Everyone should have a trigger pull gauge. Inexpensive.

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With that context, your decision makes a great deal of sense. Other than a little arthritis I have all the faculties I had 40 years ago. I still engage the manual safety on my Shield when holstering, and immediately disengage.it.

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Completely safe. Carried a GLOCK professionally fornthe entirety of my LE career and my Father was one of the first LEOs in FL to carry a GLOCK starting in the early 80s and he still carries one to this day.

The GLOCK pistol has three safeties.

1. The safe action trigger.
2. The semi-cocked striker is not fully cooked. Pulling the trigger does it.
3. The firing pin block.

The striker will not go forward with the firing pin block in the way. That is deactivated when you pull the trigger, which also fully clocks the striker. So even at its normal rest. If the firing pin block was completely removed. The striker doesn't have enough energy at its semi-cocked state to detonate the primer.

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Because people don't care about safeties anymore. It's one more thing to worry about when you pull on a threat. I agree with the no manual safety school of thought. Never did like the idea of a manual safety on a carry pistol. Glock doesn't have a manual safety. But Glocks don't have a street trigger or a hammer either like an HK LEM. No safeties on that model either, just a nice long take up that lets you know you're about to shoot someone and a hammer that you can ride when you holster it, unlike a Glock.

Actually, the HK LEM trigger is the best there is for the street but the unwashed masses won't adopt it because of a deal I found on a used Glock.

If my choices were Glock or a revolver, I stick with a revolver.

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GLOCK has three safeties. They are all simply deactivated with a proper pull of the trigger.

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If I ever want to read about Glocks, I will find a Glock forum.

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I would like to take the suggestion of obtaining a holster that covers the trigger/guard one step further. For me to be comfortable and have confidence in carrying a Glock, I require the pistol to "lock in" to the holster. Unfortunately, this eliminates most holsters made of leather and the ability to pocket carry. With a quality Kydex or similar material holster that actually locks the pistol in, I have no concern about the safety of a Glock (with OEM parts) carried in condition one. Increasing the trigger weight can be helpful, but won't render as safe as a revolver, in my opinion. Carrying in condition three is perfectly safe, but not recommended by most. I would also encourage you to purchase the pistol. If it fits your hand, the G-26 is one of the best options for concealed carry.

I don't own any Glocks, tho I've had probably a dozen over the years. Grip angle like a Luger, no safety ( that thing in the trigger is a joke), and, well I guess I just like a hammer as a visual cue.
We were talking at a local shop a few years back, about how scarey it is to see all these young guys bringing their wives/ girlfriends in to buy their first pistol and they always beeline to the Glock counter. The shop owner would always try to steer them towards some da/sa auto or even a revolver. His feeling was that a Glock is an operator's gun, not a beginner's gun.
And there's a reason they make a "New York" trigger........

I own four Glocks, a 19, 26, 43, and a 42. If you don’t want your Glock to fire don’t pull the trigger. The only purpose of an external safety on a carry gun is to get you killed.

Glocks are just as safe as the person carrying them.

Saw two forty something ladies at the range the other day. They were next to me and my daughter. I was watching them a bit for two reasons. 1. Safety practices (I always check people near me). They were doing great. 2. Their target(s) were only 2-3 yards downrange. In chatting with them, both were new shooters, had taken a couple classes, and both had purchased new firearms - both Glocks. I say good for them and be safe!!

The Michigan State Police, the Midland County Sheriffs, and Midland Police department, all issue Glocks. Since all the LEOs in my jurisdiction carry Glocks, I guess they are safe.
I'm a big Glock fan. I shoot them extremely well, and that is what counts.

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I own a Glock SF 30 45 caliber Glock and when I think I need the extra firepower I carry it. I just wanted to say there are videos on the internet
of Glocks being "Drop Tested". I have not tested them myself, but I am
told that Glocks will not fire unless the trigger is pulled.

I do however own a polyester holster for it that completely covers the
entire Glock and has a flap to open before drawing it. I have not carried it lately instead carrying my Smith & Wesson 357 Magnum six shot revolver.

People have been carrying 1911's for over 100 years with external safeties. Seems to have worked so far.

I respect Glocks, have shot a few, don't like the way they fit in my hand. And, full disclosure, I am in the camp that likes an external manual safety on a striker fired gun. I even like it on my hammer fired Bodyguard.

To the OP, if you're still following your post. I would never select my carry gun based on getting a good deal on it. It's a tool you might someday have to use to save your life. Carry the one that best fits your needs, and that you trust. Not the one you got the best deal on. Just my perspective.

