was minimal, at best.
I've attended a seminar done by them, as well as in-house and out-of-house Officer Survival schools.

I was very appreciative of the education and exposure.
I also credit it with actually helping me make it to the 30-year mark and receive the blessing of retirement.
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I leave mine in my holster hangin' on my belt.
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We had a young guy come to Farmington (NM) as his first assignment. He was a great guy and I love him to death and we are still friends but he came from a job with the Department of Energy where he and his boys escorted nuclear material around the country. Those dudes were all “shoot first, no questions please”.

I went to do a knock & talk on a guy who may/may not have molested a kid or two. The idea of a knock and talk is to TALK - the knock part just gets you to the talk part.

My boy showed up to accompany me in a full rig-out: vest, mag carrier, tourniquets, packets of that bleed-stop stuff, a walkie talkie, flashlights (one is none……) and a similarly-burdened M-4. There was a pistol or two there somewhere as well.

I was in my full rig-out: Aloha shirt over a Simpson’s tee, jeans, and a .45 Sig in my waistband. I had my cell phone and a Monster Energy Drink as it was in the am.

I told him I appreciated him being ready to protect the old fella (I really did) but his gear might be at cross-purpose to our goal. He was a big Viking kid who could bench press our car.

I got him to leave the rifle and most of the gear. We did the knock and talk and the guy incriminated himself pretty badly and he probably died in prison later.

Had the guy gotten obstreperous my pal could have just beaten him to death with the toaster.

There is a time and place for everything, but I prefer a cop who can think a lot and shoot a little.
My first Lieutenant in Gallup. John Toney, had a reverse 'knock and talk.' He was just waking up when a Navajo dude knocked on his trailerhouse door in Gamerco. He slipped on a tshirt, his jeans, and his M19 and opened the door a bit to find out what the guy wanted - he said, "You're the State Police, right?". The Lt said yes, then the guy said, "I just killed my wife a couple of hours ago." Toney looked him over, and then said, "Well, we'd better have some coffee," invited him in, had his wife make coffee and breakfast.

After they ate, Toney told, "Well, let me read you this (Miranda) and then you can tell me whatever you want." He read the guy his warnings, the murderer spilled his story, then off they went to jail.

I'm sure the Street Survival folks would disapprove.

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My first Lieutenant in Gallup. John Toney, had a reverse 'knock and talk.' He was just waking up when a Navajo dude knocked on his trailerhouse door in Gamerco. He slipped on a tshirt, his jeans, and his M19 and opened the door a bit to find out what the guy wanted - he said, "You're the State Police, right?". The Lt said yes, then the guy said, "I just killed my wife a couple of hours ago." Toney looked him over, and then said, "Well, we'd better have some coffee," invited him in, had his wife make coffee and breakfast.

After they ate, Toney told, "Well, let me read you this (Miranda) and then you can tell me whatever you want." He read the guy his warnings, the murderer spilled his story, then off they went to jail.

I'm sure the Street Survival folks would disapprove.
I doubt it, but those officers also have been there and done that. They aren't just working on some book theories. Looks like your lieutenant was armed when he answered the door and handled the situation as it developed. I'm pretty sure that most mentally prepared cops who have been in armed encounters haven't used deadly force in response. Being mentally prepared doesn't mean one shoots first and asks questions later.
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