Best wishes, and good luck with your decision.

Keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until you are actually ready to shoot. That is your biggest safety.

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Don't forget about his other brother Daryl.

OP here. My current EDC is a J frame. I've been interested in something that provides more firepower in a small package - in certain situations. Kind of been thinking of a hi-cap 380, then this came along.
I fish at night alone not far from a big city. Have had encounters with shady people. I travel and camp alone off the beaten path. There are times I would like to have more firepower than a J frame offers. I'm leaning towards grabbing this. I feel confident I could use it properly.

There is a YT video floating around about first time buyers returning their Glocks and wanting to trade for something else with a manual safety. Evidently it's very common.

The US military trains a lot of new pistol shooters and they required a manual safety on the M9 replacement for the regular troop. I know some military units use Glocks and the M11-A1 has no manual safety. The M9 has a manual safety.

I wouldn't recommend a Glock to a novice shooter but that's just me.

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Haven't carried a Glock since I retired 8 years ago. Carried a 23 concealed with owb paddle holster that covered trigger.

Only thing I didn't like was having to pull trigger before field stripping (removing slide). For someone who doesn't clear the pistol properly before cleaning this could cause an accidental discharge. I believe the military specs for the new pistol trials required a pistol that could be field stripped without pulling trigger. Do current Glock models still function like that? I don't own one.

Sir,

Current production Glocks do require that the trigger be pulled to release the striker before the barrel and slide can be removed.

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A Glock only needs one point of contact in order to fire.{two part Trigger} A 1911 , with the manual safety off needs two points of contact to fire, with the two different points of contact being on different parts of the gun {grip safety and trigger} So , is the 1911 considered safe to carry with the manual safety snicked off, but loaded chamber? {Two points of contact left necessary to fire}

A SA/DA also has one point of contact needed to fire. It however has a long first shot pull with non- assist, also is a heavier pull. And when de-cocked for carry, it sits at a de-cocked position.

If you compare to a Revolver, cocked into single action. One point of contact {trigger} in order to fire. It however is already all the way back and needs not have the hammer cocked farther , in order to fire. So in DA it is safe to carry {long Trigger pull} But in single action, it is very unsafe to just holster. {it's the same with a SA/DA if not de-cocked after firing} At least the Glock has to do a slight bit of cocking to get to the point of firing, so the Glock is slightly safer than a Revolver cocked and in single action mode .

The DAK or DAO triggers are even safer yet, because at no time is it ever in a single action mode. After each shot fired it has already automatically de-cocked itself.

The Glock ticks all the boxes of things I don't want. {plastic, striker fired, short pull semi-cocked, and that silly one point of contact trigger} It is however light to carry, but that makes it not as user friendly for larger calibers, where a little more weight stabilizes the recoil. {so agency's etc opt for 9 as their caliber of choice which reduces recoil effects over 40 or 357 Sig or 45 ACP} The lighter weight has a cost in mitigation of recoil.

The stock Glock trigger is a bit light for my preferences, so the NY trigger spring was my solution as recommended by Mas Ayoob … Range Report: Glock New York Trigger - Gun Digest

I don’t like manual safeties on any handgun whether it be revolver or autoloader, and they don’t do anything to mitigate unintentional discharges once disengaged. The SCD/striker-control device mainly only applies to re-holstering, but the heavier NY trigger offers an additional measure of safety in all circumstances without negatively affecting my ability to reliably respond quickly, just like it does in a revolver.

All of this back and forth accomplishes nothing . Glock fans are not going to change their minds based on comments from the haters . Carry whatever you are comfortable with , and BE CAREFUL .

i guess no one want to modify a Glock to invent a safety lever? what say you, gun smiths ?

What an absolutely perfect way to describe Glocks! Thanks for sharing that observation with us!

I think Holiday Inn gives the guy who carries a Glock a discount.

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It's already been done with the Cominolli system and I believe a few others. I prefer them without a manual safety as Glock designed them, but there are options out there. I used to use the NY1 trigger springs, but as I grew more comfortable with Glocks, I leave them stock. But then I don't carry a Glock or any other firearm appendix carry, but plenty of people do.

Well you seem to be reading this long thread

Glock already engineered a manual safety for their inclusion into the M9 replacement trials.

Unlike HK, who engineered a very nice 45 ACP pistol for the first aborted replacement and made it available to the public (HK45), Glock didn't make their 9mm manual safety (military compliant) available to the civilian market.

Glocks are Glocks and the difference is no manual safety.... ever. It's a marketing thing. Notice that S&W or Sig don't play those games.

If you can put a man on the moon...never mind.

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I bought and sold three Glock pistols before I warmed up to them. I now carry one daily.

You’ll never know until you try. So buy it. In general, Glock pistols don’t depreciate much. If you don’t like and sell it, just think of it as gun you rented for a while.

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Timely discussion for me. I'm used to tossing my 642 in my pocket in a remora holster with no qualms because of the 10lb trigger pull. Just bought a P365XL w/o safety, and am nervous about carrying it without rigid holster. Thinking about a Tulster OATH IWB???

The “classic” Sigs, the big boxy ones with the sheet metal slides, did not have external safetys as I recall. Only decocking levers

Too many chicken littles out there. sa revolvers & derringers with out trigger guards, Mexican carry, da revolvers in pockets with out holster, Glocks are all unsafe. Safties will get you killed, no rounds in the chamber, no humor, no fun, THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING.
If it makes you uncomfortable dont do it, other wise rock on.

Glocks and other similar pistols are carried by hundreds of thousands around the globe. They are not inherently unsafe but require holsters and gun handling tuned to their type.

If you are not quite comfortable with this get yourself something else you have more confidence with.

Don't let a "good price" push you into something you are not confident about.

Correct, P series don't have safeties. I've owned 220, 229, and 239. That's why I like the design for carry, no safety and a hammer. Personally I think auto design hit it's peak with the P series. Hard to improve on that. I'll buy any 9mm or 45 ACP P series Sig if the price is right. Unfortunately they have been increasing in price since Sig decided to concentrate on the striker market and abandoned most of the P series models. I'm always looking for those.

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If the following as been posted before, forgive me.
Remember that NO firearm is totally safe, if they were they would not serve their intended use.

Now what makes Any firearm safe is the proper usage by the person who is using it at that second.

I am not a striker fired pistol fan by any means, so I tend to stay away from them. But I understand that is me who may be unsafe not the firearm. If I were ever to own a striker fired firearm I would be willing to learn how to safely carry and use one.

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There isn't a gun made that's safe. It's a GUN, isn't it? The only safety worth a damn with a gun is between your ears.

Learn to handle it, recognize its idiosyncrasies, and allow for them. Then be in control and be safe.

John

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That's a training issue

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Do you know why Larry had two brothers named Daryl?

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Correct! The only accidental discharge I witnessed with a Glock was from an older officer who came off the qualification firing line to the cleaning area. A live round was still in the chamber. He took out the empty magazine but didn't check to see that the pistol was clear and pulled the trigger to begin cleaning. Fortunately the pistol was pointed down and into a bucket of sand when when it discharged. No injuries thank goodness.

Saw it today and fell in love.
The trigger felt fine.
Now I just got to wait for the stupid Illinois saxafraxin', waxin' 3 day waiting period to be up.

I had a professor in college who used to say he never met a gun he didn't like. That's how I feel about this Glock. And we need more teachers like him.

Max,

With my Gen 5 Glocks (including my 26), I do 3 functional upgrades:
1) I install an extended slide release,
2) I install a set of Talon (rubber texture) grips, and
3) I replace the plastic Glock sights. My 26, 42, and my inbound 30 wear TruGlow fiber optic sights.

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I believe that about every Negligent discharge, and that’s what they are, has been caused by the operator doing something unsafe or negligent.
I know of none caused by a broken part, but maybe that’s happened.
This applies to ALL guns.
Some guns are less forgiving of negligence, but most all require it for a discharge.
Buy the gun you want and train up on it. Thoroughly. If you find that it requires more training than you’d like to invest to be safe with it I’d be willing to bet you’re not going to be totally safe with any gun.
It’s a total commitment

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There have been some good points made above. I'll add some additional information.

First off, Glock is solely responsible for the accurate labels of negligent/unintentional firearm discharge. Accidental discharge has been limited to an incident caused by a mechanical defect in the firearm. This was driven by the liability insurance carriers for law enforcement. As an example, by about 2005, DC Metro police averaged one (now) negligent discharge a month for 14 years. It's safe to say that Glock-and under trained users-lead the universe in negligent discharges.

I just tried looking in my LE Instructors books to see when keeping your trigger digit off the trigger until you'd made the decision to shoot and were in the very act of intentionally doing so* was added to the basic safety rules and can't find anything definitive, but figure it's about 1990 or so. No, that isn't gonna get you killed.

I'll join the guys who suggest that if you're going to tote a Glock you need to do several things:
Replace the plastic front sight with steel.

Get a holster that covers the trigger guard and don't ever pocket carry without one. Put the gun in the holster, then both in the pocket.

Do the NY-1 trigger (about 8 lb) conversion.

TRAIN UNTIL KEEPING YOUR FINGER OUT OF THE TRIGGER GUARD UNLESS INTENTIONALLY FIRING A SHOT IS HABIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is a slide endplate made that has a button that can be depressed to block the striker while holstering. Might be worth consideration.

* Square range version is "off target, off trigger".

I carried a 1911 of some configuration cocked and locked for probably 25 of my more than 36 years in LE. I had several folks point out the fact that the hammer was cocked and several said, "Isn't that dangerous" I said, " yes it is, it is supposed to be". They are all dangerous if you don't know the proper manual of operation. Glocks and most of the striker fired genre are pretty much the same mode of operation with the trigger dingus. keep your finger away from the trigger when not intending to fire, never carry it without a proper fitting holster and be extremely cautious when reholstering to make sure nothing interferes with the trigger mechanism. If you do all those things, you are good to go.

I haven't read any of the other posts, but I'll keep it simple.
You seem hesitant. If that's the case, pass on it. Given the reasons you mention, I don't think you want to decide "after" you buy it that you aren't comfortable carrying it or don't trust it.
Glocks are a dime a dozen, so if you decide down the road, after trying one out at your local range that is, there will still be a ton of them out there.

Glocks don't have EXTERNAL safeties but they are safe nonetheless. Glock design makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the striker to contact the primer unless a human finger is pulling the trigger. When partially cocked, the striker still resides over a frame ledge that will not allow the cruciform to drop. Unless the trigger is deliberately pulled, the striker CANNOT accidentally release - though I am sure know-nothings with attempt to disagree.
IF a Glock shoots you in the leg, it was YOUR FINGER than caused it, not any design defect of the gun.
The BEST way for professionals to carry a Glock is in a holster that blocks trigger access and HOPEFULLY the person doesn't draw the pistol using the TRIGGER!

Firearms are simply tools. Unless you have been or are a “ mechanic” of some trade and use hand and power tools you might not be able to relate. Have seen far more “ accidents” with hand and power tools than with any firearm. It’ s the USER, not the tool that causes any “ accident”.
Training and Learning to Apply training is the KEY!
Sadly most LEO’s for the past many years are not “ Gun People”, they only carry because they have to. I fondly remember all LEO’s I knew 40-50 years ago many were shooting/ gun show buddies and yes even ATF agents. Like much of todays society the old ways of being raised around firearms, being taught by father, uncles and grand fathers is a thing of the past. Service in Armed forces is not required either or as in the Navy firearm training is brief and only in basic. Learned this from grandson who knew more about firearms and safety than his instructors.
Tried a glock when they first “ came out” and didn’t like the way it pointed or trigger due to being a 1911 , Hi Power or revolver guy. Thats just me and many of my “ gun buddies” today love and carry glocks.
“Each to his Own” is an old saying that guess applies here.

I added emphasis above. That's obviously not true as any object that manages to enter the trigger guard and press the trigger to the rear while depressing the "safety" will fire the gun. There are documented cases of that.

That said, the majority of cases where guns went off when they shouldn't are due to folks having their trigger digit where it wasn't supposed to be. There are phyisological reasons for some that. These include startle response and sympathetic muscle action.

We’ve all experienced startle response, you hear a loud noise or see an unexpected motion and your muscles tense and you may jump. Sympathetic muscle action is simple, if you tense the muscles of one hand, the muscles of your other hand will also tense, or tense further. In either case, if your finger is on the trigger, you may well hear the loud noise of a negligent discharge.

There's also another factor to consider, it's called trigger verification reflex. Research has shown us that under stress, even highly trained and experienced people will put their finger on the trigger, sometimes with surprising force, when they shouldn't. It's thought that, at a deep level under stress, the brain wants to make sure your finger can find that trigger.

The key here is to train, train, train to keep that trigger finger away from the trigger unless you're intentionally firing a shot. The fact that it's very difficult to do that even with a lot a training suggests that short travel, light weight triggers aren't a good idea in a defensive firearm.

If I ever knew, I forgot it long ago. Please enlighten us.